Alright conservatives, you just aren't funny. Your just not a creative kind of people. That's ok. Don't try to be something your not. Stick to racist jokes in the protective cover of those who think like you. If Jon Stewart is such a nobody, on a nothing network, why do you feel the need to try to play his game? Stick to what your good at... whatever that is.
shareNot all conservatives are racists.
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I am a meat eating, beer drinking, ass kicking liberal. If you saw me in a bar, you would not mess with me. My point? I know a lot of conservatives. They think because I do some of the same things they do, hunt, fish, listen to country music, that I am one of them. No, not ALL conservatives are racists. Just most. You tell your racist jokes to each other, and you laugh your ass off. The worst part is your laughing not because it's funny, but because you agree on some level. I am a spy. I sit among you, and you assume I agree, but I do not. I know who you are.
shareIf only you libs would give as much thought and effort into fighting terrorism as you do in your racial witch hunts then you'd actually be somewhat appealing!
Terms and their Liberal Defenitions...
Racist - Someone not falling directly behind and supporting Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or the NAACP.
Sexist - Someone that believes that a woman is entitled to stay at home if she wants to.
Homophobe - Someone who believes homosexuality is a wrong and destructive, much like drug addiction or alcoholism... Even if that belief is based on religion and they distinguish they're contempt of the behavior from the person.
Bigot - A Conservative winning an argument with a liberal.
Islamaphobe - People who do not see Islam as the same MORAL RELATIVISM as other world religions.
You see liberals, your game here is to silence or discredit an opposing point of view by labeling them something they are not. You may percieve someone to be racist cause they don't believe Affirmitive Action is the correct way to help minorities compete in a Capotalist society. On the other hand someone might percieve a black comic who makes a "cracka" joke to be a racist. Your game is flawed however, as those of us who are mature enough to see through your "labeling game" and "drive-by character assasinations" are intelligent enough to form our own opinions. So from one percieved racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted, Islamaphobic Conservative to all of you narrowminded liberals who would like to SILENCE opposing views by any means necesarry, be a little more...... what's the word Im looking for..... TOLERANT!!!
You said it man.
shareagain, you don't tell racist jokes, or have friends who tell racist jokes?
shareNope and neither has Chris Rock... Like I've said before, if only you cared as much about finding and prosecuting terrorist as you do racist the world would be a better place!
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You really think negotiating with people who will kill THEMSELVES to kill you is gonna fix the problem? My Lord, you are more warped than I thought. History time and time again has shown us that negotiating with terrorists only brings MORE TERRORISM! Giving into them in the slightest way only gives them inituitive to kidnap, kill, or destroy again... When your kid kicks and screams in the grocery store for that "special" serial do you cave in and give it to him. If you want to send him the message that all he has to do is make you miserable to get what he wants, then sure you do.
No the only thing that a Terrorist understands is the sharp end of a sword, and so that is how you must confront them. Bush is right when he says, "the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist." However, that's humane enough for you. In fact you probably fall under the "Peace at any cost" message from the Jimmy Carter administration... Who by the way, trumps Bush as the worst President of all time by a landslide! You run around with the "war never solved anything" campaign. Well if you omit slavery, nazism, and communism then I guess you'd be right, War hasn't ever solved anything. The sad reality is war is a necissary evil, but that's just too hard of a pill for you to swallow.
Yes war is undoubtly going to cause civilian and military casualties, which the world media and many liberals will harp all over. Nobody wants it to happen, but it does and that is why we have the understanding that "Freedom isn't Free." That is why the military is held in such high regard among Conservatives because we know that brave men and women have died so that pesky little University kids can have the right to pee all over them.
The War on Terrorism is not a smokescreen created by Conservatives no matter how hard and fast the "Conspiracy Juices" are running within you. The truth is the War on Terrorism is a real war that has real consequences and could bring real changes to everyone's way of life. Quite simply, you could wake up one morning and "puff"... no more New York! Oh but that's right, that wouldn't be such a bad thing would it Vympel, after all we're the horrible USA that does so many horrible things to sooo many people.
I guess that's why after WWII when the entire world was War Torn and recovering there was only one Nation still standing with no Infrastructure Damage and that was the US. I guess since we were so bad and horrible we should have conquered our enemies. Japan, Italy, and Germany should all be American Territories if we are the horrible imposers that we are. When in reality all three of these countries are still around and still functioning normally. Did Rome do that when it Conquered territories, did Germany do that when it was on a genocidal campaign to whipe out Jews. No, America is the only Nation that has ever had the opportunity and not taken it. So I guess that debunks your whole, "America is a wrongdoer theory."
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And we have you're word to go on that, which obviously doesn't account for much as nothing else you seem to say on here is true. Just and interwined mess of theories, compiracies, assurtions, and flat out lies. No War on Terror... Why I even both with this one I don't know here folks? He obviously is WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY out of touch. Lets just see what he's said so far!
1.) There is NO WAR ON TERROR
2.) It is better to NEGOTIATE with TERRORISTS
3.) He doesn't blame TERRORISTS for carrying out the attacks on 9/11
4.) Oh, and all Conservatives are racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, thisist, and thatist...
5.) You've also said that you aren't a US citizen and "know more about war than I ever will." Well Im no mathmatician but, Im pretty sure that means you know more about LOOSING wars than I ever will!
Yeah this guy is mainstream all the way!
You are correct sir.
shareAmen brother!
shareTerms and their Liberal Defenitions...
Racist - Blow off evacuating or helping a wrecked city who's population is densley black to the best of our ability. If New Orleans were 80% white, I wonder if it would still be in shambles? Well we gave them those weird debit cards, ain't that enough?
Sexist - Don't ever try to abort anything, rape-babies or otherwise. You do as we say with your body and love the kitchen space we give you for it. Make me a sandwhich.
Homophobe - You're not allowed to get married, serve your country (without keeping your mouth or your legs shut about it) or have any other "normal people" rights, because after all, you're not normal people, you have a chemical imbalance. It's science. Oh, but please make sure you pay your taxes like normal people. Everyone can have hope!
Bigot - No conservative has ever acted like this. Segregation anyone? I'd say we could clone strom thurmond, but that's way out....
Islamaphobe - Couldn't possibly be someone who invades a random country that is populated by muslims, whilst screaming "GOD BLESS AMERICA" and forcing people who don't understand democracy into a democracy in the name of freedom. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Islam. We could do that to anyone, we just don't want to.
As for tolerance? Got plenty of that. What I don't tolerate are my friends and family being sent into harm's way to settle a personal grudge. I don't tolerate getting attacked and then hypocritically wasting a bunch of civilians in another country (collateral damage: it's okay for us to do). And I certainly don't tolerate being lied to in the process of achieving all that. I also don't tolerate someone touting "We're doing it for freedom, for justice and if you disagree, you're helping the terrorist!" You know what aids a terrorist? GIVING THEM A CAUSE. Give them a reason to explode themselves and kill a bunch of innoccent people in the process, and nine out of ten times, they're gonna do it. Well, maybe it's eight out of ten.
Oh and fighting terrorism is something you guys might want to try too, considering the "WAR ON TERROR" and all. The guys we WERE looking for were in AFGHANISTAN before. Might be a good place to start looking for them.
Your definition of a homophobe was spot on bud. Everything you just described was entirely homophobic... well done.
As far as moral relativism... what's wrong with that? I'm a moral relativist. I stay the hell out of everyone's way. Personally, as an atheist... I find the very act of faith, and the concept of God to be completely absurd. I feel that the entire institution of religion is immoral and myopic. I think the world would be better if everyone would wake up from their fantasy and realize that there's no purpose to life but the one we give it. That's how I live my life.
But I would never, not for one second, try to force you or anyone else to live like that. You want to put on a tie and sing to the ceiling on Sunday? Go for it. We're in America... that's your right brother... I would never in a million years seek to deny you your personal freedoms, just because I found it immoral or wrong.
You guys are convinced that you've got it right... and so from that soapbox you dictate how people should or shouldn't live their lives.
Well you dont get to do that. Someone can be gay if they want. They should be able to marry and adopt a kid and be just as free as you or I. Any attempt to deny that freedom is patently unamerican. Of course... it's also patently Christian... so it looks like you guys have one hell of a decision to make.
All train compartments, smell vaguely of $hit.
Thank you so much for your very 'tolerant' definitions.
sharefatman you sound like a legend!
'ERE I AM J.H
It's nice to see you guys know everything. (or at least think you do)
shareIt is completely true, Conservitives are not all racist, sexist and homophobic. It is just that the people they choose to represent them are.
Say what you want about America 13 dollars still buys you a hell of a lot of mice
True that
shareoh cmon. your a conservative and you don't have any friends that tell racist jokes? none?
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No such thing as creative conservatives....uhh how about Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Ass kicking liberal is the biggest oxymoron I've heard since the Toronto Sky Dome. I guess you could be defending the ACLU and NAMBLA which advocates older men sodomizing young children. How about supporting unions which are crippling the two biggest automakers in the U.S.? Higher taxes, you wanna pay 50% if you make 6 figures there, tough guy? Wait a minute you're a hunter....how about those gun control laws? Haha and what beer do you drink exactly, michelob ultra? Most of the people on this site aren't old enough to get into a bar, so the fact you brought it up means you're prob one of those fat guys who thinks hes tough and wants to intimidate a bunch of 8th graders. Fact is, if you support those things, you want the government to control more aspects of your life, which means you can't take as much responsibility as most people do, which makes you ultimately a wuss. Haha so go back to your shmirnoff ices so you can punch you and your liberal friends out, oh ya, und doozle doozle.
shareCons, do you REALLY want to let this lunatic speak for you? His post smells of faux leather and potpourri cologne.
If so, say nothing to him outside the realm of "lol ur right about something" comments.
"What kind of idiot tries to make a point by referencing someone's sig?"share
Haha soo.....you can't really come up with any ideas you just toss out names. I guess that proves you fit the liberal mold. Listen, jackass, go read chomsky or something so you can at least try to act intellectual. You've probably never even been here to D.C. I'd love to tell you where I'm from, what I've done, but you'd probably just toss more insults cause you'd fall painfully short of anything noticeably worthwhile and in fact you've probably got some insignificant degree in english from southwest missouri st. community college, at best. Haha and by the way, anyone who knows how to spell "potpourri" correctly and references "faux" leather knows way to much about it in the first place, so to be politically correct, which is what you libs love, you've got ultra liberal douche written all over you.
shareHmm... let me use your routine for a bit:
Conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative conservative.
Forgive me if I don't talk to you as I would William F. Buckley. But like him and all "liberals" (using the modern definition, of course), I'm basically just amused by your tantrums, and thankful that other than being the Republican party's 'useful idiots' who they pander to when they need the wingnut vote, you have no real power outside the internet... or the editorial pages, really.
"What kind of idiot tries to make a point by referencing someone's sig?"share
Guess who speaks for me... That's right, me! However Im willing to hear what this guy, you, and even ol' Vympel the Dimple has to say. A concept you must not seem to subscribe to. It's liberals who let people speak for them, and refuse to condemn Anti-American, Racist, and Intollerant remarks from their side of the isle. They are the one's who indoctrinate from children's programing, through grade school, and into University's where "Sharing of Ideas" is suppose to be the theme. However, we all know that's not the case. It's more along the lines of "shut up, agree with me, or I'll insult and flunk you."
By the way Vympel, I was wondering how long it would take you to resort to pointing out gramatical errors on my point. Only more than 20 posts... Guess you've run out of insults and have to resort to even more childish games to get the attention off of your inability to debate rationally. You say that I don't know how to debate but it seems I've verbally wiped the floor with you without having to come down to your level of insulting, swearing, and temper tantrums. You seem to think you have it all figured out and that you're actually quite funny. Sad reality is you're far from it... Liberals are more scared of your kind than Conservatives are. You give them a bad name! Oh, and when you do say something like "we should negotiate with Terrorists," or "I don't blame them for thinking 9/11 was justified." Folks like me will always be there to make sure those statements are magnified so that people will realize you really are an extremist that holds no credibility in the realm of open debate.
The type of debate you excell at is closed debate, where you're opinions are the only ones that are heard. I mean, Im pretty sure a 10 year old could make you look out of touch with reality. Of course, you don't need any help. You just need someone to push you a little bit till you just can't hold back the rage any longer. Then the hateful comments spill out of you like an exploding volcano. Don't listen to me though, I mean keep thinking you're the grand master of debate. It would just make my day if you continued to shout these absurd ideas out for all the world to hear. Don't worry though, we won't silence you. Keep practicing your skills and maybe one day you'll be good enough to hold your own in a debate with us grown-ups!
Hm... So far you seem to be just repeating 3 points over and over. "Liberals = racist", "you approve of 9/11" and "you dont like my off-the-wall opinions because I disagree with you". Is that really all, or are you going to drop the stereotype act for a bit?
"What kind of idiot tries to make a point by referencing someone's sig?"share
No such thing as creative conservatives....uhh how about Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
I guess you could be defending the ACLU and NAMBLA which advocates older men sodomizing young children.
How about supporting unions which are crippling the two biggest automakers in the U.S.?
Higher taxes, you wanna pay 50% if you make 6 figures there, tough guy?
Libertarianism is a type of conservativism. Even if you wanna dispute that, whatever, any time those two make a political statement, its never liberal so...I'll chalk them up on our side.
Japan, crippling our auto industry? Haha are you serious? They've been HELPING the U.S. auto industry by keeping their car prices artificially high! They could have put us out of business years ago, they only reason they didn't bury us is because they know competition is good in the market place. Check our airlines, they're doing awful (except southwest) cause they have to put up with fat union contracts. Its all in the black in whites.
Well, guess where those figures came from, Tax Cuts! Tax cuts that GW has given out! I worked in a warehouse between semesters for a summer and was on track to make 18,000 a year, or 9 bucks an hour 40 hours a week. I got taxed at 25%, if you make 6 figures, you'll get taxed in the 30's at least, but what you left out is thats not including state taxes. Go ask your friendly democratically controlled congress, they want taxes higher anyway. I'm more than happy to pay for military expenditures and our interstate system, but when dems want that money to go towards extended welfare projects, subsidies, and social systems is where I cut the line.
Michelob ultra-the guy said he drank beer, so I tossed that out there
Fat guy-his name is fat guy 1
8th graders-most people who use this site are in their early teens, which makes me kinda embarrased to be arguing on here frankly
Smirnoff Ice-Reference to the beginning of Beerfest, great movie
All in all, you sound pretty moderate, sounds like wake forest is doing a good job with their grads.
P.S. I will admit that the show this post is originally about used canned laughter and it was one of the most annoying things I've ever heard.
shareWell Libertarianism is basically in simplest terms having as little government as possible, so they are conservative on things like gun control and taxation, but liberal on things like gay marriage and abortion, basically conservative on fiscal issues and liberal on most social issues. I don't agree with everything Stone and Parker believe in, but I was just saying that they are hilarious nonetheless.
What I meant by Japan crippling the US auto industry was that they will soon take over the worlds market share because most their cars are cheap, reliable, and affordable. The way they gained this market share was by "dumping" their products, meaning they charged overly high prices domestically, while charging ridiculously low prices over seas to rapidly gain market share and make up for losses by putting other firms out of business. Whether this was unethical or just smart business is subjective. But unions vigorously protested Japanese dumping and urged congress to pass bills limiting Japanese autos in America, which they did through the 80's and early 90's. It was too late however, as Japan had already grabbed a significant portion of the market. Unions are the lifeblood of the working class though, and is really all the separates us from horrible working conditions and wages of other countries, despite it being far from ideal for the economy. We don't live in ideals, we live in reality.
As far as taxation goes, I am a strong believer that America is a consumer's republic, consumerism is the key to the American economy. New Democrats such as Clinton did raise taxes on the wealthiest 1% of the country, but he actually cut taxes on the middle class, America's largest consuming class. Reagan and Bush II advocate supply-side economics, with most of their tax cuts going to the wealthiest, with the benefits hopefully "trickling down" through out the rest of the economy. Most economists agree this model does not work (the infamous voo-doo economics), most of the extra wealth is not put back into the system, rather it is used for personal investment and luxuries (you know the infamous stories of CEO's spending hundreds of millions on stuff like personal ball washers... ha, well you get my point).
I love hearing others opinions, and respect everyones point of view, but there is no need for name-calling and overly broad statements, ie. "all conservatives are racist", or "liberals can't defend themselves". They aren't factual and add nothing to an argument. And yes, Wake Forest is doing a great job with their grads.
The two of you are an example of what Im trying to get folks like Vympel to understand. To be able to agree to disagree is what really makes you tolerant. Not preaching to everyone that if you don't believe what I do, then you're a bad person. As Conservative I am and as absolutely sure as I am I know that there are people on the other side and folks that simply don't agree with me, that doesn't mean they're bad people. I know that many of them believe that they are standing up for the right thing just as much as I believe that I am. Vympel here still believes that if they're not like me then they're bad people and I can't associate, like, or tolerate them. Basically putting his own head in a prison where the only brain food he gets to eat three times a day is granola bars and carrots.
What Im saying is that though intolerance of opposition is present on both sides. There seem to be more people on the left that think they hold the "MORAL HIGH GROUND" on everything and the other side has bad intentions. Vympel is a great example of that... Truly in his mind he has been brainwashed to think all "Conservatives are racists" and other liberal hit job qoutes.
I don't believe all liberals can't defend themselves. Although I do believe they are historically weak on defense and undermine "whether meaning to or not" a conflict when a Republican is in office. There is very little opposition for military strikes and conflict when Liberals are in office and that's a proven fact. Obviously you know why I think that is, so Im not gonna go into it in detail. Even though liberals aren't evil in their intent they seem to refuse to recognize evil when it exhists. For example, calling Terrorists "Freedom Fighters!" Anyone that is willing to die to kill you is evil, try repeating that Vympel.
I don't believe all liberals hate America or view us as evil doers. I think there are still liberals who want America to win conflicts and try hard not to undermine our President. If you read my posts I've tried to stick to pointing out Vympel's extreme viewpoints and incorrect statements. While he has consistently flung insults and vain rhetoric my direction. That's something he'll have to learn to leave behind if he wants to be taken seriously. I understand why he is that way, I mean liberal blogs out swear Conservative blogs 18 to 1. Just pointing out the whole "moral authority thing" that drives liberals crazy. But honestly, that is because most liberals get very emotional and have a hard time seperating the person's intent from their opinions. I will say that hate for opposition is much more noticable on the left than on the right.
Policy is serious stuff and most serious decisions that we make in life are more rational when we aren't emotional. Just think about the last time you lost your cool, I mean really lost it! When you spoke or acted out on your anger were you really speaking or acting rationally? No, that's why poker players try so hard to bottle or hide their emotions cause they don't want a bad beat to make them angry and get them off their game. How about this, have you ever been in love with someone and everyone can see it isn't working or not gonna work but you! Then after the relationship is over and your emotions are cooled down you can see exactly what they were trying to point out to you the whole time. What Im saying is when we get emotional as human beings we aren't making decisions in our best frame of mind. Emotion clouds judgement.
So my case is that much of the support (expecially from the youth wing of the Liberal movement) is based off of pure emotion and rage. Many kids in High School and College want to feel like they're important and that they matter. They're a match just waiting to be lit! Here comes a crazy proffesor indoctrinating his own agenda into their impressionable little minds and the next thing you know... They're rioting in the streets, turning over cars, breaking into buisinesses, and lighting things on fire... All in the name of Peace. See what my case is here... That is why I've preached "agree to disagree" and "tolerance of opposition" on here. They're is so few examples of it in our media and environment that we've all but lost the practice of such important elements to a functioning democracy.
I think I've been fairly reasonable on this site. I mean we've discussed almost every major issue facing our generation and I've stated my case while also showing my oppostion to the other side. I don't care if anyone takes my viewpoint and makes it there own, I don't want to speak for anyone but myself. What I want folks to take away from me is simple practices of a healthy democracy...
1.) Don't be afraid to state your opinion or where you stand.
2.) Don't be afraid to hear another's opinion, even when it is about your own.
3.) Keep debate on the issues and not the integrity or intentions of your oppostion.
4.) Be tolerant of views that aren't the same as yours.
5.) Try to rely more on facts, logic, and history than theory and emotion.
6.) Don't insult or get emotional cause someone disagrees with you, it doesn't help your cause.
If someone like Vympel can understand these things then they would be a very good and respectful debater. Although, Im afraid his pride won't allow him to learn these things from me now. He'll have to put them to use at a later time...
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After reading 80-85% of these posts, I find it humorous that the liberals here claim to be such angels behind closed doors.
I used to date a girl who was a vegan, which means she doesn't believe in touching a cow's teet to get milk because it's wrong, yet she was 100% pro any stage of abortion.....she was as left as it gets liberal.
I think that's quite a bit worse than someone making a joke about another race...besides we all do it. It doesn't mean anyone means it, it's all in fun and if anything closes the polarized gaps of fear between eachother in my opinion. I joke around with my hispanic and black friends all the time. We go back and forth and it's all in good fun and I would consider myself a conservative.
If anything, minorities do it more often because they get away with it (talking about on TV/movies). Ever notice how almost every black stand up comic resorts to the same black/white comparison when they run out of ideas?? I don't see even the redneck "blue collar" comedians (who should be the most race joke oriented) doing that at all. You need to swing the pendulum the other way and look at the other side of the coin here.
In addition, some of the nuts on this thread sound like they probably own Bill Maher's entire collection on DVD while feeding into the liberal "for the people" media industry, pumping dollars into the chubby pockets of Michael Moore and Al Gore. Yeah, you folks are the ones who aren't in the dark, lol.
I'll tell you one thing, Michael Moore makes a lot more money from you folks than Dick Cheney makes. But Moore puts on this facade that he is a working class guy and laughs all the way to the drive thru at McDonalds.
Generalizing one vague (probably fake) anecdote to a whole group? Check.
Totally having minority friends, seriously? Check.
Random name-dropping? Check.
Black comedian complaints? Check.
Mika mor iz fat? Check.
"You just fall for the facades and smokescreens, maaaaaaaaaaaaan"? Check.
Wait... I recognize that handle! Tsk tsk, you can do much better.
"BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS!" --Bodhidarmashare
Not presenting an opposing point to my view...check
Not presenting an opposing point to my view...check
Not presenting an opposing point to my view...check
Not presenting an opposing point to my view...check
Wait...I recognize THAT handle...tsk tsk...you have no choice but to do better than that because you have yet to present anything. Classic generalized left wing dodging out of pure dumbfound thought processing.
You have to make a point for me to counterargue. All I see is the muddy lunacy you're known for. No logic. Just cliches.
You're pathetic. Plain and simple. And you seem to be getting lazy now that you're on "your own turf". Sure was fun to see you run here with your tail between your legs after the mods euthanised your last topic though.
Don't be tricked, rational-minded denizens of the right. This one is a font of neverending humor, and nothing more. But you'd already know that if you read his last post.
Want to mess with him? Just tell him to make a post without using the word "left".
"BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS!" --Bodhidarmashare
Oh....all i said "just cliches" about liberals huh?
Noun 1. cliche - a trite or obvious remark
(OBVIOUS REMARK key words here)
So I guess I don't need to state the obvious about the extreme liberals. Keep hanging on the coattails of the money hungry lawyers out to destroy the country with frivilous law suits with the backing of secular state judges. While at the same time, have perverts protected without publication in the major media (left wing) so as long as they are supporters of the left wing agenda in the country. Get your head out of your ass and maybe you shouldn't believe everything the media feeds to your easily influenced and feeble mind.
And yes, I held my own as you so childishly put it "on your turf" duh huh!
You show nothing but generalized insults, which you will knowingly do again without making any relevant statements about the topic at hand, and I will laugh at the utter predictability. Why don't you click the heels of your "rubi" slippers and go home Dorothy. It's too easy handling you.
Didn't you use the fake dictionary/vague definition shtick before?
I'm starting to wonder who you hate more: liberals or the troops. While you're at it, you should complain about unions destroying corporate America. This being the year 2007 and all, it's on the cutting-edge of debate.
"BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS!" --Bodhidarmashare
"Didn't you use the fake dictionary/vague definition shtick before?"
-no (I guess you don't know the meaning of a word you used)
" I'm starting to wonder who you hate more: liberals or the troops."
-When did I ever say I hate the troops? Let's not forget it has been the Dems and the extreme left that have slammed our troops. I support the troops 100%.
"While you're at it, you should complain about unions destroying corporate America."
- Are you a Republican in hiding?? Of course I hate unions. Unions are one of the biggest things Dems and leftists stand up for. Are you kidding me??
You are a sad and confused person.
no (I guess you don't know the meaning of a word you used)
Ignoring the part that doesn't actually apply to anything said by anybody, how could I be expected to not confuse you with any of your 70,000 other brethren on the internet? You all use the same arguments after all, and the same words, in the same way, no matter how little sense it makes in any context.
When did I ever say I hate the troops? Let's not forget it has been the Dems and the extreme left that have slammed our troops. I support the troops 100%.
Yep, I can tell. Slashing pay, cutting benefits, substandard treatment, the continued side-line rah-rah for sending under-manned, under-armored, under-supplied platoons out. They don't like it? They can shut up. Good policy there.
Parody upon parody. Silly Republican. The point is to KEEP power once you've gained it.
P.S. Thank you for your reply, 'screechy' (lOl i maed a pun on ur naem). You have proven my theory that having no concern for real issues, but nonetheless charging headfirst into debate despite having the argumentative skills of a 5 year old, makes one easy to manipulate in open discussion.
"BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS!" --Bodhidarmashare
Thanks for your moderate guidelines and for being the voice of reason here. Your guidelines could fix what's wrong between the shrillest on both sides. This page of meathead arguing is depressing.
However when you say "There seem to be more people on the left that think they hold the "MORAL HIGH GROUND" on everything and the other side has bad intentions," all I can say is Puh-lease! Check the last thirty moralists (politicians and non-politicians) who were arrested and tried for pedophilia or sexual indiscretions 99 percent of them were conservative.
In the last election the hypocritical moralist party had candidates who text-messaged teen boys from the Senate, ripped off Indian tribes over casinos, beat their wives, paid hush-money to their mistresses, offered to save your soul while smoking crystal meth and having gay sex, stuffed deerheads into black families mailboxes, called people Macaca AND sold access to power and went to jail for it. Yes, these are the people I want to be my moral guide.
Whenever I see a GOP moralist I think of Susan Smiths dad molesting her: He was the pillar of his conservative community; and Herb Baumeister, the closet-case who was actually a gay serial killer while spawning little hypocrites with his oblivious wife, but attended church and was a good conservative in his community.
Liberals may judge events morally day to day, (that's the role of the minority party of either persuasion, going back in time) but the GOP runs on it, then get their faces ground in it. Why do G.O.P. voters keep falling for those who declare themselves moralists? It's major pile horsesh!t. Be your own moral center and get on with it. The nation would have a chance at recovery.
Name one liberal who has cited their "moral purity" while running for
office in the last 10 years. That's your tactic.
Nancy Pelosi... Restore "honor and dignity" wasn't it? Then she appoints William Jefferson to the Homeland Security Council... Didn't have to go back 10 years, that happened last week! ;o)!!!
shareHmmm, what to do with all this straw? *sits at table and contemplates* I KNOW! I'll make a little man, and throw stones at it! (This is directed at both sides in this thread, by the way)
shareTrey Parker and Matt Stone aren't conservatives. I'm a huge South Park fan, I don't know where you got that. Remember the show That's my Bush?
Ass kicking means, I look like more like a Hell's Angel then a college professor.
I am a card carrying member of the ACLU. An organization who's one purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights. Do you not believe in that document? Would you not fight for it?
I do make over 6 figures, barely, and I don't pay high taxes. High taxes are for the uneducated. I guarantee you I pay less in taxes then you. Fortunately for me, the government has designed a tax system that allows you to form corporations. There are more tax loop holes then you could possible imagine. All legal. They are complicated. So Joe Schmoe doesn't have the education level to understand them, the time to learn them, or the money to afford a good accountant. You should take some time to educate yourself about our tax system.
I am a hunter, I'm not afraid of someone coming for my shotgun or my rifle. That will never happen, and it's a ridiculous argument to say that it ever would. I am afraid of the gang members who carry around sub machine guns.
I did lie about the beer. When I do drink it, I usually like Guinness, but I usually drink Jack Daniels.
I'm 31.
I worked my way threw college working as a bouncer in a biker bar. I had my arm broken, was stabbed in the leg, and was shot at a couple of times. You wouldn't last 3 seconds in my world.
You are reeking of a lack of education, self control, or self respect. Your an angry conservative, the saddest ones of all. Take a deep breath and relax.
Card carrying member of the ACLU... Thanks for protecting criminals against us. You cherry pick cases and advance a Communist agenda. Congrats on working your way through College, good luck doing that in France. I really was interested in seeing you throw your nut juice around when discribing yourself so thanks, made my day. Quite simply you're making a statement about me not knowing anything about me. I could just talk about deer I've killed or bones I've broken but I'll just say this... You make the same classic mistake most "educated" liberals do. You're being an elitist! You think you're smarter and more educated so therefore your opinions carry more merit. However, you never stopped to think you just payed $50,000 for a peice of paper. Trust me pal, there is more thoughtful and educated people on the right side of the isle than on the left! Keep using those tax loop-holes and bragging about it online! Oh and since we've gotten to the point in the conversation where we compare the size of our balls, let me just say that you and me meet in a violent situation... You aint leaving happy!
shareI was answering questions raised. Again, the ACLU defends the Bill of Rights whenever needed, you only hear about the cases that O'Reilly or Rush want to talk about. The Bill of Rights is the very back bone of democracy. You seem to be making a lot of statements about me, why does it anger you when I do the same? The tax loop holes are 100% legal. The people you elect provide them for the people that help them get elected. Your right, you would beat the hell out of me, no doubt about it. You win. Your ego is clouding your insight. Again, angry conservative, calm down. No matter what I write, you will attack it, because your in self defense mode. Take a deep breath, and consider for the moment that your not 100% right. I know, it's a difficult concept to grasp. I do not believe I am always right. I have made mistakes and misjudgments in the past. I try to learn form them. I suggest that you take the time to constantly question everything, including what you believe. It helps you to grow as a person. This is quite the thread I've started. My point was that conservatives aren't funny. You're mean spirited, but not funny. A point that none of the conservatives who have wrote on this message board have proved wrong. I'll write that one more time, because I know it might take a second for you to grasp it.
This is quite the thread I've started. My point was that conservatives aren't funny. You're mean spirited, but not funny. A point that none of the conservatives who have wrote on this message board have proved wrong.
Gee... here's some fair analysis...
I happened to enjoy the show. Of course, I am also not a Leftist. There are plenty of funny, creative conservatives, BTW. Just because Hollywood tirelessly promotes liberals at the expense of conservatives doesn't mean they couldn't do the exact opposite and still crank out good stuff (in fact, I'd suggest the stuff would be better if they were less rigidly ideological).
Think about P.J. O'Rourke and Dennis Miller -- just two examples of funny, creative conservatives.
Finally, a conservative answers the original question. Hooray! Honestly, I've heard of P.J. O'Rourke, but I actually haven't read or heard him speak. IMDB has a short list of some things he has done. I will try to learn more about him. I don't personally think Dennis Miller is funny, but I will give you that one. He is a successful comedian. Althogh, he has said "I'm basically a libertarian. I'm pro-gay marriage and pro-choice, but nobody wants to hear all that...They determine who you are based on the war." Those are his words.
But thank you for finally providing an answer to the original question, and not giving an angry response.
Hey fatman (Michael Moore?), I am a conservative and I am hilarious. So I disproved you already. You can believe me, you can choose not to.
The fact is, we will show how funny we are when we are laughing all the way back to the White House in 2008.
The only reason you don't think Dennis Miller is funny is because he is actually an intelligent comedian and I would give you a free pass if his content and vocabulary is a little above your level of comprehension. He doesn't act like a retard like most liberal comedians (*cough*Al *cough* Franken, Jon *cough* Stewart).
I've know a few conservatives that have a sense of humor, but it's probably harder to be funny when you represent more extreme political views (left or right).
I do watch Daily Show, but i normally pass on Cobert after the Word. His interviews are bad, because they are supposed to be (they are to satyrical?) And i used to watch the show with a few people. Moderates thought the Daily show was funny, but people of the far right flew off the handle. In one episode, Stewart was taking shots at Hillary Clinton ("this is where penises come to die") and the far righter was laughing up a storm. Then Jon made a comment about Bush, and the guy got up and started yelling. As far as Jon being liberal - i think he's more anti-stupid. During the 04 election, a study showed that the Daily Show had the exact same amount of jokes about both candidates. Show after show conservative and liberals are the target of jokes, but like in the mentioning above - some people think 1 bush joke in a sea of liberal jokes shows liberal bias. I'm not saying he's "fair and balance" but those who claim he never or even rarely goest after people of the left are flatly wrong,
A joke is a joke - and political view points shouldn't have a great impact. Sure if you are a devoute Christian, you think jokes about Jesus aren't funny and minorities don't seem to laugh at racist jokes. But there will always be people who disagree about who is funny - no changing that.
I used to listen to Dennis Miller every once and a while, read his rant books which i thought were a riot. But after his 9/11 switch his jokes were belittling and mean. Instead of random topics filled with references that you need a reference guide to, he started getting in people's faces and became mean. I was turned off from him totally. Even when he's not talking about politics his swagger seems to have been altered.
I've seen a few clips of this program and wow is it bad. The Rush/Coulter segment was aweful. Why is it funny? It was stal at best. If they wanted to take on the News, they should have done a behind the scenes look to show the filtering process if they wanted to be funny (like a sports center). Show liberals being nitpicky of Conservatives (Hmm Bush 100% approval, the economy is strong, and illegal immigration is a thing of the past - no news there. Oh wait, his shoe lace is untied, probably because he's to dumb to know how, that's are headliner). Or an exposing of an Athiest Cult. That's off the top of my head (not comic gold or anything) but it seems like the show has no direction at all except to say "hey we're conservative comics and if you don't laugh it's because you're a liberal." Just lazy is what it is.
This will be my last post, so feel free to attack me all you want. I started this as an observation, or even a poke at conservatives. Of course there are some conservatives who are funny, but how many? I would argue that a VAST majority of comedians or comedy writers are moderates or liberals. Conservatives you just take everything so seriously. Everything is an attack on you and your beliefs. Most of you can't take a joke. Being funny to your conservative friends is different then being a successful comedian. Honestly, out of a 100 successful comedians, how many are conservative? 5%? Even if you gave them the benefit of the doubt, you certainly couldn't say more then 20%. You have to give me that. That was the only point I was trying to make. And yes, I've heard far more racist jokes from conservatives then liberals. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm in some strange part of the world were that happens. I'm sure that conservatives in the Alabama almost never tell racist jokes. And no, conservative in Alabama do not represent ALL conservatives.
This will be my last post because it has become a sad reflection of the world we currently live in. Nobodies opinion other than your own are right, and not only is the other guy wrong, you attack him for what he says. Conservatives have used a political tactic for years that Rove perfected. The politics of fear. Divide and conquer. Look back at the posts, many are filled with hate and attacks. And were talking about a damn TV show. I don't hate you conservatives, but I do hate your love it or leave it attitude. Lower taxes and less government sounds good to everyone. Now to what this message board is supposed to be about. The TV show. It's a perfect example of the way conservatives react. The show is not very good. I have a hard time believing anyone thinks it's the greatest show ever. Yet you protect it as if it were your own child. Why? Because you can NEVER be wrong, and we can NEVER be right. Are you perfect? Are your opinions incontrovertible? Mine aren't, I hope you think the same.
dude calm down, sorry I called you Michael Moore. lol. Speaking as a coservative we have a different sense of humor. We laugh at how liberals blow up and get so mad and overreact about everything. We just sit and watch it unfold and laugh inside. If anyone takes things too seriously it's liberals...because they are never satisfied, always want more (higher minimum wage, unions, grants, welfare, I could go on)...always complaining about something. Basically just take what we have for granted. To that I laugh inside. Peace out fatman, no hard feelings.
shareSeems to me the one's doing most of the attacks on here are from your side Fatman... Pretty much all I've done is state my position and the facts that back it up. I've stated time and time again I can agree to disagree with you or anyone else if they can do the same. However, all I seem to get in return are personal attacks, swearing, and "whose got bigger testicals compitetions." I admit, I responded in the "nut-juice wars" to your "You wouldn't last a day" comment. However, the point of that was to show how silly your post about your experiences was. Everyone has experiences, that doesn't discount someone's voice in this DEMOCRATIC society! You contradict yourself when you say all these things about Conservatives. Liberals are just as guilty as Conservatives as thinking they hold the high moral ground on every issue. They're also just as guilty if not more in labeling someone as a "bad person" if they don't agree with them. Someone isn't allowed to have different convictions and different experiences that they draw their opinions from. They're just bad, mean spirited, and self serving if they do...
As for Conservatives that are funny I will agree that the majority in the entertainment realm are liberal. However, I would disagree with you on why. Obviously talent is not something that one ideology holds a monopoly on. There are just as many funny people on the right as there are on the left. However the left does hold a monopoly on the Entertainment realm and are not too keen on "giving the rub" to someone who is pushing an opposing agenda through their talent, whether that be stand up, acting, or producing.
Oh, and since when did liberals get to decide what's funny and what's not. A joke slamming Christians is funny but one slamming Muslims is racist??? How come certain sterotypes are protected and others are fair game. I mean after all, it is a joke. Im not offended when someone says a joke slamming Jesus. Afterall, Im not the one who said it. The last time I checked, humor was something that was interpreted or objective. You and I aren't suppose to laugh at all the same stuff. Just like the same things don't anger us or make us sad. If you want a good idea of the objectivity of humor, study Andy Kaufman!
As far as your efforts to label this show as "horrible," they've failed. Fox News announced today they are picking up 1/2 hour for a full season so get ready for a half a year or more of conversations just like this one! I hope you got it in ya, cause Lord knows I do!!!
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There are just as many funny people on the right as there are on the left. However the left does hold a monopoly on the Entertainment realm and are not too keen on "giving the rub" to someone who is pushing an opposing agenda through their talent, whether that be stand up, acting, or producing.
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Well, thats what they SAY anyway. Personally, I think fatman is right that Conservatives generally take themselves too seriously to sit back and laugh at the absurdity of it all. Bill O'Reilly? That guy's a REAL cut-up! Not as "knee-slappin'" hilarious as Sean Hannity though!
PJ O'Rourke and Miller (both of whom I like) are two good exceptions, but they have Libertarian aspects that differentiate them from your run-of-the-mill Conservative.
I've often felt that funny isn't so much about the "what" as the "how". Thats why The Daily Show is so superior to this show...the political slant flows naturally from the comedy, whereas this show seems to have the laughs built around the ideology. Thats why it feels like a cheap knockoff rather than something genuinely subversive (which would actually be refreshing).
Everything about this show feels 2nd generation...it's only on once a week because they don't have enough current material that can be catered to their beliefs (and they probably aren't quick-witted enough to make a good show based on the previous day's news), and since they are so self-righteous, they give off the sense of "trying too hard" whereas The Daily Show feel effortless.
So you see, it isn't really about their politics at all, its about the humor...which is pretty mediocre. I realize its a new show, and I'll give it some time to grow, but I get the feeling that comedy just doesn't come easy to this team, and the result is material that SHOULD be funny, but just isn't.
Need an example? Here you go: The Daily Show could easily do a fake ad saying "The ACLU...protecting pot smokers like you from fascist freedom-haters like them"...but it wouldn't really be very funny...would it? Well, neither is this show's ACLU commercial, for the same reason...it lacks that "extra" something that pushes comedy past mere "agreement laughs" into the realm of true comedic genius. Deep down, you know what I'm saying is true...something's missing.
The Daily Show also gives off the vibe that it despises politics in general and loathes the media...I've seen neither a biting skepticism towards politics NOR the media from this show. BO Magazine is not a critique of anything specific about the media...sorry.
Politics has nothing to do with the lack of humor on this show. Blame for that lies with the personalities of the people making it. Conservatives, on the whole, aren't very funny people...especially when they aren't allowed to lampoon anything about Conservatism (or even the circus of politics in the general sense...a Daily Show specialty).
Humor is best when its fearless, and you must be willing to say and do anything to get the laugh. The best political comedians give you the sense they care about stuff...but not really. Jon Stewart understands this when he slams Hillary or Chris Dodd or Dennis Kucinich, he appeals to Liberals by mocking Liberal hypocrisy along with Conservatives in general...hopefully, this show will learn to mock Conservative hypocrisy along with Liberals in general. Then, we'll actually have a funny show to argue about!
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The only legitimately funny conservative I've ever run across is Ben Stein. And even then, his latest movie on creationism/evolution wasn't very funny at all. Dennis Miller can occasionally be alright, I guess. Still, there are much better "smart" comedians, like the late George Carlin and Bill Maher. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are libertarians/don't really give that much of a damn. They did, after all, make "That's My Bush!" all about how dopey Dubya is.
Good observation is what I'm saying, I guess.
This thread and this whole argument is ridiculous - of course there are funny conservatives and of course most of the entertainment industry is generally liberal. So what? I thought the point of this board was this show, which, whether you're conservative or liberal, you have to agree was TERRIBLE. I mean really bad. But that's representative of Fox. My problem with Fox News isn't the obvious (and I mean seriously, take a journalism or communications class), OBVIOUS conservative bias. There are all kinds of media with a conservative bias saying legitimately insightful, intelligent things - and providing a much needed voice in the news media.
The problem with Fox isn't the conservatism - it's that the network is *beep* The whole thing is like a joke - from the anchors, to the coverage, even the copy. You watch it and you think, "Who gave these chuckleheads a TV station? What is Murdoch thinking?". Honestly, have any of the producers seen a proper cable newscast? There are High-School AV Clubs with better news output than this. And that is the same level of quality they brought to this show.
The most shining example of what was wrong with this show was summed up by its creator, Joel Surnow. He said "You can turn on any show and see Bush being bashed. There really is nothing out there for those who want satire that tilts right." He shows with this statement that he's missed the point completely. Shows like SNL and The Daily Show are often staffed by writers with liberal views, and those views are often expressed in the writing, but that's not the main premise that either of those shows operate on. They're COMEDIES. Those shows aren't trying to be liberal first, they're trying to be FUNNY first.
Offering a conservative approach to sketch comedy isn't going to work if you don't have that as your primary objective.
P.S. Also, I know that you're not supposed to start a sentence with "and". Or "also". Or "or".
P.P.S. Oh wait, "also" is okay I think. Is it an adverb?