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The first error spotted?

posted 17 years ago by purple_dave
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I don't think I've ever been the first to spot an error, but I've kinda got mixed feelings about it because it's such a pointless error that it shouldn't have ever been made. I noticed that on Lochley's uniform, the little metal triangle in the collar is rotated 180 degrees so the obtuse corner actually hangs down off the edge of the collar strap. In all the old shots from the DVD, and in the various pics of Lochley that I was able to pull up, the metal triangle should nicely fit the shape of the collar strap.

[–] dboyt99 17 years ago

Not sure if this counts as an error, but in the best buy comic book that's inside the case, Franklin is wearing his black, 4th season "rebel" uniform. Any ideas why that is? I started to think that the comic wasn't supposed to fit into the established timeline, that it was just a nice tribute to the two actors, but then they referenced the events of the comic in TLT.

[–] robin-moss-1 17 years ago

Isn't it obvious? He wears it to impress the laydeez. :^D

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[–] purple_dave 17 years ago

It was probably to make it easy to identify him, given the relatively low quality of artwork. He can't wear an EarthForce uniform, since he resigned his commission. He could wear a standard doctory uniform, but in that format it wouldn't stand out as anything specific. The horky black pin-stripe uniform is not affiliated with anything but a specific group of people, one of which is Dr. Franklin.

Anyways, it does fit within the established storyline...to a certain degree. Obviously, G'kar has to return from beyond the rim for the events of War Without End to work properly, but having them safely off beyond the rim for the time being makes for an easy in-story explanation for why neither character will ever appear in any other filmed works.

[–] action_on_deck 17 years ago

There was a comic with it at best buy? should have bougfht it there.

You're prob right about Franklins uniform. The only people to wear the Army of Light Uniform were Sheridan, Ivanova, Garibaldi, Zack and Franklin. Since Franklin is the only black man to wear it, a black man wearing that uniform in a comic book is obviously Franklin.

[–] DesiredFX 17 years ago

Could that be related to her new rank?

Just throwin' that out there...

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[–] purple_dave 17 years ago

No, everyone, no matter how high or low their rank, wears that little triangle in one of only two ways. On a collar strap pointing to the right shoulder for a male officer, or pointing to the left for a female officer. They have other things that identify rank (can't recall exactly what they look like, but Sheridan gave one to the alien in downbelow during one of Kosh's "lessons", and I believe they attach closer to the upper edge of the collar), and the metal triangle bit never changes color or design that I can recall.

[–] DesiredFX 17 years ago

In "Voices in the Dark," Lochley's a Colonel.

In "Sleeping in Light," ten years later, Ivanova's a General.

At the time Captain Lochley came aboard B5, Ivanova had just been promoted to Captain, so we can assume that Lochley was a bit ahead of Ivanova in her military career at that time.

So the question, down the road here, is...who outranks whom by the time we get to "Sleeping in Light?"

And as a smaller, more important question, shouldn't TLT avoid "warm and fuzzy" scenes like Sheridan and Lochley's reunion, since they're obviously not close enough for her to attend his final banquet?

Or...is Lochley dead by then...? (In which case, she should have been an "absent friend.")

Point being that focusing too much on Lochley's relationship with Sheridan sort of doesn't fit with where the series ends up.

Hm.

(I realize this is a question of it being impossible to include Scoggins/Lochley in SiL as she hadn't even been cast/created, yet, but for continuity's sake, there needs to be a reason why Lochley's not there.)

I'm just tryin' ta be a better canine. My name is Shoeshine.

[–] purple_dave 17 years ago

It does kinda throw a wrench into the gears there, but they did briefly gloss over the fact that Lochley, and not Anna, was Sheridan's first wife. And they actually seemed far more cordial in that one episode than they had at any point in the regular series. Anyways, she could be dead by SiL, or just too involved with something to be able to make it back in time (remember, not everyone who received Sheridan's letter managed to make it there for the Last Supper).

[–] DesiredFX 17 years ago

True enough. It's just one of those things that sort of needs to be danced around, because the canon has her not only not making it to the Supper, but not even being mentioned.

I imagine it's going to be sort of ignored in whatever continuity LT builds, which isn't that big a deal. After all, "Sleeping in Light" was written and shot before they even knew they had a fifth season, not to mention the things that have come to pass in the real world since then.

I mean, in one sense, there really should be G'Kar and Franklin stories throughout the LT continuity, but, of course, there can't be, and in another sense, there really shouldn't be.

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[–] shadesofgray 17 years ago

Thank you--I noticed that too and it was driving me insane. I know its a tiny thing, maybe got knocked off during filming and with all the wear that 8 years in a crate in a soundstage does to it...but still, it reflects sloppy production if they can't even fix something simple like that. I had the incessant desire to reach into the screen and fix her damn collar.

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[–] kooljeff 17 years ago

it's such a pointless error that it shouldn't have ever been made.

And should never have been spotted, let alone mentioned. Time for you to get a life I believe.

[–] DesiredFX 17 years ago

Ooo...the deadly "get a life" response.

Don't tell me...lines like that are what make jeff so "kool," right?

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[–] grumbler 17 years ago

I just watched several episodes of season 2, and in (IIRC) "The Geometry of Shadows" Lou Welch has his collar triangle turned the same way. So this error (if error it is) is not new.

[–] action_on_deck 17 years ago

I reca;; it being mentioned that Cartagia had no heirs, so Ventari as his son is a bit problematic.

[–] DesiredFX 17 years ago

The general consensus seems to be that he is illegitimate but his ties to Cartagia have been confirmed.

Nothing official on that, though.

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[–] grumbler 17 years ago

No more problematical than that Father Cassidy was a priest, or that Asmodeous was a demon.

[–] jbrsj 17 years ago

My brain is busy extrapolating what every little detail of the STORY means to the B5 universe... you've either watched this video a LOT, or you're not involved enough with the story :)

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[–] grumbler 17 years ago

"Easily?" Heirs don't have to be "of age" to be heirs. The position of regent is specifically designed to allow rule by an adult during the minority of the sovereign, and we know for a fact that the Centauri had regents.

This is simple retconning. It is rare enough and minor enough to be readily forgiven, but it cannot be "easily explained away" at all.

[–] Theoden_of_ODU 16 years ago

We don't know exactly how the monarchy in the Centauri Republic works. After all, just on Earth there are many ways of going about it. Some pass over females while others don't. It could be that if they're not "of age" the line automatically passes to someone else permanently.

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[–] frosted_one 16 years ago

Her shoulder boards were incorrect when compared to Colonel Ben Zayn in season 1, he wore the birds in the middle sitting flat she had hers sideways and still had the gold trapezoid that all officers had. I think the collar piece was just loose and no one caught it, when she's talking to the priest at the start it's quite straight.