Americans.. accept the truth

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eaholum, your a brainless *beep* wait. It's people like you made other people want to crash planes into your country for revenge. Imperailistic bastards always blind themselves by thinking they are the "good guys"

Brainless piece of *beep*

For "toecutter-7"
Even you are one of those fighting against Bush junior or whatever president could come, you are an american that mean you are in war against every other people in the world and I will tell you what the reason is. Excuse my english, is not perfect (not beeing native speaker). First point america is not a country is an affair, a bussiness. Your country is based on extinction of other race (the native americans, the amerindians). You also as americans (continuing the british legacy) have created the corporatist style that is a plague to all human or living creature on earth and earth itself. I recommend you a movie "The end of Suburbia", is very well explained how it's keeped your style of life. You as americans are a plague to all other peoples because you consume more than 5 billion peoples, you waste the earth ressources and finally you think that is a good way. You consume more than you can afford normally, but you thing it's correct, you are in debt for eternity but you also draggs all other country to this, you start the eternal war but continue to think that is for democracy, the reason for starting this war is obviously wrong and fake (thinking of 911) but you continue to tell us that you know more than us and that you are right to do so.
Look, I have nothing against you personally but you have an imperialistic way to see things, first no empire until those day did nothing without an interest, second america is always in war with somebody (starting in WW2 acting as a world power), war that is producing money not for all the peoples but for a few gods (thinking that 1% or less of the population own 90% of the planet), third america is applying the way it fit better for its own interests, droping bombs if necessary, changing leaders, fighting for or against democracy if interests are demanding, etc. You could not agree with me because you are american, but we all see what is resulting after decisions took it by your leaders and would not be such a big problem if not applying by force all over the world.
I am from Romania, a country sold by americans and brits to the russians, a country bombarded by americans, a country where american soldiers are above laws, a country where all was sold and now owned by a corporation, where the minimum salary is about 150 euro, so don't tell me those stories about democracy and fight for freedom. I have not the time to write about all the problems because is boring but I hope that will come the day when you will fight for survival as we are doing right now, all the proud americans that you are! What I don't understand is why you take the side of leaders proves tehemselves to caching facts from their own citizens (see UFO stories, experiments made on peoples, drug tests, nuclear tests, etc). In your history is a lot of facts demonstrated with proves that your government made all those things but you are agree to them, you still support them even if not practically but in theory, and finally saying is about democracy. Is not for democracy, is for some elites the possibilities that they take everything from us and let us starving and praying for a dime or a slice of bread. How I already said, I hope that you as american citizen will feel on your own skin the benefits of your own medication (war, democracy, education, starvation, lack of choices, isolation, desperation, etc) but presented in a nice form of applying the new rules, new orders, etc, all under the statement that this way will protect you from harm inflicted by terrorists or some other creation of politicians. Read if you don't believe me 1984 or see the movie, see Brasil, The Manchurian Candidate, etc. And don't bother to reply with the same arguments as before in some earlier posts, I am old enough to not make statements because I saw in a movie. And by the way, the incident presented in this movie is real, read in Wikipedia or softpedia, is easy to search with google, and in the history were always incidents like this, don't forget that you are descendants of the creme of Europe (escapists, former prisoners, inmates, dezertors, adventurers, mobsters, criminals, etc) and your country is founded above the bodies of an exterminated population and with the gun in the hand. You still are a gun thinkers but you also have the disrespect to not even think about this.
Un liber cugetator care are curajul sa gindeasca si altfel decit majoritatea

Its always funny to read americans defend the attack on Iraq. Yes, Saddam was an dictator, BUT it was YOUR dictator, installed by the USA. YOUR goverment helped him so long as he was useful for you. And nobody in those think thanks was thinking about the poor iraqis who suffered all the time. As soon as he wasn't any help anymore and turned against the USA he had to vanish. So maybe it is your job to get rid of an dictator you installed in the first place, but don't try to tell us its because of the poor poeple of Iraq, who had to suffer under a dictator.

If the US is so democratic why did it installed/helped dictators all over the world?

Interesting thread... not for the topic, but to see the reactions. Using the killing of the Polish as an example is badly concieved. The Poles were 'exterminated' as a matter of national German policy, the actions of the state, not just a few, individiual soldiers. Reducing it down to just the bare actions, the atrocity itself, is way too limited and short-sighted. Devoid of context there are similarities, but it's a heavily contrived attempt to equate imo.

Given all that, there is a valid point raised by the OP, which cannot be denied. Propaganda in the US is not just rife, it's endemic (witness the hiding of US casualties and the blackout on dead Americans). mmmPeachy, I tip my hat to you, and I fully appreciate you are not alone in your opinions. That said, it is far too typical for Americans to defend and refuse such things, swallowing the propaganda whole.

I am English, but I have no apprehensions whatsoever in accepting and believing that British troops also committed atrocities, that innocent people were slaughtered and tortured, and that many soldiers simply despise the Iraqi people. It's horrible but it's reality. I see no reason to defend or deny that and readily admit it. And my view is hardly untypical in my country, which is the difference being pointed out I believe.

Contrast that with the typical American response to something like this and you can quickly see that the most typical reaction is to raise shields and go on the defensive, to put forth a multitude of mitigating factors, to explain it away and paint it as 'reasonable in war'. I see/hear this far too often and it stinks but it's unsurprising given the massive propaganda the US pours into portraying soldiers as 'heroes' - a phrase you hear ALL THE TIME from Americans. I suppose the collision of reality against fantasy is just too jarring for many Americans raised on the American propaganda of the hero soldier and the heavily distorted "romanticization" of war.