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Why hasnt the real film, Nanjing been made?


This was the most horrific incident in the history of modern warfare. Its barbarity was probably worse then any time in recorded human history.

Why hasnt there been a film about this?

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Same reason a Hiroshima film hasnt been made.

It would be a film contested as anti-Japanese propaganda, and it was an incident of great suffering. I dont think anyone in China would want to show that part of their history, and I know the Japanese wouldnt want to be portrayed as blood thirsty savages.

What was unique in that whole incident , was how Prince Asaka (Hirohito's uncle) somehow got let off the hook for the worst war crimes in recorded history.

I know Hirohito also avoided any kind of justice as did the doctors/scientist/torturers of Unit 731 (Biological Research). McArthur needed the Emporer to support the transition of the Constitution and wanted an ally against Communist Russia (which was very close to Japan)

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From what I read, the critical order on December 5, 1937 was "Kill all Captives"
Prince Asaka gave that order, and Chinese generals wouldnt defend the capital.

The German advisors agreed, and Chiang-kai Chiek abandoned it, but still declared it defended. Gen. Tang was instructed to fight to the death. - then, Chang Kai chiek took the trucks, removed the Communications and made it impossible for Tang to defend it. - Entire Chinese Airforce left - Tang couldnt communicate. Tens of Thousands of Citizens departed, and refugees from the outlying countries came in..



"It was impossible for a newly defeated army
to hold an isolated city. Nanking would surely fall"
-Chinese General LiTsung-hen

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Yes. Thats true. Apparently, they were crowded into a Safety zone. One German Advisor (John Rabe? representing Siemens) stayed with an international group, about 200,000 were crowded into a safe zone - The Nazi flag was sort of a symbol of protection, since they were Japan's allie.

so 500 bombs were dropped on civilian targets...Dec 10th, thats when the Chinese losses crumbled.

Dec 11th, Japan reached the protective walls. Gen. Tang was ordered to retreat by kai-chiang Sheck

If I did a movie on it - I would focus on the battle, and loss - I would focus on this aspect. The capitulation of it led to an abandoned city. Dec. 12th, and the officers slipping away.

So, the mass desertion was seen as cowardice by the Japanese, who were angry they had to keep them as P.O.W. - they shot into refugees, were surrounded by machine guns - about 30,000 made it. They were ultimately slaughtered.

A Tokyo Asahi Shimbun reporter saide "Machine guns killed mostly women, children and the elderly.

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I thought this was a well made documentary film on Nanking:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0893356/

I do not think it got much of a release in the US, but hopefully it will be released on DVD and make its way onto cable and public TV soon.

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>>>I dont think anyone in China would want to show that part of their history

I actually don't think that's true. In fact I think the Chinese want the world to know what they went through in the late 1930s at the hands of the Japanese. It's the same reason why the book The Rape of Nanking was so well received - the Chinese don't want this to be forgotten, especially when so many of them remember it and are bitter about it to this day.

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Wow, good point. But, still... it is history and should be told.

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they only mentioned a little of that in the beginning of the movie. they should put in more.

f* the japs anyway.

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"f* the japs anyway. "

Are you Chinese/Korean/American?


"And if he didn't, who did? And where the hell was I?"

Jenners!

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Films about Nanjing has been made several times. I remember one with Chingmy Yau specifically.

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Men Behind the Sun 4 - Black Sun The Nanking Massacre

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And several (several dozen) more.

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Yes, there have been endless films made about and around the holocaust and people don't seem too sensitive to the German's feelings...why be so concerned about the Japanese?

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Thanks for an eloquently written response!

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The reasons are very clear. No apology, no payment from the Japanese who are responsible for the atrocities. Germany, apology $60 billion to the victims. Japan $0, with no apologies.

The same five families who brought us all the Pacific War, own Sony, and control the US Press and Media.

The US government doesn't control Freedom of Speech in the US, Japanese business does! You tell me who won the war?

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Really you can't figure out why there are a lot of American films about the Holocaust but none about the Rape of Nanjing/Nanking?

How about looking at the ratio of Jewish Producers/Directors/Actors/Writers in Hollywood and compare that to Chinese ones. I think it would be like 1,000 to 1.

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Were there two seperate places, Nanjing and Nanking? Just wondered, really don't know.

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Same place, just w/ different spellings.

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Hi, I am a Chinese and I also are extremely upset by Nanjing massacre. However, I'd like to point out this kind of human cruelty happens time and again in human history. Look at Rwanda genocide, which is made well known in the movie 'Hotel Rwanda.' The genocide was actually sponsored by the government officials and some police officials. As many as 50,000 people in one ethnic group were killed by another ethnic group in 100 days, including children and women.

Also, in the Warring States Period, it is said massive elimination of population also happened very frequently. (I got this from a textbook of Asian Philosophies.)

So to be objective huamn cruelty happens time and again and never seem to stop. Our suffering is just one of them.

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What happened in Nanjing was certainly barberic, but I don't know if I would call it the most barberic episode in modern warfare. The last hundred years have seen many contenders for that title. The Turks treatment of the Armeanians after WW1, the Nazis treatment of the Jews, and Rwanda in the 1990's being just 3 examples.

There was a very good documentary about the rape of Nanjing last year, but I forget the name.

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You have a point; it all depends on how you want to define "the most barbaric episode." The Nazis and the Japanese both have pretty awful instances of brutality attributed to them, we're just more familiar with the Nazis.

If the Nanking massacre wasn't the MOST barbaric episode of cruelty and violence in history, it was certainly one of them. Most of the killing and mass rapes took place over the course of about 2 weeks. It's hard to even imagine the logistics of killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in that kind of time frame, even when compared to the Nazi death camps. The massacre was engineered for years beforehand, starting when the soldiers were still children and could be easily indoctrinated with racial hatred. We're talking about orchestrated, systematic, torture and destruction aimed particularly at women and children that outshines even the mindless violence in Africa.

I suspect continued indifference to the atrocity was what led Iris Chang to blow her brains out. The kinds of first hand accounts of the rapes and murders she gathered made it pretty hard to live in a world that just doesn't care. The Rape of Nanking and Thread of the Silkworm should both be required reading for every high school student in the country.

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"If the Nanking massacre wasn't the MOST barbaric episode of cruelty and violence in history"

Of course not, there were plenty of worse. (Heck, even in the Chinese own history.)

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"The Turks treatment of the Armeanians after WW1"

What? Yeah, tell me about this, Mr. "Expert".

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"As many as 50,000 people in one ethnic group were killed by another ethnic group in 100 days, including children and women. "

As many as 500,000 (or more like 800,000).

Also Hotel Rwanda sucks and is overrated.

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Watch T.F. Mous' 1995 "Black Sun: The Nanjing Massacre". Its an extremelty disturbing and powerful film about the Japanese atrocities in Nanjing.

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I am an English teacher in China myself right now, have been living and working in the countryside in Gansu, Shaanxi and Jiangxi Provinces for 4 years now. There have been MANY movies re Nanjing made over the years, and in China each year I don't believe there are less than 10 released about the story in some form each year! They most certainly want history to be heard. What you do NOT want to do, however, is to get into any debates with the Chinese about the event. Yes, they are pretty bloodthirsty and nationalistic to this day, and at least once every term I hear something along the lines of 'we hate the Japanese', 'kill the Japanese' etc etc.

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No Nanjing.

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