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Before you write your negative post, read this:


I've seen a couple of poorly, to barely thought out at all posts about this movie. Heck, I see them for every movie, and I'm sure it'll be just as ignored here as it is on every other board, but hey at least I tried.

First, before you try saying something bad about this movie, you SHOULD'VE gone warily into this movie in the first place. I see no end of pointless annoying "Oh, I just can't buy the hype" BS posts. Of course people are going to like movies that you don't, it's the natural condition. If you buy into hype, it's your own damn fault, not the movie's fault, not the people who hyped it's fault, it's yours. I mean how many times have you gone to see a movie that won a ton of awards and thought "boy did that suck"? Personally for me it's been countless times. Which is why I don't buy hype. And if you're sitting there saying "Well that's not happened to me yet" well then you're an amature movie viewer, and reconsider typing out your post up front.

While we're on the subject, this movie is partly for people who love movies. There's quite a few references in this which you should probably get to appreciate the movie. So, if you didn't immediately recognize the girl's costume to be from Blade Runner, if you'd never seen the movie "The Warriors" and thus couldn't get the reference to that movie, if you've never seen "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" and thus couldn't spot costume and humor similarities, then maybe you should quit while you're behind.

Third, take the movie for what it is. It's the first outing of an unknown director. A tiny budget horror. If you think THIS is the worst movie ever made, you must've seen about 2 movies. If you want to see worse writing, directing and acting, here's a couple names to look to: Leif Jonker's Darkness, Peter Jackson's Bad Taste, Mosquito, It Waits, House of the Dead. You'll find worse EVERYTHING in those movies, including special effects. In other words buidling on what I said earlier, if you expected this to be Alien, maybe your expectations were a little high.

Fourth, and final, I'm not saying I thought this movie was great or anything. I've seen many better, I've seen much worse, but if you're going to condemn this guy for working within his limitations and doing a pretty good job with it considering how much worse it could've been, well I just don't see much point in that really. If you had a chuckle or two, consider yourself lucky. You could've been forced to sit through a Meg Ryan romantic comedy. You know, one of the ones NOT directed by Rob Reiner.

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So if I don't like this movie, naturally I must not get that the girl's costume is from Blade Runner or there's a Baseball Furie from The Warriors?

Give me a break, pal. Chances are if you're seeing something like Murder Party, you've seen a few movies that are out of the mainstream limelight. But even so, neither Blade Runner nor The Warriors are exactly obscure.

I didn't like Murder Party becuase it's a crap movie with bad acting, witless humor and a lethargic pace. The hype mystifies me also, I'll admit, but I go into most modern genre films with a weary disposition as I don't believe many recent indie films have been worth the film they're printed on (or the camera they're shot on, incidentally).

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So if I don't like this movie, naturally I must not get that the girl's costume is from Blade Runner or there's a Baseball Furie from The Warriors?


You've got that all backwards my friend. If you haven't seen at least the movies it references, you are an amature film watcher and your opinion is not worth reading. The fact that these were mainstream movies it references makes this point even MORE obvious.

Try to pay attention to what's posted here, and you won't look like a jackass.

It's fine that you don't like it. Don't get all defensive right up front, I'm not attacking everyone who didn't like it. Just trying to inform a few people who are clueless as newborn babes. Regardless of how you live, and what logic you operate under, there are quite a few people who pick up movies based on the box cover or title alone.

Hmm, chances are if you're seeing Murder Party you've seen a few movies outside of limelight. Wow, chances are. That must mean everyone right?

And if you think everyone who watches this is INTO film festival, low budget horror junk, check out a thread entitled "turd movie." It kinda says it all, to me.

And lastly, like I said, it's all got to do with condemning the director. I'll be laughing my ass off when this guy has movie contracts offered out the wazoo, not necessarily because of how good this movie was, but of how much hype it generated and how much money it made with it's tiny budget. This is how indie directors get started.

You want to know of a couple of movies with lethargic pacing, terrible acting, and no budget? Reservoir Dogs was one. Clerks was another. Bad Taste was a third. What did those directors go on to do? Hmm, Pulp Fiction, Chasing Amy, and Lord of the Rings.

So the style wasn't your cup of tea, that's fine. That's what they have cult movies for. Fringes of people who like the movie, who find the comedy funny, who like the blood and gore. You can say "Oh, but I'm INTO cult movies, like I like Army of Darkness and Meet the Feebles, I like Tim Burton's early stuff." A cult following is the FRINGE groups, and it's not always the same fringe. Like I don't get why people liked Ichi the Killer. That one's beyond me. And I don't necessarily get why people liked the original Gone in 60 Seconds. I can see why they get cult followings: good directing, different storytelling maybe, or maybe just a brutal chase scene. And I can get why people would like this movie too.

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Honestly, you didn't say much with that post.

Also, I wouldn't use Murder Party in the same sentence as any of the other, bona fide cult films you mentioned. Those films have stood the test of time. They've still got audiences talking about them.

The verdict is still out on this crap.

Also, why will you be "laughing your ass off when this guy has movie contracts offered out the wazoo,"

Is this guy related to you or something? Why in the hell would you care otherwise?

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lol, no, just because it'll be yet another thing that his critics haven't accomplished.

How many movie contracts have YOU been offered?

And as for it being a bona-fide cult film, it already is. Sorry.

I mean, you see how many positive posts and reviews there are? It's 3 to 1 vs. Negative posts. You're the minority. In fact you're the minority minority. You're the one fourth of a small percent of people who have seen this movie so far and didn't like it. The 3 other people will tell more people that they know who might like this movie, and out of that group 3 of ever 4 will probably like it. I mean do you think that later on the percentage is going to change any? You need to study up on your censusing, if you take a sample group (like you could consider the amount of people now who've seen it) vs. the amount of people who will see it in their lives, you get a pretty accurate representation. I believe the sampling error is usually plus or minus 3 percent, something along that line. which, is the difference between worst case scenario a 72/28 split. Worlda difference there.

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"How many movie contracts have YOU been offered?"

Let me explain to you why this is not a valid point, now or ever.

By this rationale, I'm not allowed to criticize a movie unless I've ever had a movie contract offered to me? The same would go for you, then. And I seriously doubt you don't have your own list of movies that you hate. But wait...unless you've been offered movie contracts, you're not allowed to possess any type of negative opinion.

Sorry, but that's terrible logic.

"And as for it being a bona-fide cult film, it already is. Sorry."

Talk to me again in a few years. I think it's way too hasty to say that about a movie that hasn't even hit DVD yet. Since you're such a cult aficionado I'm sure you're aware that the majority of cult classics have become such with their debut on video.

If and when people being to screen Murder Party during horror festivals regularly, I'll concede this point to you. But it's way too early to tell.

There's really no room to debate that.

I'm fine with being in the minority of hating this movie, believe me. And if it does become the cult classic people are prematurely suggesting it has already become, it will just another case where I fail to see the appeal.

But again, I feel like we're a few years off from being able to really tell.



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This is freaking HILARIOUS! I love it when people dance around themselves and I have to keep reexplaining stuff to them, it really gives me a big rubbery one.

By this rationale, I'm not allowed to criticize a movie unless I've ever had a movie contract offered to me?


Okay, First, the fact that you haven't been offered a movie contract is the reason I'll be LAUGHING! You're allowed to critcise whatever the hell you want. I mean what did I say second post on this thread? I can't quite remember, I believe it sounded something like "It's fine that you don't like it. Don't get all defensive right up front, I'm not attacking everyone who didn't like it. Just trying to inform a few people who are clueless as newborn babes. Regardless of how you live, and what logic you operate under, there are quite a few people who pick up movies based on the box cover or title alone." I wasn't even CALLING you on it, I was, as I said before, informing people who don't know jack about jack. If you don't know movies, you shouldn't be allowed to criticise this, period, end of story, sent to the editor, approved, printed, and you already read it. Twice. You read it once, I explained it to you, you read it again, now you're reading it a third time. So, to retiterate, I'll be LAUGHING, because this guy's accomplishing more with his life than you are, so umm, deal with it?

I mean I know it's dark and ironic, but that's the kinda humour I laugh at. As I've always said, cancer and rape jokes are always funny.

I think it's way too hasty to say that about a movie that hasn't even hit DVD yet


O RLY? Then How did I watch it? Beta Max? VHS? Did I see a bootleg copy? I sure as hell am not the type of person that goes to film festivals, I live in the boonies. Sure, Amherst, OH is a hotbed of theatrical debate, which is why I come on here.

http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Party-Chris-Sharp/dp/B000U6YJME/

But you're right, it'll probably be a few years before it's REALLY attained cult status. But it will. And will it be as popular as those cult movies I've stated? Reservoir Dogs, Clerks, Army of Darkness? Maybe. time will tell, if the director becomes as popular as I think he might.

I mean, go ahead like I said. Compare this to Bad Taste or Clerks, Visually this guy has more style NOW than Jackson or Smith had back in the day.

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"I mean, go ahead like I said. Compare this to Bad Taste or Clerks, Visually this guy has more style NOW than Jackson or Smith had back in the day."

Everything you said is wrong.

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Yeah, I kinda don't think you've seen Bad Taste based on the way you're talking about it. But that's okay. Watching it felt like watching a bad soap opera. An episode of Passions maybe. Jackson had a tenth of the style he would eventually attain.

And Clerks, I mean jeeze. Kevin Smith has even said himself that his style is that he has NO style. If you call pointing a camera at two people sitting behind a counter style, well. And that's not to say that he hasn't developed some style now, but back then I mean let's put it this way. When I saw Clerks for the first time I was about 11, and even then I'd seen movies like Unforgiven and thought to myself "Wow, this guy was the director AND the star? How'd he even do that?" But with Clerks, I had no problem believing that Kevin Smith could direct and star in it. I mean he pretty much said "Here, Scott Mosier, hold this camera while I stand over here. Hold it in frame now, like I showed you."

They're both good movies at the end of the day for what they were. Clerks was an amazing movie, and Bad Taste was just alright, but come on. If you're saying that visually they were any better than this movie you're really just a dorky fanboy who can't admit the truth.

And trust me, this comes from someone who's a much bigger fan of Kevin Smith than I am of whoever directed this. Own Mallrats, Chasing Amy, and Dogma posters? Yes I do. However, I'm also a realist.

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"And as for it being a bona-fide cult film, it already is. Sorry."

Talk to me again in a few years. I think it's way too hasty to say that about a movie that hasn't even hit DVD yet. Since you're such a cult aficionado I'm sure you're aware that the majority of cult classics have become such with their debut on video.
Yes, I agree with you on this point. I'd say that a film couldn't achieve "cult" status until at least five years have passed since its release, and even that might be too little. Any initial buzz needs to have long since worn off, and that takes time.


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10ish years later and I'd say this isn't exactly a cult film (to my knowledge), but it was a good film. I think the 4 precautions you list are exactly right. You should lower your expectations and be looking for the good parts. I was happily surprised that the tone could fit horror and comedy in the same place. Not easy to do. Loved the art themes and absurdities. The end was a perfect follow-up to the beginning. It's 71-ish minutes and I was never bored. There were no blatant false moments that took me out of it. It was semi-B horror flick with comedy so it was allowed to be a bit wacky at times (SPOILER: chain-saw guy falling from the roof).

Also, this director went on to make Blue Ruin and Green Room. So, yeah, I think you can see that this was a talented director from this first film in Murder Party.

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If you buy into hype, it's your own damn fault, not the movie's fault,
I agree that buying something is a person's "own fault", but it's probably not a good thing that this film was hyped a lot. (I actually didn't know that it was, btw, but I'm taking your word for it, especially after seeing a number of other posts on the message board.)

It's a double-edged sword, really. For low-budget indies like Murder Party, the filmmakers can't spend much on conventional marketing, so they have to try to create a word-of-mouth buzz. However, word-of-mouth buzzes tend to create unrealistic expectations. People seeing a film because of a word-of-mouth buzz tend to be more critical than they'd normally be. It's probably due to a combination of "natural skepticism" and a wariness about feeling duped/scammed.

Most people are not going to see most films and think that they're the best thing since sliced bread. So the word-of-mouth marketing has to be careful not to talk about the film in that way. It's tricky. If the word-of-mouth buzz is more humble, it won't prompt folks to see the film. If it's over-zealous, it creates a bit of a backlash.

Anyway, the point of all this is that I don't think we can blame reactions to hype only on the person who had the reaction. You can't buy into hype if the film isn't hyped, and the hype can be far too hyperbolic to not have a reaction to it.
While we're on the subject, this movie is partly for people who love movies. There's quite a few references in this which you should probably get to appreciate the movie. So, if you didn't immediately recognize the girl's costume to be from Blade Runner, if you'd never seen the movie "The Warriors" and thus couldn't get the reference to that movie, if you've never seen "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" and thus couldn't spot costume and humor similarities, then maybe you should quit while you're behind.
While I agree that those things give extra meaning to the film and are worth knowing (and we should expect that an experienced film fan has seen at least a couple of the films referenced), I think it's far more important for seeing the merit of Murder Party that the viewer has seen at least a couple handfuls of low-budget and especially "no-budget" horror films. I don't know exactly what Murder Party's budget was, but it plays as if it was on the fine line separating low-budget and no-budget. And compared to other no-budget horror, at least, Murder Party is excellent.

I do think it has problems when assessed outside of typical no-budget films--primarily that the middle section drags a bit, and feels like it might be there solely to pad out the running time. But the rest of the film is quite good--it mostly rises far above its budget. (My final score, by the way, was a 7.5/10).

It's best to view Murder Party in the context of films like Insaniac (2002), The Bonesetter (2003), The Crucifier (2005), Back Woods (2001), and The Black Witch Project (2001) (yes, Black Witch, that's not a typo for Blair Witch--look it up here on IMDb), as I think that it's more or less coming from the same socio-cultural milieu. Compared to those kinds of films (and there have been tens of others, most just as bad as the ones mentioned), Murder Party does deserve positive word-of-mouth. Just don't overdo it.


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I thought it was a decent film, but the comparisons I've heard so far have been extremely far off the mark. Very Bad Things, Heathers, Jawbreaker... it's more in line with those films than with Evil Dead or some of the other horror movies previously mentioned. I've been reading some of the negative comments on this board, and not a single one of them have actually been constructive or specific regarding the faults of this film. It's mostly been a hodge-podge of "critic" lingo without a single point of reference. The "Acting"? The "Direction"? Do these people even know what these things are or how to gauge the quality of that work? No one was flubbing their lines, they all spoke clearly and with an emotion that helped to define their characters... none of whom were developed to even BE likeable. They were terrible, pompous, arrogant people surrounding an utter loser whose own self-worth is minimal at best.

I don't recall the boom mic dropping into frame, don't recal the dolly shaking in any way that was significant, and I don't remember anyone stepping on one anothers' toes or bumping into eachother as they moved through the scene. The lighting was always good, the effects were impressive and EFFECTIVE, and I didn't see any instances of continuity gaffs. So, please, could one of these very perceptive critics explain where the direction went bad?

It's one thing to not like a movie... I didn't think this was the greatest movie ever, but I was impressed enough to enjoy it. My only real complaint about the movie was the pacing, where I thought it would have been more effective to space out some of the death scenes throughout the course of the film rather than have everything just implode in the last several minutes. But I look back after watching the whole thing and I'm not sure I still believe that... we really had to get to know and be disgusted with The Collective before we could really enjoy their fates.

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You make a fair point but even though it was made with almost zero money and was made by an unknown director it is still *beep*
Ive seen dozens of zero budget films made by people who use friends and family for actors and they are so much better than this.
They werent even trying with this,jesus even the cardboard costume!My kids could make a better one than that.

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lol it bothered me that he wouldn't take it off when running away from the crazy baseball guy!

He could have gotten away if he had just taken it off...But I think maybe the suit was symbolic for something, it seemed to be significant because even at the end of the movie when he makes it home the only thing he takes off is the Hat? and he leaves the rest of it on even though it is drenched in blood... It would be intersting as to what the director was trying to express with the costumes overall. :D

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Almost a year later and ive thought of a zero budget film that literally pisses all over this trash,man bites dog.

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I wouldn't say it was the worst movie I had ever seen but it was definitely pretty bad. It just felt like a bit of an anti-climax. And like another user said the acting really wasn't something worth calling home for.

I went into this movie with an open mind. I've seen many indie movies and low budget flicks and I've definitely seen other directors do much better with even less money. Personally I couldn't give a damn why the movie is crap. I'm still not going to randomly praise it for the sake of the director. Call them as I them. And no your opinion isn't more important than the next person. You're just an ass|hole.

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Meanwhile, it has not achieved cult status.

Sorry, OP. Time has proved you don't know *beep* about *beep*

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haha so glad you saw this post 6 years kater Silhuette. Really funny to read form someone who just saw this piece of garbage

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