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i hope this is shown in the US

posted 16 years ago by tom-1514
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Having just watched Battle for Haditha .. ( it is a suberb film) , i hope it gets a decent airing in the US, I read somewhere this film is having trouble getting a US distributor. Its not wholly anti American, you get an excellent viewpoint from all sides .. the Insurgents, the Innocent civilians, and the US Marines. Some of the Images from this film will stay with me for a very long time .. very harrowing. Nick Broomfield has made one of the best films about the horrors going on in Iraq.
A must see film in my view. 10/10.

Tom in Sunny Swindon UK.

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[–] fontfunkfactory 16 years ago

i dont know if we should take this movie sirously or not. i havnt been to iraq so idont have any evidence for either side. i think its time that america to cut the crap. we have heard both in movies and interwievs how muslims are cowards. but come on. america is the worlds most armed and teqnically advance war machine. shooting civillians and calling airstrikes on insurgence? if thats not being a covard i dont know....
if america keeps on doing what theyre doin. they wont have any friends left in this world. americans witch are supposed to be sucha religious country , and filled with moral...
what happens when the police of the world does something wrong. who can prosecute and judge them?
the nuclear bombing of japan!
the vietnam war
iraq
i guess the only answer is the american people....
sorry people on imdb for putting this up. its a forum for film discussion. but this was a powerfull movie. and im just so sick of this *beep*

[–] Theo Robertson 16 years ago

I think you should apologise for writing something before you have any grasp of the English language

[–] p0stduif 16 years ago

theo you moron, american english is probably your primary language and my guess is it's the only one you speak.
most people on here are not from the states or the uk and use english as a second or third language.
my primary language is dutch but i have no problem communicating in english, german and french.
i also understand mandarin chinese and thai fairly well.
i think you should shut the *beep* up about other people's ability to communicate in foreign languages just because you think your country is under attack.

[–] sockstar1 16 years ago

->your a professional soldier made jobless by a an Occupying force. How do you feed your family, and wouldn't you feel some resentment to the occupation forces for making you jobless.

That guy must have missed you know, the unlimited positions in the new iraqi army and police that a professional soldier would easily be able to get. Unless he was a hardcore baathist and he regularly murdered people in cold blood he would still get in. Sounds like a cop-out to excuse terrorism and murder.

The US are doing the exact opposite of making the professional soldiers jobless. They are training as many of them as good as they can be to help them defend their own country and people without needing 100,000's of US soldiers.

[–] psycosmos 16 years ago

Yeah, great idea davidbowiewau.

Just think about it this way: Someone invades your country, kills countless people in the process and then you want to work for them.

I'm sure he and his family will enjoy being marked as traitors.

[–] fontfunkfactory 16 years ago

yeah english isnt my primary language im from sweden. i also speak japanese. but its kinda typical i still think u got what i was trying to say. and comments like yours just increase the lack of respect people have for you and your country...im asuming that your american.
and maybe you should apologize for being a jerk ? i think i know more about your country than you know about my country. at least that doesnt make me ignorant.

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[–] opaz 16 years ago

Hey, it´s not easy being swedish. We are communist liberals controlled by the EU that has been the puppet of USA since WW2. We are encouraged to support the liberation of Tibet, Kosovo, Kurdistan and Palestine but we aren´t even allowed to wave a swedish flag or sing our national anthem, because that would be racist. And we are all very happy at the prospect to become a minority in our own country because we are taught in schools that we are the only people in the world that never had any culture at all. Swedish isn´t even the official language in Sweden, the socialists think that it´s unnecessary since we´re just going to be a tiny part of the EU anyway. We only have official miority languages which are finnish, tornedalsfinnish, samish, jiddisch, romani and sign language.

Also, the reason we were neutral in WW2 was because everyone said that there wouldn´t be any more wars after WW1, and we invested heavily into becoming an important factor in the newly formed League of Nations that would guarante peace and security, Hjalmar Branting even got the Nobel Peace Prize because of our dedication to peace. So our leaders had disbanded most of our military when the Soviets, Japanese and the Nazis started cutting deals with eachother and invading countries.

We did launch planes to defend Finland from the Soviets though, and we helped the Germans to defend Europe with high quality steel, right up to when the tide turned and the Allies had to race towards Berlin to prevent the Soviets from occupying all of Europe.

Don´t forget that EU gave us the responsability to lead the new Northern EU-defence, Nordic Battlegroup, one of the quick response forces that will replace our national defences in the future State of Europe. Regrettably we are having trouble scrounging up the euro needed to fund the project, since our military is run on an extremely tight and inefficient budget, they even have to pay overpriced market rent for their own bases and depots.

In the meanwhile, they have recieved a new Coat of arms, which caused an uproar among our feminists because like all other lions, it had a penis and it should be removed as to not offend. The designer objected, because historically a heraldic coat of arms of an animal without a penis was given to nobels who had disgraced themselves as traitors and cowards in the eyes of the crown. Something that was deigned fitting for our new EU-troops, because they did as the feminist said and removed the poor lions penis.

(No penis anymore) -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Coat_of_arms_of_the_Nordic_Battlegroup_of_the_European_Union.svg

I´m glad that Sweden has finally left our little duckpond and are making important decision for all of Europe. Hopefully we can do much more in a few years, perhaps encourage the rest of Europe to adopt our immigration policy. We currently recieve a whopping 11% of the worlds asylum seekers, even though we are only 1% of the industrial world.

Nr1 USA: pop 302 million and 49,200 asylum seekers.
Nr2 Sweden: pop 9 million and 36,200 asylum seekers.
Nr3 France: pop 61 million and 29,200 asylum seekers.

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/news/opendoc.htm?tbl=NEWS&id=47de91da2

[–] RobinGottfridsson 16 years ago

Hehe, väldigt bra sagt Opaz, men är du rasist ellr hehe? Svenska är fortfarande vårt officiella språk...

Screenwriter, what are you?

[–] neillus182 16 years ago

shame on you man, im scottish and id never tell someone to speak better english, you sound like one of those racist neds i remember from school

[–] jhseeker 16 years ago

wow - pretty cool discussion guys, way to go!

I feel like such a jerkoff in your company your all so educated n'all.

Hey, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't language itself kinda political too?

That's pretty goddam topical if you ask me

He's from Scotland? Hey, he sure ditn like bein mistook for an americain did he ?

Nope, the way I figure its all that 'I'm from here your from there' baloney that gets us into trouble in the first place.

[–] TheMachinistSleeps 12 years ago

wow - pretty cool discussion guys, way to go!

I feel like such a jerkoff in your company your all so educated n'all.

Hey, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't language itself kinda political too?

That's pretty goddam topical if you ask me

He's from Scotland? Hey, he sure ditn like bein mistook for an americain did he ?

Nope, the way I figure its all that 'I'm from here your from there' baloney that gets us into trouble in the first place.

I want you to promise me that you will never procreate. Please.

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[–] sakala 16 years ago

How about you learn some other languages before you start criticizing others for being multilingual?
Oh, yeah...maybe you are just not able to learn anything else...

[–] AtheistRevolution 16 years ago

So because we have advanced military technology we aren't being fair to people that would decapitate a reporter and blow up grocery stores? Well they weren't exactly being fair blowing up civilians. I feel so sorry for the head chopping bastards. How was nuclear bombing Japan a crime? It was a war that they started. And if that was necessary to end the war instead of getting millions more killed then it was a good decision.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.

[–] losahdanny 16 years ago

"the yanks will pay for their war crimes, i hope they get nuked like they did the civilians of japan"

an eye for an eye isn't really the best way to go. you wouldn't want the same to happen to your country would you?

[–] rhezdekus 16 years ago

What a pathetic statement to make, p0stduif. Did you even take a basic history course?

The bombing of Japan was made after the end of a war, in which the Japan initiated aggression against the US, and which the US President was attempting to stop instead of having to invade the Japanese home islands. Furthermore, there is an event known as the "Rape of Nanking" in which THOUSANDS of Chinese were raped and/or executed by the Japanese troops. What happened in the Battle for Haditha is a very terrible moment for the US military, but it does not even compare to what the Japanese military did at that time. THAT is genocide - THAT is wholesale murder.

And yet, here you are, wishing the deaths of thousands of Americans. Good going being exactly what you supposedly hate.

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[–] landaishan 16 years ago

wow, postduff that is the most incredibly ignorant sh*t ive ever heard

[–] samsan_lee 16 years ago

War should be avoided, due to the human toll of suffering, but a republic cannot resist this call as long as the media is subservient to corporate interests.

The new military are toys for rich politicians who have distanced themselves, yet pace the drum beat to war. I think the mainstream media(not Frontline or PBS), has complied.

Hoping Battle for Haditha, and the upcoming Body Of War will be a new call to the public.

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[–] bobbyh2 16 years ago

You fools, or should I say bagots!!!!

There is nothing to justify dropping atomic bombs on civilians. Some of you people just don't get it. You read stuff and can just point them out as if you were saying things that actually made sense.

From what I read, its alright to kill hundred of thousands because a country committed atrocities? If thats the case, why not just blow Germany up including their civilians? That damn holocaust was twisted and evil. Lets be serious, what country with power hasn't done evil? Look at Columbus (America has a holiday because of him and also forces children in schools to learn about him being the brave founder of America). Columbus was an evil business man period.

And Dog-Star-Man, you patriotic ahole who loves to be filled with American propaganda. Why are you so upset about the Japans sneaking up on us on Pearl Harbor? If anything its just a war tactic. Stop trying to give excuses for the dropping of the bombs. Again, you can't ever accept that the US have done cruel things as well. Your like a child who brings up another topic and reason to hide from the truth. "Oh yeahh...well look at the Japanese, they killed 200,000 during the event known as the Rape of Nanking!!!"

This thread is now off topic because of people like you (and me).
As with this movie being shown in the US is something I'm wondering about as well. When will it be released? Why not put it in the theaters?

[–] kindred090 16 years ago

Wow...I'm amazed at all this. Everyone on here keeps going round and round about the same old crap. America ISN'T perfect. Every county makes mistakes...every single one. EVERY country goes to war in order to gain something. I don't believe America went to war for oil, from everything I've read, which isn't everything obviously, I haven't been able to find any proof of that being a reason. Personally, I don't believe America should have pulled out of Iraq when we found out there were no WMD. If they had I believe they (Iraq) would be in even more turmoil than it is now. Civilians get killed in every war. It is deplorable but it is what happens. I do not believe it is sanctioned or acceptable but if your at war bad things happen. Mistakes are made. How a country addresses and handles these is equally important. I understand the families being upset about what happened in Haditha and anywhere else such a massacre occurs, but do they also complain the the insurgents that light off bombs in public places and kill innocent civilians?

Contrary to what some of you might think NO country goes to war by choice. If a person was to make it public that he hates you, wants to kill you, is doing whatever he can to harm you or yours would you strike first? I believe Israel has stated that if Iran were to gain Nuclear Weapons that they would strike first. I don't hear a lot of complaining about countries that say Israel should be wiped off the face of the map. I don't hear anyone discussing the death of untold people in religous wars across the globe now or in times past.

As for the language issue, America is behind the times and should strive to learn other languages..but They didn't force English to be spoken so broadly and you deffinatly didn't choose to learn it. Your countries pushed for it so that they could trade and deal with America and England.

I am of the opinion that any great nation rallies to help the less fortunate. I am a firm believer that America should be doing more to help the 3rd world countries who's populations are being slaughtered across the globe. But America shouldn't be the only one, nor should they foot the bill.

Some of you sound so ignorant. Makes me wonder if you feel Slavery was America's fault as well. Or that America was the only perpetrator in the fall of Native American Civilization. America has done some dark things, no doubt about it. But you can't say otherwise about any country. Either they have physically or economically done something for personal gain at the expense of another people or country. And for those countries that choose to stay neutral when "crimes against humanity" take place you are just as guilty.

[–] Trajanc 16 years ago

QUOTE: " SNEAK ATTACKED at Pearl Harbor by the Japanese"

The 'sneak' part is really irrelevant. It offends some people but it's war. Few nations kick off a war saying hey we are attacking here.

The attack on Pearl Harbour (in America's colonially occupied non-state) killed about 2500 people, sank a bunch of ships and destroyed some planes and other stuff.

Citing it as justification for dropping a-bombs on 2 cities is imho really weak.

Other stuff mentioned in the post is relevant. Pearl Harbour is not. Japan was never going to 'defeat' and occupy or conquer the US. Other countries yeah but not the US.

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[–] Trajanc 16 years ago

Ahh, I understand. That makes sense.

[–] rhezdekus 16 years ago

Uh, dougpickering5, a BUNCH of stuff happened between Pearl Harbor in '41 and the dropping of atomic weapons in '45. You know, the entire Pacific Theater and all that "stuff."

But, the fact is, the attack happened, even though you oddly seem to be trying to minimize the attack's importance. Oh, and the part about "America's colonially occupied non-state" is irrelevant too, but thanks for giving us more of your anti-American insight.

And the conflict was just about the threat of Japan occupying the West Coast. Have you actually studied WW2, because you really seem to be lacking of substantial understanding of the conflict.

And that seems to be a trend: We have people that do not even seem to have a layman's understanding of the conflict, let alone approaching a colledge-level comprehension, and yet, here they are, waggling their fingers at us.

Silly.

[–] Trajanc 16 years ago

rhezdekus, you have managed to make a post that is stupid and condescending at the same time. Well done.

Is this a typo?

QUOTE: "And the conflict was just about the threat of Japan occupying the West Coast. "

Did you leave out the word 'not?' Because that would make your statement actually make sense.

A bunch of stuff did happen between 41 and 45. Wow. Ty for pointing that out. It's so @#$%ing pathetic and stupid for you to say that but it is really helpful since my whole point might have been that what happened between 41 and 45 or between 31 and 45, what happened to other countries, what happened to the occupied nations, any of that is better justification for annihilating hundreds of thousands of civilians than Pearl Harbour. Hence my comment in my previous post 'other stuff in your post is relevant.'

And the 'colonially occupied non-state' quote is from The Onion's piece on Pearl Harbour in their book Our Dumb Century, a funny and insightful historical and political satire. I'll try to remember that they are ignorant anti-Americanists. Side note, my bad for not using quotation marks. Fun and games aside I'm tempted to say that you saying it's irrelevant shows your lack of a deeper understanding of these events but given the limits of our exchange that would be presumptuous and boorish. Like your comments.

Still good job parsing my comments to setup your soap box. The person I responded to understood. Your comments are just irrelevant.

[–] bricksnmortar82 11 years ago

In 1941, Hawaii and Alaska were basically colonies of the US, with no feelings of strong attachment among the US public, and were very sparsely populated by any Americans excluding varying numbers of those working on gov't/military projects. Except perhaps those moving to Alaska hoping to find gold, or fishermen lured over by its abundant fishing industry.

The two were given the regonition as proper US states later on in the 1950s because of the roles they played during WWII, including enemy attack and/or occupation, and perhaps most importantly because of their advantageous geopolitical features in terms of 'fighting' the Cold War could help the US secure global hegemony as the new Rome or Britain. And because word had by then gotten out what an absolute brilliant paradise Hawaii is...

But, ask yourself why Guam's still not good enough to become a US state. Or PUERTO RICO, for that matter!

PS - I sometimes hear Texans brag about how their state was once it's own 'country' when it was the 'Republic of Texas' 1836-45. It was, without international recognition, for just barely under a decade, and under highly dubious circumstances. In a modern international court of law, it'd be rightly returned to Mexico as the state of Coahuila-Tejas.

Hawaii, however, was a truly independent state (even before 'discovery' by Westerners), whether as the Kingdom of Hawaii, the Republic of Hawaii, or any other state until their annexations by Western powers, the latest of which was, of course, the US. So it was also a nation, country, state, and a monarchy/kingdom.

Better story than Texas if you go read the two histories.

[–] cupid_shot_you 16 years ago

dudes, lets leave politics to the professionals. Some of the stuff mentioned here are... wow, one sided. A country don't just risk everything and go to war because they are dickheads. Things that happened in the past, are happening now, and will happen in the near future affects the actions of a nation.

And let's face it. Would be good presidents either never had a chance to run for presidency or assassinated. To run for presidency these days you gota have rep and money. You gota be rich already (god knows what one did to get that rich) or kiss some sweet selfish corporate buttocks for support. That's why the 2004 election was about choosing between a "bad" president (Bush) or "worse" president (Kerry).

And instead of hating, why not try loving. Be pro-peace rather than anti-war. You will feel alot less angry.