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History Channel Admits Anthrax Likely Inside Job


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdamOzrfZI0

But questioning 911 and WTC 1993 is so out of the question. 33% of America are wearing tin foil hats and can't think properly. Conspiracy Theories are for morons who have not a clue about the real world.

Yeah Sure

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God, What does this have to do with 9/11 and this has been know for years, not a inside job not does it say that, the DNA matches the Ames strain which was in three government labs. That by no means rules out a disgruntled employee.

HOW CAN IT BE A INSIDE JOB WHEN THE CASE IS STILL OPEN, SHEEEES, OLD NEWS.

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Well, right in the video you have authoritative commentators claiming a Government coverup. So why should we take the worthless word of sheep like you who claim it was a disgruntled employee when the "investigation" is up in the air. Who is hiding what and why? If the person who committed the crime was disgruntled and unemployed at the time then why protect them, since they can't bring any liability for any government agency as a non-employee? Don't stand up here with all your fakery and pretend to explain anything to us on IMDB. Everyone deserves more than that. They deserve MORE than you fake. They deserve real criminal probes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK4B6A7t2jo

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So why should we take the worthless word of sheep like you who claim it was a disgruntled employee when the "investigation" is up in the air. Who is hiding what and why? If the person who committed the crime was disgruntled and unemployed at the time then why protect them, since they can't bring any liability for any government agency as a non-employee?

God you are retarded, can you point out where I said IT WAS a disgruntled employee. It's unsolved, except by 13 year old alfa3647 in his moms basement.

If the person who committed the crime was disgruntled and unemployed at the time then why protect them, since they can't bring any liability for any government agency as a non-employee?

Actually you know nothing about the law, the government would most likely be found negligent if a dog got in and ate it because reasonable precautions were not taken to secure it. It does not matter who took it, the government could well be and most like was negligent.

Try to read slow, every word counts.

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Also I have seen that whole hour, could you tell me who that expert is and what evidence they have that it was a inside job, the show concludes it most likely was not but was the single act of a lone wolf.

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These packages were sent on orders of the U.S government.

Proof? Proof? Proof?

I'm waiting.

Look at the first letter - it says the person it's addressed to needs to take penicilin - if a terrorist wants someone to die, they don't advise their intended victim on how to help themselves live (if it would have even worked) nor does someone send Anthrax without intending to kill someone as the documentry says (in the case of it maybe being a test).

Proof, No just mindless speculation. Do watch the hole thing, someone just cherry picked the only part that speculated it was a inside job.

This documentry fails to mention that Athrax packages were sent to some journalists investigating 9/11 independantly

You mean reporting like a million others. PLEASE TELL ME WHO OUT OF THESE FIVE WAS CONDUCTING SOME SORT OF INDEPENDENT INVESTGATION 7 DAYS AFTER 9/11 BEYOND BASIC REPORTING OF THE EVENT!


Five letters are believed to have been mailed at this time, to ABC News, CBS News, NBC News and the New York Post, all located in New York City; and to the National Enquirer at American Media, Inc. (AMI) in Boca Raton, Florida





PS: I am ready to write your script, send me the cash.

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Reporting like a million others!? Erm no, I mean not on their usual payrole.
They were finding things out on theirr own and questing the official story.


Show me one link to anyone that was mailed anthrax that was questioning the offical story on 9/18/2001. You are just making this up.

ONE, Come on, ONE!






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oh you're very welcome matt, and look at how scared little sheep here would rather waste their time making excuses for a Government that covered up they know not what, and then they use up hours and hourse to try and make the rest of us forget about it, instead of joining the calls for criminal probes.

Who do these scared little sheeps really work for and wtf are they doing on imdb?

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oh you're very welcome matt, and look at how scared little sheep here would rather waste their time making excuses for a Government that covered up they know not what, and then they use up hours and hourse to try and make the rest of us forget about it, instead of joining the calls for criminal probes.

Yes, we know, you are wrong about everything but want a probe anyway, shop around someone will give you one.


Show me one test that scientifically proved their was molten steel.

Crickets.....................


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In here youll find mention of MELTING:

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf


Metals have different melting points, but all emit the same colors of heat/light at the same temperatures:

http://www.roundhousepottery.com/images/ColorTempChart.pdf

Why was your South Tower "Aluminum" so hot? Were the fires between 1800 and 2300 degrees fahrenheit,

you dumb aluminum helmet you?

It was yellow to yellow whitish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_jiCyMkrRM

Crickets.....................

Is that the sound in between your ears?

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In here youll find mention of MELTING:

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf


Yea, From a chemical reaction, not heat, heat just speed it up. Not traditional melting.


"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intragranular MELTING (MELTING YOU IDIOT!) was readily visible in the near surface microstructure.

Thank you for proving me right, the oxidation caused the melting as I said above. You are self debunking, you might look up the word subsequent.

What a child, 20 posts latter and you say the same thing that I did above long ago (and below) and you don't even know it, boy U Dum!

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Oxidation of iron by air is not the only EXOTHERMIC reaction of iron (= structural steel which is about 98 % Fe, 1 % Mn, 0.2 % C, 0.2 % Si.....). There is at least one additional reaction of iron with the capability of keeping the rubble pile hot and cooking!

The reaction between IRON AND STEAM is also very EXOTHERMIC and fast at temperatures above 400 deg C. This reaction produces Fe3O4 AND HYDROGEN. It is the classic example of a REVERSIBLE REACTION studied in Chemistry labs at high school. But believe it or not, back at the turn of the century, the reaction of iron and steam was used as an industrial process for the manufacture of hydrogen.

iron and steam could have reacted in this way and generated a lot of heat. What is more, the hydrogen released would have been converted back to water by reaction with oxygen, thereby generating even more heat. In this case spraying water on the rubble pile was like adding fuel to a fire!

Now add in gypsum reactions with H2 and CO and we have a great source of SO2 and/or H2S to sulfide the steel!

(Gypsum = drywall child!)

Perhaps the endless spraying of water on the rubble pile was not such a good idea!

In the usual lab experiment on the reversible reaction of iron and "steam", nitrogen (or some inert gas) is bubbled through water to create a gas stream saturated with water vapor at room temperature. This gas is then allowed to flow into a glass tube about 1 meter long containing iron in an inert boat at its center. This assembly is heated in a tube furnace to some desired temperature, say 500 deg C. The hydrogen/ nitrogen gas mixture is collected at the outlet of the tube furnace.

In the industrial process the feed gas might also be "water gas" which is a mixture of CO and water vapor. The outlet gas contains mostly H2 and CO2.

I am sure there was plenty of water vapor AND oxygen in the void spaces in the rubble pile. This is the "steam" I am referring to.

Please remember that the recovered pieces of structural steel were heavily OXIDIZED as well as sulfided. The most important oxidizing agents available in the rubble pile were obviously O2 and H2O.

The rubble pile was not only inhomogeneous with regard to its composition, it was inhomogeneous with regard to its temperature. This was due to localized chemical reactions. Such reactions were capable of generating high temperatures in these localized hot spots.

It is irrelevant whether or not the steam was wet or dry, that is a chemical engineering notion only of interest in a closed and controlled system, usually under high-pressure, such as a steam generator in a power station.

Water vapor was present in the rubble pile and water vapor reacts with iron releasing HYDROGEN.

ITS CALLED A CORROSION REACTION:

METAL + WATER = METAL OXIDE + HYDROGEN


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Metals have different melting points, but all emit the same colors of heat/light at the same temperatures:

http://www.roundhousepottery.com/images/ColorTempChart.pdf

Why was your South Tower "Aluminum" so hot? Were the fires between 1800 and 2300 degrees fahrenheit,


What a zipperhead, thermite in one spot bringing both towers down? LOL, Tell your teacher you want you money back. LOL, Science, it's what's for dinner.


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First, I will address the temperature range, then the color of the flow.

I am working in imperial units and temperature in degrees F [To convert to C use this link]

Metals lose about 50% of their strength at 60% of their melting temperature. This is common knowledge and may be found in any undergraduate text regarding "Fracture and Deformation of Materials."

If the approximate melting temperature of steel is 2750 F the the material would be plastic at 1650 F. Even assuming a safety factor of 3, you would expect the bolts or other structural members to deform and fail near this temperature, especially with the additional weight if a jet air liner. I would assume that the live load calculations did not include the typical office equipment and an airliner plus a factor of 3. THEREFORE I assume that the flow is not steel and that the temperature of the steel members at the time of the photo is less than 1650 F.

Assuming that the flow would be molten aluminum from the airliner and the color of molten aluminum is silver then why is the flow orange?

The color of pure molten aluminum is silver, It has an emissivity of .12. Steel has an emissivity of .4 and appears orange in the temperature range of molten aluminum.

The emissivity of aluminum oxide is .44 and also appears orange in the melting temperature range of molten aluminum.

The emissivity of plate glass is .937 It begins to soften at 1000 F and flows around 1350 F. Silica has an emissivity of .8

Copper oxide also has an emissivity of .8. however I will assume that their effect is negligible.

Aluminum oxidizes readily in the foundry under ideal melting conditions. Large surface area relative to thickness, turbulence, the presence of water or oil greatly increases the oxidation of aluminum. A jet airliner is made of thin aluminum sheet and most probably suffered considerable oxidation especially in contact with an open flame and being in contact with jet fuel. If you don't believe this, try melting a few soda cans over coals or open flame. If you are lucky you will end up with only 50% aluminum oxide. However, the cans may completely burn up.

The specific gravity of aluminum is 2.7. The specific gravity of aluminum oxide (Al2O3-3H2O) is 2.42 the specific gravity of Si = 2.40 and Glass is 2.65 these are all very similar and likely to be entrained in a molten aluminum flow. Don't believe it? lightly stir the dross into molten aluminum. The surface tension is so high is is almost impossible to separate them.

THEREFORE assuming that the flow consist of molten aluminum and considerable oxides, and assuming that the windows in the trade center were plate glass and also in a plastic state and that they were also likely entrained in the molten aluminum. I would expect the flow to appear to be orange in color. Especially since both the entrained materials have emissivities equal to or more than twice that of iron.

Also since dross cools to a gray color and glass with impurities also turns dark. I would expect that the flow would darken upon cooling.

I would also suggest that not only is the photo possible, but entirely likely.

Summary: The flow is not steel because the structural steel would fail well below the melting temperature. The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color.

Stephen D. Chastain

The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence. This is not aluminum in a foundry which hasn't mixed with anything. This is a cocktail of whatever was on the plane and in the towers which happens to come together. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect Aluminum and some other properties has changed its color.

The material flowing out the window that was glowing wasn't necessarily due to black body radiation but could have been due to spectra generated by chemical reactions in various materials in the melt that may have interacted with each other. A third factor that affects color would be reflection of ambient light, which isn't black body radiation and isn't spectra due to chemical reactions.


http://outreach.atnf.csiro.au/education/senior/astrophysics/spectroscopyhow.html

In the videos some of the falling drops appeared silver and turned orange briefly when they struck the facade and then turned back to silver. The orange glow in that case wasn't due to black body radiation. The material couldn't have heated and cooled that quickly if it had been black body radiation. One explanation is that molten aluminum, which is very reactive, interacted chemically with impurities on the facade and emitted spectra. The silver appearance is consistent with molten aluminum near its melting point.

The glowing material would need to be observed with a spectrometer to know if the light was due to black body radiation or spectra due to chemical reactions or both. For example, it could have been glowing red as a black body (or approximate black body) and emitting spectra in the orange region due to chemical reactions.

One last thing about the photo. In the NIST report where the photo came from it clearly states under the photo "Intensity levels have been adjusted". So how can you conclude the color of something from a photo which has been "Adjusted"?

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The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence.

wrong.
that same greyish silver molten aluminum glows reddish **in the dark**.
The emissivity might differ from other metals,
but it stays true to the color/temperature relationship, colors indicating temperature irrespective of the metal in question.

The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdkyaO56OY

yes?
And where did the molten glass come from.
The fires werent even hot enough to crack the windows.<<<<<<<<
That implies a temperature of less than 700F (370C).
So how do you soften glass at 1000F when you have no FIRE at that temperature?
How do you weaken steel to the critical 50% you cite?
You have to come up with 950 more degrees fahrenheit.
Your fires arent hot enough.
Was this why NIST's heat testing could'nt produce the neccesary degree of steel deformation neccesary to prop up the pancake theory?


You are trying to explain away the color of the material flowing, by alleging an aluminum flow saturated with impurities which would cause it to glow in an almost fluorescent manner.

Take another look and think again:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdkyaO56OY

...nuff said.

The color of pure molten aluminum is silver, It has an emissivity of .12. Steel has an emissivity of .4 and appears orange in the temperature range of molten aluminum.

The color of pure molten aluminum is silvery grey to be exact...and emits the proper color (reddish) of light in the dark which would indicate it's proper temperature. Iron, steel, copper, gold, or whatever, when that same color red, will be the same temperature....even if their red is visible in daylight and aluminum's is not. Capishe?

In the videos some of the falling drops appeared silver and turned orange briefly when they struck the facade and then turned back to silver.

You mean white hot....right? Not silvery grey in daylight (reddish in the dark). The greyish silver of molten aluminum is a whole different silver than the "silver" of what fell from floor 81. Was it silvery, or was it white hot? It sure wasnt the daylight greyish silver of molten aluminum.


One last thing about the photo. In the NIST report where the photo came from it clearly states under the photo "Intensity levels have been adjusted". So how can you conclude the color of something from a photo which has been "Adjusted"?

What photo>?
The photo of the mutilated steel beam?
I never made any comment whatsoever about the photo itself.

page 3:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E0DE153DF931A35751C 0A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

The amount of sulfur is the problem here.
The temperatures of fire are the problem here.
The temperature of ALL metals when they all emit the SAME COLORS at the SAME TEMPERATURES (at different degrees of emissivity) is a huge problem here.

dammit you dingbat, you never even understood emissivity right.

The fact that you think glass could've melted and joined the aluminum when the fires couldnt even crack the WTC windows is a huge problem here.
The fact that you are saying that organics mixed with some low temperature molten aluminum will create this smooth flourescent lava is a massive problem already debunked by the NIST man in that video link above.

This all had nothing to do with firefighters spraying water on hot steel. Your dumbass cannot even prove that any exothermic corrosion took place before or after collapse.

And sorry aluminum helmet but exothermic corrosion of iron/steel/whatever is not creating a liquid eutectic of liquid iron and high temperatures approaching 1800F [as per FEMA]. The reactions might release heat energy...but not THAT MUCH energy.




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Release of the molten material (possibly aluminum) that began pouring from window 80-255 on the north side of the 80th floor at 9:51:51 am provides evidence for the extensive heating that had taken place from the fire that had been burning in the area for nearly 50 min. The melting point range for the relevant aluminum alloys varies from 475C to 635C, and a great deal of heat would have been required to melt the large volume of liquid metal observed pouring from the tower. The sudden appearance of the flow at the top of the window was likely the result of the formation of a pathway from the 81st floor where the aluminum possibly had pooled on top of the floor slab as it melted. This, in turn suggests that the 81st floor slab possibly sank down or pulled away from the spandrel at this time.

During the 7 min between when the flow of molten metal was first observed and the tower collapsed, the amount of material flowing from the 80th floor increased and decreased repeatedly. At one point the flow shifted from window 80-255 to window 80-256. The change in the source window for the liquid suggests that the lowest local point with pooled aluminum somehow moved to the east. These observations suggest that the 81st floor slab in the immediate vicinity was possibly shifting almost continuously during this time, and in the process, spilling more and more of the pooled liquid. A similar release of liquid occurred from window 78-238 on the 78th floor around 9:27. It is possible that this material came from the pile of debris immediately above on the 79th floor. Since this flow was only observed for a few seconds, it is not appropriate to speculate further concerning its source.
pg 412,413,114 chap 9

http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-5A_chap_9-AppxC.pdf

Thermite can't walk from one window to another. A pool of aluminum which is guided by floors sagging at different stages can shift directions.

You are trying to explain away the color of the material flowing, by alleging an aluminum flow saturated with impurities which would cause it to glow in an almost fluorescent manner.

Because it is not possible ………….. Read slow, sound out each word.
If the approximate melting temperature of steel is 2750 F the the material would be plastic at 1650 F. Even assuming a safety factor of 3, you would expect the bolts or other structural members to deform and fail near this temperature, especially with the additional weight if a jet air liner. I would assume that the live load calculations did not include the typical office equipment and an airliner plus a factor of 3. THEREFORE I assume that the flow is not steel and that the temperature of the steel members at the time of the photo is less than 1650 F.

And where did the molten glass come from.
The fires werent even hot enough to crack the windows.<<<<<<<<
That implies a temperature of less than 700F (370C).
So how do you soften glass at 1000F when you have no FIRE at that temperature?
How do you weaken steel to the critical 50% you cite?
You have to come up with 950 more degrees fahrenheit.
Your fires arent hot enough.

Was this why NIST's heat testing could'nt produce the neccesary degree of steel deformation neccesary to prop up the pancake theory?


LMFAO, Can you read at all?

More evidence that normal fires without jet fuel added can reach over 1000 degrees C is an experiment conducted by One Stop Shop in Structural Fire Engineering, Professor Colin Bailey, University of Manchester.

It can be seen that, over a period of 2 hours, the hydrocarbon fire is the most severe followed by the standard fire, with the external fire being the least severe fire although the slow heating fire represents the lowest temperature up to 30 minutes. It is noteworthy that for standard and smouldering fires, the temperature continuously increases with increasing time. For the external fire, the temperature remains constant at 680°C after approximately 22 minutes. whereas for the hydrocarbon fires, the temperatures remain constant at 1100°C and 1120°C after approximate 40 minutes.

http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/Design/
performance/fireModelling/nominalFireCurves/default.htm

Air France flight 358 didn't hit a steel building at 500 miles an hour. It didn't even burn the fuel in the wings, yet its aluminum skin melted to the ground. It simply went off the runway and caught fire. What melted the airliner was its contents, like seats, clothing and other combustibles including chemical oxygen generators. It's not unreasonable to conclude the airliner and contents didn't even need the contents of the building to melt. Yet the NIST replicated the fires by burning office furniture in a controlled experiment and found the ceiling temperature to reach 1,100 degrees C.

http://www.debunking911.com/images/runwayfire6.jpg

The amount of sulfur is the problem here.
DRYWALL!

The temperature of ALL metals when they all emit the SAME COLORS at the SAME TEMPERATURES (at different degrees of emissivity) is a huge problem here.

The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence. This is not aluminum in a foundry which hasn't mixed with anything. This is a cocktail of whatever was on the plane and in the towers which happens to come together. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect Aluminum and some other properties has changed its color.

The glowing material would need to be observed with a spectrometer to know if the light was due to black body radiation or spectra due to chemical reactions or both. For example, it could have been glowing red as a black body (or approximate black body) and emitting spectra in the orange region due to chemical reactions.

Assume 3000 lbs of aluminum fell from the towers. If it had been molten iron produced by thermite, then 6*3000 = 18,000 lbs of thermite reactants would have been required to produce that same volume of falling mass.
Twenty thousand pounds of themite on one beam! LOL!, Yea, That has to be it, in 3rd grade science!

This all had nothing to do with firefighters spraying water on hot steel. Your dumbass cannot even prove that any exothermic corrosion took place before or after collapse.

Show your math little boy, show it was not possible, I just proved thermite was not possible. Do you seek any sort of treatment for your metal condition?, never mind, the answer is in your posts.

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Release of the molten material (possibly aluminum) that began pouring from window 80-255 on the north side of the 80th floor at 9:51:51 am provides evidence for the extensive heating that had taken place from the fire that had been burning in the area for nearly 50 min. The melting point range for the relevant aluminum alloys varies from 475C to 635C, and a great deal of heat would have been required to melt the large volume of liquid metal observed pouring from the tower. The sudden appearance of the flow at the top of the window was likely the result of the formation of a pathway from the 81st floor where the aluminum possibly had pooled on top of the floor slab as it melted. This, in turn suggests that the 81st floor slab possibly sank down or pulled away from the spandrel at this time.

During the 7 min between when the flow of molten metal was first observed and the tower collapsed, the amount of material flowing from the 80th floor increased and decreased repeatedly. At one point the flow shifted from window 80-255 to window 80-256. The change in the source window for the liquid suggests that the lowest local point with pooled aluminum somehow moved to the east. These observations suggest that the 81st floor slab in the immediate vicinity was possibly shifting almost continuously during this time, and in the process, spilling more and more of the pooled liquid. A similar release of liquid occurred from window 78-238 on the 78th floor around 9:27. It is possible that this material came from the pile of debris immediately above on the 79th floor. Since this flow was only observed for a few seconds, it is not appropriate to speculate further concerning its source.
pg 412,413,114 chap 9


bla bla bla. Noone is debating floor sagging.

Thermite can't walk from one window to another. A pool of aluminum which is guided by floors sagging at different stages can shift directions.

That is a stupid assine nonpoint. if there was sagging, the molten iron could shift just like a pool of aluminum would.

The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence.

That's been debunked here. Why repeat yourself? To state that the color of electromagnetic wave emitted by heated metals means nothing shows your utter disregard for truth when it disagrees with you politically.


If the approximate melting temperature of steel is 2750 F the the material would be plastic at 1650 F. Even assuming a safety factor of 3, you would expect the bolts or other structural members to deform and fail near this temperature, especially with the additional weight if a jet air liner. I would assume that the live load calculations did not include the typical office equipment and an airliner plus a factor of 3. THEREFORE I assume that the flow is not steel and that the temperature of the steel members at the time of the photo is less than 1650 F.

congratulations, you have confused yourself 100%.


More evidence that normal fires without jet fuel added can reach over 1000 degrees C is an experiment conducted by One Stop Shop in Structural Fire Engineering, Professor Colin Bailey, University of Manchester.

It can be seen that, over a period of 2 hours, the hydrocarbon fire is the most severe followed by the standard fire, with the external fire being the least severe fire although the slow heating fire represents the lowest temperature up to 30 minutes. It is noteworthy that for standard and smouldering fires, the temperature continuously increases with increasing time. For the external fire, the temperature remains constant at 680°C after approximately 22 minutes. whereas for the hydrocarbon fires, the temperatures remain constant at 1100°C and 1120°C after approximate 40 minutes.


according to NIST, “only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 degrees Celsius”

Air France flight 358 didn't hit a steel building at 500 miles an hour. It didn't even burn the fuel in the wings, yet its aluminum skin melted to the ground. It simply went off the runway and caught fire. What melted the airliner was its contents, like seats, clothing and other combustibles including chemical oxygen generators. It's not unreasonable to conclude the airliner and contents didn't even need the contents of the building to melt. Yet the NIST replicated the fires by burning office furniture in a controlled experiment and found the ceiling temperature to reach 1,100 degrees C.

still not hot enough to melt steel. And according to NIST, “only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 degrees Celsius”. And your excuse for the molten metal being contaminated aluminum is debunkable just by watched videos of wtc 2 leaking lava and videos/pictures of aluminum experiments.

DRYWALL!

Yeah, you have your gypsum sulfurs there. But you are claiming the drywall/gypsum/sulfur contamination had nothing to do with collapse, that it was only an after-effect that occured in the pile. FEMA doesnt agree as their section C6 of appendix C states.

Does your gypsum/steam/steel exothermic effect reach 1800 degrees? If drywall sulphur caused the corrosion, all 1800 degrees of it, why don't we see more drywall induced corrosion in other building fires? Even FEMA said this was more than unusual


Assume 3000 lbs of aluminum fell from the towers. If it had been molten iron produced by thermite, then 6*3000 = 18,000 lbs of thermite reactants would have been required to produce that same volume of falling mass.
Twenty thousand pounds of themite on one beam! LOL!, Yea, That has to be it, in 3rd grade science!


ok, stop jerkin off. You don't even know what the Official Conspiracy Theories are, you F(_)ckstick. Dr Jones doesnt claim the whole building was taken down by thermite you twit. The scenario is super-therMATE, and about 4000lbs of RDX, a C4 derivative. He calculated that 40 men could take ten trips up and down and that's it, building wired. Try r-e-a-d-i-n-g up on what you purport to be able to debunk.....mr emissivity.

lol

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Thermite can't walk from one window to another. A pool of aluminum which is guided by floors sagging at different stages can shift directions.

That is a stupid assine nonpoint. if there was sagging, the molten iron could shift just like a pool of aluminum would.


And molten steel does no damage to the steel facade of the bulding and the 5/8 truss bolts, LOL.

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Yeah, you have your gypsum sulfurs there. But you are claiming the drywall/gypsum/sulfur contamination had nothing to do with collapse, that it was only an after-effect that occured in the pile. FEMA doesnt agree as their section C6 of appendix C states.

Wrong C6, Long term exposure to 110 floors of drywall laden debris in the rubble heap.

That is a stupid assine nonpoint. if there was sagging, the molten iron could shift just like a pool of aluminum would.

And not do damage to the 5/8 steel bolts it was pouring around and damage the façade? LOL.

That's been debunked here. Why repeat yourself? To state that the color of electromagnetic wave emitted by heated metals means nothing shows your utter disregard for truth when it disagrees with you politically.

Only if it was pure metal, funny you just admit above that it may have been a pool, do you think anything might have mixed with that pool in a office building, for starters there is this new fangled invention called carpet, google it.

according to NIST, “only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250 degrees Celsius”

Back to the proof of a chemical reaction, not heat, THERE GOES THE 250 degree THERMITE, it was set at defrost!


ok, stop jerkin off. You don't even know what the Official Conspiracy Theories are, you F(_)ckstick. Dr Jones doesnt claim the whole building was taken down by thermite you twit. The scenario is super-therMATE, and about 4000lbs of RDX, a C4 derivative. He calculated that 40 men could take ten trips up and down and that's it, building wired. Try r-e-a-d-i-n-g up on what you purport to be able to debunk.....mr emissivity.


Is that his latest?

FIRST JONES HAD.

1. Thermite Only
2. The Super Termite Only
3. Then Nano Termite Only
4. Now we are back to Super Thermite and his boy wonder a WWII explosive.

Well wow, I guess if the square peg will not fit in the round hole keep pounding, the gullible will listen, (to the silent explosions of 4000lbs of RDX)


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LOL>. you ph-uckstick, nano thermite and super thermite are identical.
fakery, you're just a make believe imdb scientist.

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Child, Super thermite often is a simple cutting charge where nono-thermite often has an explosive component.

They are not necessarily identical just like Tinky Winky, Dipsy, Laa-Laa and Po are not the same teletubbie, next you will be trying to tell me the Underworld series is good cinema.

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Child, Super thermite often is a simple cutting charge where nono-thermite often has an explosive component.

They are not necessarily identical just like Tinky Winky, Dipsy, Laa-Laa and Po are not the same teletubbie, next you will be trying to tell me the Underworld series is good cinema.


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God What logic, proving a negative. I don't even understand beyond that what you are asking, that there are shaped or cutter charges, you made the claim you prove there are.

Shaped charges are used for directional blasts, thermite, termate does not blow up. Shaping it would not change it's effects. It gets blazing hot in seconds and gravity pulls it down. A square, a ball, a disk, they all just blaze like a sparkler and go downward.


Try and learn you subject matter.



LOL, and try to stop deceiving America, you Aluminum Helmet

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God What logic, proving a negative. I don't even understand beyond that what you are asking, that there are shaped or cutter charges, you made the claim you prove there are.

Generation of fast propagating combustion and shock waves with copper oxide/aluminum nanothermite composites


[Nanothermite composites containing metallic fuel and inorganic oxidizer are gaining importance due to their outstanding combustion characteristics. In this paper, the combustion behaviors of copper oxide/aluminum nanothermites are discussed. CuO nanorods were synthesized using the surfactant-templating method, then mixed or self-assembled with Al nanoparticles. This nanoscale mixing resulted in a large interfacial contact area between fuel and oxidizer. As a result, the reaction of the low density nanothermite composite leads to a fast propagating combustion, generating shock waves with Mach numbers up to 3. ©2007 American Institute of Physics

Gosh a shock wave three times the speed of sound or about 2,000 mph. SOunds like more than cutting to me.

http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&; id=APPLAB000091000024243109000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes

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Ok, 1st of all, the "God what logic: quote is yourself. So now you are debunking YOU. That's pathetic. Stop while you're ahead. You've just documented, while trying to pretend to be clever, that there are explosive superthermites. A ways back on another thread you practically called people tin foil for believing thermites could be explosive. Now all of a sudden, you're a thermites expert. Listen b00b, anything you just learned and cut and pasted Dr Jones knew from wayyyyyy back when. So sit down and shut up,

ROOKIE!

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A ways back on another thread you practically called people tin foil for believing thermites could be explosive. Now all of a sudden, you're a thermites expert.

Yea, It's a hybrid! WOW, You did not know that? So once again, how does any thermite on one beam in the South Tower bring down both.

Explain, when you can break away from the Cartoon Network.

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little aluminum helmet rookie, the prevailing Underground Theory, based on evidence collected and analyzed to date, is that thermites weakened the building at key points. Then thermites or other explosives, along with gravity, were able to tear the buildings apart, causing them to fall through themselves straight down...at nearly freefall speed. Yes, they didnt go straight down only. They blew outwards, in all 360 degrees, which is another bitter bone of contention for truthers. How can you crush the remaining superstructure beneathe...if the top has already disintegrated and much of it is flying sideways. The prevailing underground conspiracy theory to date that I am aware of is that these were top down demolitions, as opposed to bottom up. The Underground Theory is evolving a bit because new evidence is coming to light. For example, the Jones team has discovered what they believe may be actual thermite/thermate(?) *chips* (not sure but maybe like paint). This is a separate discovery from the microspheres and all of the electron microscopic analysis done to date.

Then you aluminum helmet, have to debunk WTC 93.
93 ALONE puts big question marks all over 2001, bigtime.

Now, are you a government agent or maybe one of the cyber israelis involved in Net propaganda for the benefit of Israel? Cui Bono? 911 as the work of Arab madmen only benefits right wing Israelis....no one else. Who are you and who are you working for?

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For example, the Jones team has discovered what they believe may be actual thermite/thermate(?) *chips* (not sure but maybe like paint). This is a separate discovery from the microspheres and all of the electron microscopic analysis done to date

Yea, That was a great uncontaminated sample.

The provenience of the dust sample used in my study is from an apartment at 113 Cedar St. in
New York City. This fourth-floor apartment was the residence of Janette MacKinlay, and was
approximately 100 meters or so from the closest Tower, the South Tower.


Then you aluminum helmet, have to debunk WTC 93.
93 ALONE puts big question marks all over 2001, bigtime


LOL, Yes we know everything is a inside job and there is no such thing as terrorism.

The Underground Theory is evolving a bit because new evidence is coming to light.

New, That has been around for years.

Now, are you a government agent or maybe one of the cyber israelis involved in Net propaganda for the benefit of Israel? Cui Bono? 911 as the work of Arab madmen only benefits right wing Israelis....no one else. Who are you and who are you working for?

Typical 12 year old loon, If I don't agree with your tin foil hat ideas I am somehow paid and dishonest in my views. What a fricking retard.





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The history channel is owned by GE. GE is the corporate arm of the US Military. The history channel 911 special is full of disinformation. This is how disinformation is spread.

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This is how disinformation is spread.

Name the disinfo.

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That could take all year. In the history channel special there is obvious incorrect info. This same process is used in Oliver (CIA) Stone's JFK. They put in all this disinfo about oswald being a bad shot and the magic bullet being prestiene and the media black out. but none of it happened, oswald was an above average shot and the bullet was banged up and there was no media black out. But when idiots watch the movie and say 'Oswald couldn't have done it He was a bad shot!!!!" Then the facts are presented and he goes...'Oh... I guess I was wrong." And sulks away.

The same thing is being done with 911 but a lot of these so called 'truth movements" they spread lies that closly follow the truth so they can be lambasted. Alex Jones, the so called leader of the 911 truth movement is the biggest cia faker. One of his first theories was that the planes were holograms. An obvious 'look at us with our tin foil hats' black opp.

Dis info is how the world is run. Dis info is how we win.

Another example is the history channel and all the UFO stuff. About how we have UFO technology. Again, the history channel is GE, GE is the Military. Do you think the military would like for our enemies to believe that we have alien technology? This long running flase flag opp has aided the military beyond belief, spinning UFO info is how they learned how to spin info.

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In the history channel special there is obvious incorrect info.

Name it.

Go the mighty maroons!

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Well...you should know I do not respond to commands well. Something tells me what ever I show you you will refuse to pull your head out of the sand.

Here is a good prision planet article that covers the disinfo facts pretty well.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/210807_hit_piece.htm

Frank Zappa said something about how when it gets too hard to cover up, the curtain will fall and we will see the real Powers That Be. (I am way para phrasing).

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Ok I just read through this thread. So Master, you are actually using this history channel show to claim that it proves there was no inside job? And you have the nerve to call others retarded?

I think that is pretty funny. I bet you invest in all the ideas that mad Money Kramer tells you too as well.

Baaaa baaaa!!!!

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I not debating a website, especially from moonbat Alex Jones, make a point, where was the History Channel wrong.

Que Crickets...... (Retard)

Go the mighty maroons!

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Ok, last post for you, life is too short.

Ummm...read the article dumb ass. Disinfo is not like top secret or anything...Rtard.

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Ok, last post for you, life is too short.

Thought so, Typical Joneser.

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They put mercury in your vaccines to brain-damage your children.

The Aztecs would take hallucinogenic enemas and cut their penises off. (Ah, the Sixties!)

Alex Jones has correctly predicted everything that has happened in the last 10 years. (Can you spell M-E-G-A-L-O-M-A-N-I-A? I thought you could...)

FEMA has a giant private army.

Everyone is talking about world government. (No they're not. As used by normal people, the phrase "new world order" simply means a change in the world order. It has no implication of world government. Conspiracy nuts are stupid--what can I say?)

Vaccines have brain-damaged millions of babies. (Based on a misreading of CDC documents. Alex Jones misreads everything.)

You can't succeed in academe unless you agree that 80% of the population has to be killed off. (That's all those stuck-up academics talks about.)

Black helicopters are real. (You create your own reality, dig.)

Illegal immigrants get free tuition and discounts on their Twinkies. They always go to the front of the line in emergency rooms. (It's part of the takeover.)

There's a worldwide takeover going on, perceptible only to dumb white guys...
...but everyone is waking up. (Conspiracy nuts always say "everyone is waking up." It's part of their delusional system--like their imagined ability to predict the future.)

The ruling elite of the world worship Moloch. (The evidence for this is a blurry video of the show at Bohemian Grove. Alex thinks the Bohemian Grove show is real.)

The secret rulers of the world can live forever. (No one knows where this comes from or why Alex believes it. I think it came from a dream Alex had. As far as I know, the rulers of the world continue to die normally.)

The elite have openly announced that they want to kill 80% of us. (But, oddly, in all the world only Alex Jones noticed these startling admissions!)

Dick Cheney writes papers saying terrorism isn't real. (Alex wouldn't say what papers. Though he talks incessantly about documentation, Alex Jones almost never says where he gets his information, much less why it's dependable.)

The U.S. Government went around Italy blowing up school busses full of children...& admitted it.[/ed] (Twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-ha-ha-ha!" Alex hears a lot of admissions no one else can hear.)

The left-right political spectrum is bogus (This is the dominant paradigm of stupid people today! They never offer a shred of proof. It's just too self-evident to prove, when you're as smart as these guys.)

There are little wires in dollar bills that keep track of what you buy. (Somehow.)

Vicente Fox can morph into a green devil. (Alex says he saw him do it. Honest. This vision occurred when Fox visited Texas, c. 2003-4, & Alex bullhorned him.)

The Communist Chinese Army has taken over the Massachusetts Port Authority. (Maybe it's some kind of brain seizure with Alex.)

Noam Chomsky is a mongoloid idiot. Also an agent.

There are Illuminati symbols on Starbucks coffee cups. (The Illuminati leave clues visible only to angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's.)

Exits on tollroads are 50 miles apart. (It's a takeover only Alex Jones could see! Who woulda thought?)

Jacques Cousteau wanted to kill 80% of us. (Jacques, too? I wonder why he didn't live forever?)

Margaret Sanger gave & received awards from Hitler. (When the Nazis weren't burning her books.)

There are live AIDS viruses in the corn. (This means no sex with the corn.)
91% of Americans are Nazis. (Alex says anyone who favors gun control is a Nazi; 91% of Americans favor mandatory handgun registration; that's a lotta Nazis, Alex.)

The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random (twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-ha-ha-haa!")

The Founding Fathers were basically stupid (they were Masons––but they didn't know about the secret conspiracy so obvious to Alex & his friends)

Masons can commit murder. They make a secret sign to the judges and are immediately set free. This has been solidly confirmed.

All throughout history, governments have always been Evil. (Bet you didn't know that. Like most of the Patriots, Alex is an anti-government bigot. He frequently poses as a historian, but no real historian subscribes to Alex Jones's bad comic book.)

Power outages are government plots.

Illegal immigration is a government plot.

The counterculture is a government plot.

Vaccines are a you-know-what.

Thumbscanning is a government plot.

Environmentalism is a government plot.

The National Seatbelt Initiative is a bloody government plot.

Feminism is a government plot.

Tollroads are a gummint plot.

This web page is a government plot.

Your mother is a government plot.

The goddam drug culture is a government plot. (Alex Buzzkill Jones.)

Cell phones are a government plot.

Wal Mart is a government plot. (A Defense Department front. It's all out there in the open...but only Alex Jones can see it. Far out.)

Sports are a government plot...somehow.

Antidepressants are a government plot. (Better you should say "What's NOT a government plot?")

All domestic terror attacks are government plots. (Pulled off by the most incompetent administration in history, fooling everyone in the world except angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's.)

The bad guys plant clues in TV shows and tell you what they're going to do on TV. (Though only one man in the world can perceive these clues. Think of the burden this puts on Alex.)

The government brings in all the drugs. (All of them! Only Alex Jones knows this. No documentation. No nothing. Just another bad dream Alex mistook for news.)

Arnold Schwartzeneggar is a known Nazi. (Only Alex knows this. Someone alert the Kennedys.)

Arnold Schwartzeneggar is part of an Austrian plot to take over America. (Alex really has it in for Arnie. He has a web page devoted entirely to ad hominem attacks against the ex-terminator.)

Skull & Bones is part of an English plot to take over America.
The United Nations is part of a (very slow) plot to take over America.

Children's cartoons are part of a government plot to brainwash us. (Alex Jones is immune. Conspiracy guys are always immune to the brainwashing they see everywhere. White-Guy egotism.)

Organized religion is brainwashing us. (Doesn't Alex realize brainless people cannot brainwash?)

The secret ruling elite of the world are putting up buildings that look like owls. (Only conspiracy people can see these owls, in case you were wondering. I wonder why they don't build pyramids with eyes on top of them.)

Most major police chiefs are CIA operatives.

Gloria Steinham is a CIA operative.

The voting-machine companies are openly run by the CIA. ("Openly run by the CIA" sounds like an oxymoron to me.)

The Quakers are communists. (Er...I thought communists were atheists. Of course, right-wing loonies have no concept of what communism is.)

All of Clinton's cabinet were Jewish. (Alex is not anti-Semitic. I don't know why he said this. Another dream, I guess.)

People in Holland have tattoos saying "Don't Kill Me." (Evidently a tougher country than we thought.)

Lyndon Johnson had John Kennedy killed. (I guess JFK was stupid, choosing LBJ as his running mate like that. Conspiracy guys are stupid, so they think everybody is stupid.)

The UN has sold thousands of children into slavery & for snuff films.

Gays are actively recruiting in our schools. (Why do right-wing loonies always believe this?)

The government keeps "giant, honeycombed hives full of toddlers drugged on lithium" (twirling their moustaches & going "NYA-HAHAHAHA!" The government...not the toddlers.)

The Rothschilds funded Hitler. (Some of the Rothschilds were arrested by Hitler and ransomed back to their family; others escaped Nazi Germany with only their lives.)
People in Africa tear off their arms after receiving vaccinations. (But then, we've all done that.)

The government is spraying us with EVIL CHEMICALS contained in the contrails of planes (also poisoning themselves, I guess. Shows you how ruthless the elite are.)

The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random (twirling their moustaches & saying "Nya-ha-ha-haa!")

Every soldier who died in any war since the Civil War was a chump (you thought they were heroes; turns out they were nothing but fools; how's THAT for patriotism?)

Antidepressants are a government plot to bum us out.

The United Nations is part of a (very slow) plot to take over America.

Mercury travels from Africa to Austin on the Jet Stream. That's why Austinites have so many allergies.

IQ's are going down. (IQ's are going up.)

The cancer rate is up. (Most cancer rates are down.)

During his inauguration, President Clinton openly gave the sign of Satan for all the world to see. (They all worship Moloch, don't forget. I don't know how we get to Satan from there...but Alex says so.)

Alex Jones is saving humankind with his cable TV show, radio shows, & tapes (available for purchase, by the way).

Bad people are deliberately putting cancer viruses, AIDS viruses, & mercury in our vaccines (twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-hahaha!").

9-11 was only the beginning; there are going to be lots of even bigger domestic attacks (5 years & waiting on this prediction, Alex).

Most Americans believe the government was behind 9-11 (this is based on Alex's misreading of a Zogby poll; Alex misreads EVERYTHING)

They sacrifice babies at Bohemian Grove. (Try to imagine Richard Nixon sacrificing a baby. Or GWB. I guess Cheney would do it, perhaps inadvertently.)

They only hire people with IQ's below 100 to become police officers. (Like most "Patriots," Alex Jones is essentially a cop-hater. He will say anything bad about the police.)

Alex Jones has flawlessly predicted the future many times. (This is a delusion common to conspiracy guys. Here are some of Alex's bogus predictions.)

& finally...my personal favorite:

Alex Jones can predict the future, because he goes to the SECRET WEBSITES where the New World Order tells you EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO DO!


[RED]Go the mighty maroons!

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The only reason I am posting to you again is to point out how obviously insane you are, but strangly enough, we agree on something.

Go read my post on Sat Jun 14 2008 12:55:05, in it I CLEARLY state how Alex Jones is obviously CIA who spreads disinfo. Then, YOU ask me for examples of such actions of fakery in the History Channel show. THEN you claim I am a retard because I believe disinfo is being used to aid the 911 lie. NOW you throw Alex Jones in my face as if i support him. Oy....

This is why you are a loser. You are so angry at god knows what you are so quick to lash out soley for the purpose of lashing out.

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Go read my post on Sat Jun 14 2008 12:55:05, in it I CLEARLY state how Alex Jones is obviously CIA who spreads disinfo.

I am insane but you want me to debunk a website run by a guy you claim is CIA to spread disinfo? Put the bong down and put a adult on the phone.

THEN you claim I am a retard because I believe disinfo is being used to aid the 911 lie.

No, I now beleive you are one in general.

Go the mighty maroons!

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Declaring victory over this Momo because he did not address any of my points.

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Hey Fake, I have reviewed this thread and now it is plainly clear what a FOS debunker you have been.

You claimed, last year, that an EXOTHERMIC (you insisted on caps here) reaction produced the molten metal.

You forgot just one thing...

Metal was dripping from the 82ish floor of Tower Two. The FDNY never reached that high up to even put water on the fire. And the sprinkler system was severed. So you've been debunked, yet again, and exposed as completely FOS from head to toe.

thanks alot

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You claimed, last year, that an EXOTHERMIC (you insisted on caps here) reaction produced the molten metal.

You forgot just one thing...

Metal was dripping from the 82ish floor of Tower Two. The FDNY never reached that high up to even put water on the fire. And the sprinkler system was severed. So you've been debunked, yet again, and exposed as completely FOS from head to toe.


No proof that was metal, there was a huge UPS battery station there, it may well have been sulfur and such from the batteries, it may have been Aluminum from the plane, SO? Are you saying they put thermite on one beam in one building to bring down both, LMFAO!

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