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Amazing movie

posted 16 years ago by dogalicious14
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After watching this movie, i was amazed that someone actually would make a movie that really portrayed how the war was going on, especially the attack on the civilians of haditha. There have been numerous attacks reported by the american troops on civilians in iraq and likewise the media only shows the killings done by the insurgency, its about time we see the reality of the american war on iraqi civilians. Much of our army is a bunch of idiot kids with near high school education and the movie accurately shows how the top army generals make the little idiots do their dirty work, and when stuff goes wrong its the little guys who pay for it. Someone should make a movie about abu garib and the rapes and torture of iraqi women, damn if that happens there would be just too many movies about how stuff is going bad in iraq thx to our war on terror.

[–] canadamelody 16 years ago

coming out soon on UK REGION 2 DVD is EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION it was first made as RENDITION then they were forced to change the name because of the Hollywood movie of the same name. This British film makes the Hollywood attempt seem like
Sesame Street.

[–] evilmugsy 16 years ago

"Much of our army is a bunch of idiot kids with near high school education and the movie accurately shows how the top army generals make the little idiots do their dirty work, and when stuff goes wrong its the little guys who pay for it."

True! but actually another amazing factor was this movie tried to make the viewer understand all cast's perspectives and motives for their actions. I mean if I was a Marine and I felt that same grief I would have probably turned insane too and done the same thing, but then If I was the angry Iraqi citizen I would have joined the insurgency as well and then think my actions were good only to find out in the end what Al Qaida's real motives are.

Its practically more about how people with ranks both in the Marines and Al Qaida use others to reach their goals. Im mean "jeez" Al-Qaida sacrifices their own people to recruit their youth at the cost of unwilling or unaware civilians then they say they are martyrs? They didn't volunteer for their fight.

Honestly I fail see how this is an anti-american war movie since it doesnt necessarily show how they just burst in anger but their human side and giving in to much grief since even the perfect men cannot control such grief especially at that age.

[–] bogwart-1 16 years ago

Sure, some human side. They callously murder dozens of completely innocent people and then stand by the side of the road for a touching little prayer. What makes them think that there is a god who considers this a good idea?

I agree with you that young men shouldn't have to be dealing with such grief and such wanton and reckless slaughter. The answer is simple: get the *beep* out of Iraq.

Al Qaeda's motives (bearing in mind that they are *not* the same people as bin Laden's aQ - they call themselves aQ in Iraq and are completely different) are the same as any terrorist organisation, and their expectations were clearly expressed by the sheikh. By causing such upheaval and such mayhem people will naturally turn against an occupying force, which happens in this case to be the Americans. It's not rocket science, and it's not new.

An excellent film. It would be good to believe that something good came of all that wasted life - on both sides - but of course it didn't, and never will do.

[–] overninethousand 16 years ago

"Al Qaeda's motives (bearing in mind that they are *not* the same people as bin Laden's aQ - they call themselves aQ in Iraq and are completely different"

Only if by "completely different" you mean "even more extreme".

[–] bogwart-1 16 years ago

No, I mean what I said: "Completely different". They're only called aQ because they know it frightens Americans, who historically are frightened by their own shadows.

And regarding Abu Ghraib, nobody is suggesting that SH was a nice man. But what he did he did to his own people, and overall they were far, far better off than they are now. Imagine 60 million Americans killed or exiled or homeless and you'll get an idea of the scale.

Besides, American propaganda prior to the release of the AG photos and video (and there is tons more that hasn't been released) always represented the US as the shining beacon on the hill. Not a bunch of mindless thugs torturing and humiliating people for fun and kicks.

[–] overninethousand 16 years ago

Nah, they have the same mindset ("kill infidels") plus more of extreme ("kill apostates", who happen to be the most of Iraqis). They formally decided to associate themselves with bin Laden, which is all that is needed to become part of al-Qaeda nowadays (because the organization evolved after their old infrastructure was destroyed in Afghanistan, where even the war now is conducted by Qaeda-ised Taliban who learned to love the suicide bombing which used to be an Afghan tabu).

"But what he did he did to his own people, and overall they were far, far better off than they are now."

Except those who were dug up from mass graves. Or the Kurdish gas attack survivors and their super-creepy genetic diseases.

[–] bogwart-1 16 years ago

You really need to go away and study up on your subject, and stop taking your cues from Fox News.

There is no unequivocal evidence that the gassing was perpetrated by Iran; a CIA field investigator with a great deal of experience says otherwise.

In any case, where do you think the gas came from? Where do you think the "Super-creepy genetic diseases" came from? They came from the same place that gave Hussein satellite photographs of Iranian troop movements and deployments, that's who.

You display the usual American mindset of parochialism and racism when you refer to the Iraqis like that. Prior to the US-instigated Iraq-Iran war Iraq was noted for being the most advanced country in the Ummah as far as womens rights, education and medicine were concerned.

Suicide bombing was unheard-of in Iraq until recently. The people who do it are largely not Iraqi. You should maybe consider than al-Qaeda would not exist if the US hadn't recruited bin Laden to organise it, in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Which was as successful as the American invasion. No country in history has conquered the Afghans.

And, again, the US and the Taliban were best buds prior to 2001, when the oil pipeline from Russia was up for grabs. The Taliban offered up bin Laden to the US after 9/11, provided they could offer evidence. Which of course they couldn't.

I repeat: if you're going to comment on a subject make sure you know about it, rather than repeating crass judgements and opinions from the American MSM.

[–] overninethousand 16 years ago

"You really need to go away and study up on your subject, and stop taking your cues from Fox News."

Megafail. I never watched Fox News in my life.

"There is no unequivocal evidence that the gassing was perpetrated by Iran; a CIA field investigator with a great deal of experience says otherwise."

Yeah, Iran gassed their own soldiers in Halabja and the allied Kurdish militiamen in dozens of villages during Anfal. Also Jews gassed themselves and did WTC.

"In any case, where do you think the gas came from?"

Mostly from Singapore/Arab Emirates (next being Netherlands, Egypt, India and Germany).

"They came from the same place that gave Hussein satellite photographs of Iranian troop movements and deployments, that's who."

And also armed Iran ("Iran Contra Affair").

"You display the usual American mindset of parochialism and racism when you refer to the Iraqis like that."

That's cool, especially since I was never American.

"The people who do it are largely not Iraqi."

Most of AQI (like over 90%) is Iraqi. If this is what you meant. Their Sunni allies are also Iraqis. Shia terrorists ("death squads") are also Iraqi. They are (almost) all Iraqis.

"You should maybe consider than al-Qaeda would not exist if the US hadn't recruited bin Laden to organise it,"

Funny, al-Q was organized after the US interest in Afghanistan dropped to zero.

"in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Which was as successful as the American invasion."

You should learn more about this war. And bin Laden.

By "tabu": there was no incident of suicide bombing reported in Afhanistan during the Soviet-Afghan, or actually until September 9, 2001 (when two Arabs blew up the government's military commander).

"No country in history has conquered the Afghans."

Hey, what about Mongols? Slaughtered, plundered, turned this country from a thriving civilization it was once to the *beep* it is now, then moved on.

Which was not unlike what the Soviets did to the countryside on a smaller scale (they also left mines behind).

"And, again, the US and the Taliban were best buds prior to 2001, when the oil pipeline from Russia was up for grabs."

So, the 1998 Cruise missile strikes against the Taliban-controlled territory were for the show, okay. But what "pipeline from Russia"? Some pipe dreams of you?

"The Taliban offered up bin Laden to the US after 9/11, provided they could offer evidence. Which of course they couldn't. "

Of course. Because Jews did WTC.

"I repeat: if you're going to comment on a subject make sure you know about it, rather than repeating crass judgements and opinions from the American MSM."

I don't even know what "the American MSM" is, but probably some kind of Zionist conspiracy.

[–] shawnr-5 16 years ago

It's funny to see how much Al-Qaeda and those top generals look like eachother! Al-Qaeda is brainwashing their own people and the generals do the same thing to the dumb "patriotic" Americans!

[–] overninethousand 16 years ago

"Someone should make a movie about abu garib and the rapes and torture of iraqi women"

Right. Thousands of people were murdered in Abu Ghraib under Saddam Hussein, while Uday was a well-known serial rapist/killer.