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Do you support Kira in his mission??


Is it okay for a high-school kid to take on a mission to be humanity's savior? Especially when it involves mass killing?

What about someone who is incarcerated on petty charges or someone who is framed and is in prison wrongfully? What about the criminals who'll strive to make their lives better after they're out of prison? Do they really deserve to be killed off by Kira like other high-profile criminals? Some people argue that a sacrifice of the few for the good of the many is okay. I certainly wouldn't be okay with being one of the few. Would you?

Their exists a functional system of law and order for dealing with criminals. Granted, the extent of its functionality is shamefully limited and also there's no way to make sure that freed ex-convicts won't commit the same or more heinous crimes again. But does that really justify the actions of an 18-year old trying to play God??

Also, if you were a prisoner, what would you think about Kira?



"It is a crime against God to deny yourself love. It should be the Eleventh Commandment."

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Crime is not always black and white as Kira saw it. Not every crime is punishable by death.

I think that the ending of wars and 70% drop in crime rate is a pure fantasy. Because, killing criminals by itself doesn't help much since it doesn't eradicate the root causes of crime. There will always be more criminals no matter how many you kill, until the socio-economic conditions that make people turn to criminal activities are rectified.

Plus, Kira can't kill them unless they're caught. It's not like criminals aren't aware that they'll have to face consequences if they're caught. And they're committing crimes with the intent of not getting caught.

So, I say, kill the people who have forced us to live in this spiral of poverty and crime. The gap between the rich and the poor is ever-increasing. Targeting high-profile criminals, politicians and head of financial corporations that are abusing the system would be more beneficial.


"It is a crime against God to deny yourself love. It should be the Eleventh Commandment."

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I've talked about this ad nauseam I've come to the conclusion that 70% is either an inflated number to placate Kira, or proof that Kira only intimidates less egregious or entirely self-interested criminals and people that aren't quite desperate enough to risk their life in the commission of crimes. (Which probably just means white collar criminals.) 70% of crimes are not worthy of the death penalty, therefore it's fair to say that the additional 20% contains some of the worst offenses there are. Serial murderers - for example - are usually relatively unconcerned with their eventual capture. It's not intimidating to them because they're psychopaths! Seriously - 70%? Do you know how high that is? You know how many more minor crimes there are below rape and murder? You're cheering for a guy who - statistically- MUST kill people for minor infractions, while lunatics stab people to death without a second thought.

And seriously, stop with the "better world" crap. I've seen you around Space Wolf, I like you, but that's a terrible reading of the show, he was pretentious, that's the whole point of the program. A god complex.

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Great analysis! ^ this!

He used the death note just to suppress his boredom. As he was superior in wit and intelligence to everyone around him, he was bored. Having that amount of intelligence, he handled the incredible power that was bestowed upon him really poorly. Otherwise he also would have been able to become a high-functioning sociopath like Sherlock Holmes.


"It is a crime against God to deny yourself love. It should be the Eleventh Commandment."

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It's a small point, but I think he was driven more by ego than boredom. Though he does say at one point that he "gets bored too," I think boredom was more Ryuk's thing. Light was a narcissist.

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We'll never know for sure because the show never specifies,


It's true; so they never spoonfed us any information.

but, I think it's a little unreasonable to assume that the remaining 30% of the entire world's crimes were serial murders and other horrendous acts, because those types of crimes already make up only a tiny percentage of crimes, even in high crime nations


This is my point. Because they're a tiny fraction they're definitely in there. What's more reasonable, assuming that the remaining 30% includes the most heinous types of criminals; or that the Jeffrey Dahmers, the Ted Bundies, the Zodiac Killers, and the Jack the Rippers of the world are suddenly and inexplicably intimidated by a threat that never stopped them before? One that probably provides the majority of them with an additional - or even vital - thrill. What's the rest of it? I don't know, probably people of lower intelligence, or people who really are getting away with it. So again - is he really helping?

White collar crime itself and political corruption contribute a lot to the poor state of the world, so, if Kira is also targeting those people, it would make sense that the crimes and wars of the world would decline significantly.


Light's political views are never touched upon either. It's not clear that he did target those people. People who talk about the "filth" of society aren't generally looking out for the little guy. And isn't it said that crime dipped back to normal after his death? Stable economies should have formed during his reign, if they had, that should prevent rates from instantly returning to normal. It's also a commonly held statistic that 1 in 5 executives is a psychopath. So again, you're talking about a person who is fearless by definition. Kira may or may not target people with loose business practices who don't break laws, but like you said "we'll never know" but this doesn't have as much common sense behind it as "Serial killers don't generally care too much about being killed." (relative to normal thinking people) I'd say if the rates do return to normal though, that's pretty strong evidence that he wasn't a reformist of any kind.

Did he ever send out a manifesto, demands, an ultimatum, guidelines? He murdered people from the shadows. He made himself a murderer first. He's no revolutionary.

A hypothetical world with 70% less crime and no wars is a better world, no matter how likely it is to happen in real life or not. If, in the show's universe, that's how the Death Note and Kira impacts the world, then, of course I'm going to root for him, god complex or not.


Theoretically a world where everyone is a slave is one with 100% less crime.


Once the heroes kill him and rid the world of this supposed tyrannical murderer with a god complex, they'll have to go back to dealing with crime and corruption at the same level as before.


It's funny that you put it this way, after what I said. If you're really looking at the bigger picture, shouldn't you see that the world should be operating as "otherwise normal" under Kira's rule? Governments still have to operate, the people still need order. If Kira eliminates the bad people - who's left? So as I said before, shouldn't there have been some kind of fortification in place, metaphorically speaking - if there was virtually no corruption, then how does the system become instantly corrupt again? Unless people are inherently evil? Then maybe Kira should have been on a mission to wipe out the human race...


I think the real point of the show is to bring up these questions of morality, it's not supposed to be as black and white as you make it out to be.

Actually the author has stated, something like the opposite in interviews. They said that the point of Death Note is to be entertaining, and that the point of it is not whether or not Light's "proposal" (as it were) was right or wrong, and to explore that, it was that Light was "diabolical."

It actually bothers me a little that the author's dismissive of the moral question the anime brings up, but is pretty definitive about Light being evil.

In some ways both sides are evil, and are only trying to satisfy their own desires regardless of the consequences to others.


I can't stress enough that I think this is WAAY off. L uses questionable tactics to capture Kira, but Soichiro and most of the squads actions are not remotely outside the realm of righteous. Going back to the author Ohba said Soichiro is the only "good" person out of the main characters. There's nothing "evil" about wanting to see a killer brought to justice.

However, Kira's "evilness" led to a world almost free of crime and totally free of war,


It had plenty of crime, and plenty of war, it was just lopsided by a man with a selfish cause and an unfair advantage.

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I'll concede that you have a point; Kira's actions probably had a net positive effect. However, his method was far from optimized; he could've done way more good while causing way less harm. His method was inefficient, unsustainable, and unnecessarily ruthless.

The Death Note is the perfect Sword of Damocles, but it was used tyrannically—the exact opposite of how it should be. Demanding powerful people improve conditions for the general public and killing those who fail to do so (and those who act directly against the interest of the populace—otherwise known as tyrannicide) in order to attain the goal of making things better for everyone I would not have problems with; with great power comes great responsibility. There's still the issue of arbitrarily following the whims of a single person and their views on morality and what the greater good is, but it would still be preferable to having that person handling the insurmountable task of evaluating the case of, and passing judgment on, every person in the world.

In summation: A better way to improve the world would be to focus on changing policies by solely targeting the people in charge. The effects would be both more far-reaching and more long-term.

Don't listen to the negative ones; their arguments are irrational.

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Those wishes read good on paper but it sounds like they would have led to an ever-growing pile of dead politicians and with Kira being the de facto Prime Minister. The hypothetical realization of this political program doesn't sound too promising either. What does "make things better for EVERYONE" mean exactly?" When do you think everyone would declare themselves to be satisfied? How could the situation of a part of the population be improved without harming the prospects of the other? Many important political decisions take effect in the long term, do we trust this new ruler to be patient? Other policies might turn out to be impopular, how would he manage a riot? You think it would be ruthless and unrealistic having this person pass judgment over the death of criminals but letting him govern the lives of everyone doesn't pose a problem...

I can't think of a single way to make a lasting improvement in the world using a "death note". You could basically sort all people in three categories: 1) Those who are driven by their impulses, they cannot supress them or be dissuaded using the threat of punishment; 2) Those who observe the rules for fear of being punished (this is where the majority belongs); 3) Those who are ruled by their conscience, they don't need any type of coercion to do what's right and when they are not looking for any kind of social recognition or gratification they are indeed the rarest breed.
Whether you're using the "death note" to threaten civilians, criminals convicted of violent crimes, politicians or businessmen (we have no reason to believe people responsible of economic and financial crimes would have been overlooked) you are not turning anyone into righteous citizens who will be able to rule themselves, you are only making an impact on the second group intensifying the fear of punishment. Our criminal codes already work in this direction to prevent crime and religions too through "the fear of God" or notions like "karma"; Kira intented to encompass both aspects and he already had many followers, in time he could have had eyes in the whole country and he wouldn't had had to rely on the police databases or the media to get to the criminals. Nevertheless, it seems to me this "improvement" is limited in time and extent, the moment the threaten vanishes the situation will be reverted and despite his delusions of greatness Kira is only a human being, mortal and who can only cover so many cases without having to delegate in others. We'll never know how things would have turned out if he hadn't been stopped but it sounds to me like he would have been an even bigger disappointment despite his concern against crime. He started the day killing off convicted criminals but it wasn't long before he was taking care of everyone who bothered him; he thought too high of himself and gave little value to human life, it was a matter of time before he would have taken things further and assumed the task of purging anyone he would have considered to be useless in his ideal world.

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That's interesting. The Death Note could actually be an argument for a very strict death penalty to be brought in or back to our world today. If you start killing all the people who commit crimes in our world with the same severity that Kira did, would you usher in a world that he ushered in?

So, maybe not petty crimes but what about crimes like rape and above? How would that change our world? Many of those types of criminals are sitting in prison now costing governments a fortune

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No Kira is a douche.

The lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep.

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I support Kira however I would of hoped his ideas and attitudes would have kept progressing. Once violence and war had dropped so much he could of helped implement more positive therapeutic ways of helping and understanding each other instead he just went crazy unfortunately.... Still I agree with what he originally set out to do

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I would of used the book on Justin bieber

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yeah, i support him some time. It's very complicated but the age is not an issue.

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A functional system of law? Don't make me laugh! That is like asking me if I was Hitler what would I think of the Allied army. Duh, buddy, I wouldn't like them, at all. What does age have to do with anything? Do you know how old Alexander the Great was when he started conquering the world? 20 years old. Let me guess, you accomplished nothing at 18, eh?

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I support Kira.If we had someone like him our cruel world would be a better place for anybody.
If I had that Death Note I would do the same thing as Kira.
Killed me what happened to him but he lost his soul with that book,thats true but doesnt matter he did the right thing.

If I was a prisoner, what would I think about Kira?
I am in prison so I shut up and deal with it.
Im not in prison for no reason huh?
Kira only killed the bad people

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Light is a mass murderer. He killed innocent people like Raye Penber, his girlfriend and 100s of FBIs.

Plus living under Kira's rule would be like living under dictatorship.

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I think what light did was sort of right. He sacrificed his own sanity to make the world better. However, i do think his views are a bit too extreme.

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