No respect for Viewers


O.k so im the in the UK and over here if the decision is made to cancel a programme then atleast that programme is finished with some sort of ending so that the viewers have some sort of closure

I find it really dis-respectful for NBC to cancel Bionic Woman on the eight episode without even some sort of proper ending

If NBC were going to cancel it anyway, they should have stopped worrying about the people that weren't watching it and cared about the fans that were and given them atleast some sort of ending within the next 8 episodes (out of the scheduled 16)

thats just my opinion :)

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You have a good point.

But, another point is that, if you read about Bionic Woman before it first started airing in the UK, then you would have known long-before it started airing in the UK that it was cancelled after making 8 episodes that go nowhere and therefore you could have chosen not to watch it based on that knowledge. For example, many posters on this board were pointing that out for months before it started airing in the UK.

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I knew that it was cancelled by the time it was airing in the UK

I'd watched a few episodes online last year just as they were airing in the US, but i didnt get around to watching the rest of them so thats why i started to watch it when it aired in the UK

The season really started to pick up and by the eighth episode i thought that it was actually going well and then it just finishes without any sort of conclusion , for example Sarah Corvus just vanished after episode 4.

Anyway, my point was (perhaps i didn't make it too clear in my first post) that if NBC were going to cancel anyway - then they should have just filmed the extra episodes that were written anyway and rounded the show up to a proper "complete series" just out of respect for the viewers who actually liked and watched the show, instead of just caring about those who didn't

I probably sound biased because I am (well was) a fan of this show - i just feel that it was really starting to pick up and also that there are a lot of shows out there that are still on that are 10x's worse than this, I just think NBC should have just given the show its full run (filmed the extra episodes that were written) and then decided to cancel it or not, if it thats what they wanted

Hope this makes sense and is not just a daft ramble :)

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When President Ronald Reagan deregulated the American television industry in the 1980's, the networks adopted a policy of playing it safe, minimizing risks and dumping any series that failed to show immediate rating success. That's why today, outstanding shows like The Bionic Woman starring Michelle Ryan have been cancelled before even completing a full season.

Fortunately, the American television networks were not operated in this manner in the 1970's, otherwise some of the great shows of that era would have been cancelled before gaining widespread popularity.

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"outstanding shows like The Bionic Woman starring Michelle Ryan"

Ugh are you kidding? This show was horrible.

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While I enjoyed this summer's blockbuster movies, Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, I found The Bionic Woman to be even more entertaining due to the outstanding performances of Michelle Ryan and Miguel Ferrer.

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It was a troubled production. As I've said in my earlier posts, various NBC exes were the ones really running the show. And it was never ment to please fans of the 1970's series. There was no creative freedom. It lost four executive producers before the first episode even aired, a clear signh of network medling.

The the first wrting staff was hired be showrunner Glen Morgan, of X-Files fame. They were all fired without an explanation by NBC and replaced by a bunch of part-time from NBC's other series Friday Night Lights. It did not need to be just like the 1970's series to be good, NBC just should have let the producers and writers due their jobs.

If you've been the following the development of a lot of new broadcast network series for this upcoming season, you'll notice a lot of the things that happened to BW 2007 behind-the- scenes are happening to a lot of shows still in delvelopment. Producers leaving, cast members being dropped , writing staff being replaced, pilots being reshot. What happened to BW 2007 was simply not another case of a show with bad writing or acting, but of a disturbing trend regarding major broadcast networks.

It seems to me, that the old school networks are so obessed with finding the next big thing that they are driving off producers and writers with their nitpicking. However, the cable networks don't seem to be doing this. More and more, new network series are in danger of ending up like BW 2007.



One last thing, andy 219 is not who markfornale thinks he is.

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Bionic Woman was a great series, so were shows like traveler,Firefly and roswell which were also very short series

these days people are too caught up in reality tv shows

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Bionic Woman was a great series, so were shows like traveler,Firefly and roswell which were also very short series

these days people are too caught up in reality tv shows


Roswell lasted 3 seasons, and I think Firefly had quite a few episodes too.

If you want to talk great shows that weren't given any real chance at all, let's talk about Journeyman and Day Break. :(

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i saw teh first episode of journey man and hated it...

BRIGN BACK DRIVE!!! THAT SHOW NEEDS TO BE BACK!

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You should have given it a chance. It was a great show.

Daybreak was a good one, too.

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I think Firefly had quite a few episodes too
Firefly only had fourteen episodes, not as bad as Bionic Woman's number but not that much better

I'm only going to say this once: stay out of Camberwick Green - Sam Tyler

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That's true... 14 isn't much of a chance, really.

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drive had 4 and the last two were sapposed to be shown on forth of july, then the 14th then online...

and teh ending of the last one! I NEED TO NKOW WHAT HAPPENS!!

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I like this show well did to tell the truth but the whole show was like how do i put it "Not understanding" Like one person died on a mission. the boss killed the parking vallet like he had no care in the world. And the blck man allowed them to be captured and also he was almost going to have Ryan the hero to kill that person and also it was like oh my god. I only liked it becasue i like robot stuff and things.

Justin

Bond James Bond

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Never saw Day Break, but I can speak volumes about Journeyman and the tragic loss involved. All I have to do is to watch a clip of that series and my anger at NBC for canceling it is renewed all over again! It was smartly written and very well acted, and... well, I digress. This is a thread about Bionic Woman, after all.

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8 Episodes was never long enough to really give BW a chance. I loved it, and in general I'm the sort of bloke who knows good telly; Dexter, Lost, BSG, etc.... and couldn't see anything wrong with BW, much less in the short run it got thanks to the strike.

Bad telly is bad telly - that new Knight Rider show for example. Even if it does, as many are predicting, get canned shortly, it'll still criminally end up with more episodes than we got of new BW, cos the strike gave NBC their handy 'out'.

I kinda wish they'd aired the other way around. Without the strike, BW would have at least got a few more eps and there's a chance it might have found it's audience in that time (and hey, after Knight Rider, everyone woulda been falling over themselves to say how good BW was!)

Bummer.

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yes because canada is the issue right? Seeing as most the box office actors today are from canada. Canada is a beautiful place to film and producers/directors are starting to see that.

ignorance is bliss

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It was horrible ... cheaply made
actually, not - quite a big budget compared to some TV shows
and no conscience given to the original
So what? It's a remake, which means you get to do over what you didn't like in the original. If you ignore the original, this is a pretty good series.
Good ridden to it, it was junk
well that's you opinion, and you're entitled to it, but why do you want to stop the rest of us from seeing it?
- filmed in Canada and you could tell!
Does this make it junk? Is everything non-American automatically junk? Your petty bigotry is a bit obvious, perhaps you should re-evaluate your objectivity.

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Oh, you mean shows like the original Battlestar Galactica?

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Oh it's soooo gratifying to see the hostile little Andy from ALEX.net come whining and crying here over the cancellation of BW2007.

That was priceless and really made my day. LOL

I find it really dis-respectful for NBC to cancel Bionic Woman on the eight episode without even some sort of proper ending


How about the dis-respect that NBC and the cast and crew of BW 2007 showed towards the cast and crew of the original BW and it's fans?

David Eick publically bashed the original Six Million Dollar Man and BW series on several ocassions.

Miguel what's his name (George Clooney's ugly cousin) also publically bashed the original BW series and even went as far as to publically insult Richard Anderson with personal attacks.

Kate Sack-Off was another known public basher of the original series.

And the NBC marketing department bashed both the original series and Lyndsay Wagner while promoting the pilot.

What a helluva way to earn respect from the fans of the original series and potential viewers.

But that would be too much for Andy's biased mind to wrap around.

As for giving closure to the series..... why?

Only a small handfull of viewers watched the show. It wouldn't justify the expense of the production. In your own words that you once told me at ALEX.net "That's the way the industy works". LOL

Atleast the original series fans can take comfort and laugh at failure of BW 2007 after having insults flung at them by the cast and crew of BW 2007.

The fact is, no one involved with the new show should have never been so publically insulting towards the original series as it lasted like 7 episodes.

LOL

The original show saw an Emmy Award for Lyndsay and the series had a nice healthy run for 3 seasons and 3 reunion movies.

Anyone involved in a show that is a remake of another person's idea that only lasts a few episodes should crawl back under thier rocks in shame. All their bad-mouthing of the classic shows could have been time better spent making a decent program. I bet all their mouths are shut tightly now that they are out of work. LOL

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markfornale - who the hell is Andy from ALEX.net?? (what even is ALEX.net)
i think you'll find that not everyone named Andy is the same person or is that too much for you to wrap your brain around?

It really makes my day seeing how stupid other people are

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Andy,

If you're not the same angsty, hostile, venom spitting troll that harassed and attacked me at ALEX.net... then sinceerly apologize for my remarks I made to you in this thread.

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Okay. . .sooooo. . .bashing the actors and producers and writers such as the above quote makes everything better?


When they antagonize the original and the fans... then yes they deserve the public baklash bevause it's both childish and unprofessional on their behalf.



. .Richard Anderson has a vanity licence plate with BIONIC on it. . .he's leaving himself WIDE OPEN for ridicule.


No he's not living in the past. He's just a nice retired actor who's proud of his most memorable role and who loves conventions and interacting with the fans.

He didn't deserve any public attacks from George Clooney's no-talend bitter ugly cousin.

Miguel Ferrer basically said if he was ever caught blatantly living in the past, then he (Miguel, that is) would also be open to ridicule


No he said if he was caught driving with aq licence plate that said BIONIC, then you (the interviewer) has his full permision to cut his throaght,

That was an intentional public insult to Richard Anderson so you're making yourself look foolish be trying to sugarcoat it and defend him.

But seeing that you're a frequent poster on George Clooney's ugly cousin's message board, you're jusy a biased fanboy/girl.


And no, Miguel is not ugly!)


Ah yeah he is. That's the only thing that he's known for is being George Clooney's inferior ugly cousin.

That's probably why he's such a bitter jerk.


And just because it's a remake does not mean it has to be a cookie-cutter exact replica. . .it's called creative licence


It's so funny how you use both the words "remake" and "creative" in the same sentence.

Non-talent writers/producers that do remakes are not creative... they are hacks bec ause they lack the talant, the imagination to create something original.

but thought the (1970's) Bionic Woman was lame


Well the original lame BW must have did something right considering that it had a healthy run of 3 seasons 3 reunion movies and an Emmy Award for Lyndsay Wagner.


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To interject intelligence here, The New Battlestar Galactica ran for more seasons than the orignal and it isn't even close to the orginal's vision. I was never a fan of the orginal Bionic Woman, though I have bought it for the 'rents I admit it was good...

Point is... you like your version, others like theirs it be nice if we could all get along.

BW 2007 was a different show but I think what happened was they came up with the idea based off it, realizing if they changed names and called it something else people would call it a rip off they called it a remake instead of the different show it was.

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Miguel Ferrer and George Clooney are cousins?

..... I was unaware.

Learned something new today? Check.

Now where's todays apple to keep away the doctor???


Oh, and Miguel is the more talented actor in my humble opinion.

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He was really good in Robocop.

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I'm still baffled as to why the networks and producers think it's good tactics (let alone good form) to insult the shows they're adapting.

It's just completely destructive in every way.

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Unfortunately thats the new TV and movie corperate mentality towards remakes about 80% of the time now. In fact some actually go to extreme lengths to piss off as many fans as possible. Banking on the negative reaction to draw in an initial influx of the curious.

Others just want a well known name to slap some near unrelated story onto.

And others seem to just despise the original and want to drag it down by whatever means necessary.

Bionic Woman falls into the "Name to slap a plot onto" category by admission of the writers, producers, etc.

Yes it would have been nice to see some sort of closure to the series. But remember that it was cut off in mid stride by the writers strike and that pretty much left it DOA. And TV series to have anything remotely resembling closure is a rare thing indeed.

Was the series bad? Yes and no. Strip off the title "Bionic Woman" and just look at the series as it stood and there was alot of potential shown. Unfortunately the uneven writing really damaged any hope. Some of the early episodes just herked and jerked around haphazardly or started a plot arc and then nulled it by the end and this doesnt engender good responses.

Any series that hase the execs screwing with it, like Firefly/Serenity, is pretty much doomed from the start.

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I'm still baffled as to why the networks and producers think it's good tactics (let alone good form) to insult the shows they're adapting.

It's just completely destructive in every way.

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Well, I liked the series. I think I know why it was given a chance, and I don't think it really had anything to do with the production or the actors.

My question is though, for all these people who thought this series was horrible, what are they doing here talking about it? It's obvious that there are many of us that really liked it. And if you don't, do as I do and don't watch it. There are many very popular series running that I never watch. I think most of them are the same crap regurgitated with newer or younger actors. And they survived seasons upon seasons lacking greatly in creativity.

There are very few series that I think is really worth my time. I think it deserved a fair go of a full season the least. I really looked forward to the next episode each week until this was cut. At first, I just thought it was because of the Writers Guild strike (since almost all series got cut during that time). But, just sad that it wasn't given a fair chance to show itself.

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Totally agree with what you said Fujow.

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Fujow:

This isn't a fan board. By your logic only hype (mostly of the empty kind) would ever see the light of day.

As for people not watching, be careful what you wish for because that's what happened.

Finally, this show was given a gigantic promotional push and was hyped everywhere as "the show to watch". The idea that it wasn't given enough of a chance is ludicrous when it managed to lose viewers every single week. It didn't even bounce back from measurement error as it was failing so fast.

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can't believe this is happening again i was a big fan of this series, i have had this already this year with the great series 'moonlight' the end to a series is just as important as the begining, you wouldn't put out a movie trilogy only to make the first two only it would create a huge backlash of fans and critics alike. but they wouldn't even listen for a tv show.

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I'm with you on the idea that continuing stories should be finished.

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There is no integrity with the networks. I heard about the show just before it wentr into production. I thought to myself nothing could really compete with the original. The original was so cheesy but Wagner gave it so much heart and humanity that it really worked. But I also thought this show is doomed because it won't be an instant hit and therefore won't get the time necesary to get an audience. For those to young to remember, the reason the original became a series was because The Bionic Woman was a hit already on the six million dollar man.

Anyway, this really was a great show. I just watched the 8 episodes and I'm really upset that NBC wouldn't even give it a chance. Instead they would rather put Leno on primetime and play it safe ... so typical of NBC. In the future I suggest you all only watch premium channel series. At least they finish what they start.

I really hope another network picks this show up.

Macklin Crew

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Don't give me that "In the UK" BS. Red Dwarf has been "in production" for so many decades it's ridiculous. Oh yeah your networks ALWAYS give closure :P

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I totally agree with Macklin-1.


"Metroid: Other M" is the best game (PERIOD)!

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I disagree - it is not always the case that in the UK shows get cancelled with a conclusion. Many are left hanging. The brilliant ULTRAVIOLET (1998) is one that springs to mind. IDEAL (2005-2001) was axed not because of low ratings but because someone at the BBC wanted to see something new and no consideration was given to the cast, writer, or fans who had stuck by the show over 7 seasons. (Same goes for HEBBURN and HOUSE OF FOOLS despite their popularity). ITV has always been pretty ruthless about its shows but the BBC is going the same way. Still not as cutthroat as the US though.

No respect for the viewers - that I do agree with - too often we are treated as mindless bovines. British TV went down the crapper at least 8 years ago, but the rot started when we switched to digital and we got no end of repeats of repeats of things noone really wants to see yet again and low brow/low budget 'make me famous' bilge. Look at all the UK reality police shows - years old but on a seemingly endless loop. IMHO with Gogglebox we must be at the nadir of British broadcasting. Sorry for the rant.

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