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Why seven stars to this piece of c*ap?

posted 16 years ago by wildecki
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I've just seen it. Also I understand that oscars are in some way politicaly correct. But here on IMDB? Horriblie dialogues, the camera operator didn't know what he was doing(compare it to somewhat similar movie, only a rather good one - The Pianist). No tension, unless u say shooting polish soldiers in the head is tension - even so it is the only scene for like two hours, where something happens. Ofcourse you may enjoy soldiers singing carols while waiting for death from the evil russians and think it's great, true cinema, but I personaly belive this film is borring as hell and full of c*ap.
A very 'crystalized' story with anti russian message. It's not even a good propaganda, unless wievers are becoming more stupid by every hour of every day...

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[–] Digitalimage 16 years ago

my dear fellow wildecki ----> living in your isolated little perfect world

you don't live in poland -- next to the Soviets who did this,and the Nazis
who were real and

there are people who are still alive who MAY think it was the right thing to do
and would do it again in a heartbeat

This film would have meant death for all invovled just a few years ago

just as there were heros on all three sides of the incidents

people are alive who could rekindle the evil very easily

This film was a pesudo documentary that could have won the oscar if that was all it wanted to do ---- at any human cost

The General is led into the celler and realizes their fate.......

[–] mbrooke 15 years ago

"This film would have meant death for all invovled just a few years ago "

Sorry, but this is total hyperbole. Can you cite a single example of a Polish filmmaker - or a Polish artist in any creative field - being executed for their work after World War II? Although Poland still had the death penalty on the statute books until the late 1980s, the kind of show trials and ideologically-motivated executions seen in Hungary, Czechoslovakia and elsewhere simply didn't happen there.

And another reason there wouldn't have been any executions is that the film would never have gone into production in the first place - there's no way the Polish film authorities would have sanctioned a film on this subject prior to 1990.

[–] mbrooke 16 years ago

"A very 'crystalized' story with anti russian message."

It's not an anti-Russian message, it's an anti-Stalin message. If Wajda's purpose was to be anti-Russian, why did he include the subplot of the Russian soldier saving the woman and her daughter from certain death even after she refused to marry him?

[–] Hector Marroquin 15 years ago

I haven't seen the movie, but I have a pretty good idea of its contents from several reviews. It was made for propaganda purposes specifically for Kaczynski's image, who is staunchly anti-Russian and anti-German like his twin. There are far more effective ways to uphold an anti-Stalin position which are rarely looked at. It wasn't like the NKVD murdered Polish civilians, in this case anyway.

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[–] giuseppe69 15 years ago

Yep, the NKVD murdered just some Polish soldiers who obviously deserved to die anyway, because of what the late Pilsudski supposedly had done 20 years before right?
Get a conscience, quick!
btw. the NKVD did murder civilians, massively and systematically, and not just by accident, last time I checked the Russians were admitting it, too. But it was for the greater good, right? And they deserved it, or at least had friends or relatives or knew somebody who somehow deserved it, so it's still fine? right?

[–] snigeriger 14 years ago

lol omg you're so ignorant. I'm amazed that you even have access to the internet.

[–] freetobreathe 14 years ago

Such a brilliant film--in so many ways. Wajda has indeed shown his brilliance in this masterpiece: technically and aesthetically - given its portrayal of complex events of the time. (I see hints of the other genius of Polish film too - Kieslowsky)

It is definitely NOT an anti Russian film nor should it be. The Marxist system that took hold in 1917 was an international one instigated and defended and spread by ethnicities from everywhere. Beria, who was a prime theorist behind the Katyn massacre was a Georgian - although that meant nothing to him since he murdered thousands of his compatriots in the name of Marxism and his idol Stalin.

[–] Xcalat3 12 years ago

It's not an anti-Russian message, it's an anti-Stalin message. If Wajda's purpose was to be anti-Russian, why did he include the subplot of the Russian soldier saving the woman and her daughter from certain death even after she refused to marry him?

good observation

When there's no more room in hell, The dead will walk the earth...

[–] Troken 15 years ago

I couldnt agree with you more. Just because the subject is important, and must not be forgotten - does not make the movie good!

[–] leforcat 15 years ago

1. calling 'wildecki' a russian means you don't know much about linguistics,
2. nobody has ever benn killed for doing a film in Poland, not even imprisoned or arrested. Back in the old days the movie simply wouldn't have been made and the filmmaker would perhaps have to engage in some other kind of work within the film industry - those days all ended in 1989, and
3. I think, sadly, some of you are right, sensitive and/or important subject isn't the same as good filmmaking.

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[–] bcny77 15 years ago

Uhh, how is it anti-Russian, if it actually happened, was acknowledged by Gorbachev, and you're an idiot?

If you didnt like the movie is one thing, but you're basically saying the movie Glory is anti-slave owners. Lol.

Added to which, it's Stalinism that's the problem. Not Russians. Dunce.

[–] deeveed 15 years ago

Thank God for Wajda to get this on screen. Somebody has to give a voice to what occurred back then, the brutality of that time, the lies and the murders and the incredible suffering the Poles endured. I know he did the film for himself but at the same time he's also doing it for history. I think describing the film as 'crap' does its victims an injustice.

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[–] deeveed 15 years ago

KillyKillyKilly....I know you sound definitve but what do the Russians say? That is who killed the Poles?

[–] wildbillharding 12 years ago

Deveed - I'm interested in what you have to say. Please could you clarify your main point?

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[–] poker_patrik 15 years ago

I totally agree with wildecki. This movie was utterly boring! Just the fact that this massacre happened can not hold the whole movie itself like some people here thinks. The movie must still have tension, great plot, good actors and create interest. I lost interest after 15 minutes... And many people in this movie didnt belong to the main plot. Like the guy in leather jacket getting run over by a car in the streets. He like came from nowhere, died, and was never mentioned again. Like the girl who was gonna go with him to the movies, no followups how she took his death. And also I thought his character was incredibly stupid and arrogant. I cant understand how he survived the previous days of occupation. Atleast take off ur leather jacket since its the only signalement the soviets had!

The only good part was the end when you truly understood what really happened.

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I understand that this massacre truly happened and that it was very cruel and evil. My post is about the movie itself and NOT about the actual events.

[–] supermamuska2000 15 years ago

That's war, wanna talk to our American veterans of war, any war? Where were you growing up Mars?That's what enemies do shoot you in the head. Well you don't have to go to war, Go to a gang zone. My family members were shot that way, so if you don't know don't talk. It's disrespectful and ignorant. if you can think before you open your eyes. Not everything is about Jews and Money!!!What if all that was left of you were shoes after you died in gas chamber and then you were burned. I was at concentration camp and saw shoes of kids and adults I will never forget what I saw. Jews are people too and many nations died during War II. I've learned that Hitler was going after Jews because his Mother was raped by Jew. So please let's not hurt each other any more!There is too much hate in this world.

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[–] supermamuska2000 15 years ago

Heard it from Family, my Stepfather is studing World War II so he has a lot of info about Hitler, SS etc. It might be true or just fable, the only person that knows is Hitler's Mother, who realy knows what motifs were behind what he did. There were German, Polish, Russian, Czech Jews and other Religions died too. Germans were after inteligence so they could win the war, but did not take in concideration that simple people, farmers, students who love their country can fight too. They Lived and where active "underground movement" in forrests. My Grandparents fineshed their school "underground" risking lives and were fighting for their freedom. I look at movie as a form of art, no one tell an artist painter that he could paint his painting differently! It is directors vision, his painting. We can speak our mind that is for sure. take care. I can find the source of the information. I actualy felt sorry for Hitler for a split second when I got that information. I actualy teach my children not to hate and forgive. It was a past and we can't dwell on it. Take care.

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[–] erol-mehmet-a 11 years ago

@1 I completely agree with you.