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The burden of PROVE? Really? And you continue to use YOUR and YOU'RE interchangeably, yet you say you have a masters. What an idiot and a liar.

By the way, I may not be going for my masters, but I'm taking my LSATS and should be in law school by '09. I guess you'll be in imaginary PhD school by then getting your PhD in Phd studies. You're just a moron. Timmy is taking your arguments apart nad it's clear that you're lost, you're not even familiar with the arguments. Go google and paste a response.

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why would i lie about having a masters?

did someone ever ask me what it was in before?

why change the subject to personal attacks, from the fact that burden of prove is on you and you know it?

have your ever taken a logic and reasoning class? if you have, once again, you would know that the burden of prove is on proving god exists. you cannot say theres no prove that something doesn't exist and then claim that's prove that it exists. if you can't see that, i'm sorry but i can't help you.

Holy crap, you keep using burden of prove. It's burden of PROOF. "you cannot say theres no prove that something doesn't exist and then claim that's prove that it exists" Again, the word here is PROOF not PROVE. I'm pretty sure your imaginary masters wasn't in English. ANd you're talking about the concept of proving a negative. I understand it fully I wasn't saying that you had to prove God doesn't exist, I was making fun of your retardation, and inabilit to spell properly. God's existence is not a matter of proof for me, it's a matter of faith. I don't need proof, I simply believe. Just like scientists believe that protons, neutrons and leptons exist yet no one has ever seen them. Our universe our very existence tells me there's a God. Read Aquinas, he makes very good arguments.

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I'm not trying to convert anyone, moron. When have I asked anyone to believe in what I believe in?

If you are some agnostic pesamist who believes there might be a God,but He doesn't know our names, what kind of God is that? I mean, doesn't the fact that this is GOD an immortal being make it that He is powerful enough to know all things? What are you an idiot or something? My last comment which I apologized for stands. The only person seeking conversions here is you.

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i have to read aquinas so i can know that there is a god? sounds like fact to me

if your going to comment on grammar or spelling errors you should probably check yourself..."ANd", "inablit"

anyway, it's really pretty pathetic that you have no arguments so you launch personal attacks about my spelling (which i don't proofread on here and im not about to start, im doing this while i work while i assume your sitting at the computer all day waiting to argue with people like me) and talk about philosophers.

and then...you pull out the old faith card. you don't need proof, it's faith. that is about the biggest cop out that exists. you can have faith in yourself having the ability to pick up an attractive women trompos, but that doesn't mean you'll be able to find one that's not a pimple-faced monstrosity. or maybe your gay? is that why your so religous? are you ashamed and can't face reality so you needed to live by a crutch which you refer to as faith? how many little boys have been touched in the name of faith??? how many people have been murdered in the name of faith??? (sorry, i know i just launched a personal attack and then trailed off...but thats pretty muich what you do... you rip on me spelling a word wrong, question my degrees, then talk about faith and start naming philosophers).

anyway, i hope you die of aids...enjoy it trompos!

god is a superstition

I asked that you read Aquinas so that you can review his arguments for the existence of God, NOT to make you believe in God, I honestly don't care if you ever convert, I wouldn't preach to you, it would be pearls before swine.

I love how you clutched at straws for spelling error son my part. And is NOT a misspelled word, it is properly spelled A N D it's just that the second letter is capitalized (due to my holding the shift key for a split second because I type to quickly. It wasn't "inablit" it was "inabilit" (if you're going to nit-pick try getting it right) which was a typo, and not a misspelled word, it was a typo, I missed the Y at the end my keyboard probably got stuck. You keep spelling YOUR instead of YOU'RE which is NOT a typo, it's stupidity.

This quote is a glaring example of your sheer stupidity;

"how many little boys have been touched in the name of faith???"

Really? They were molested in the name of faith? I thought they were molested because the priests as INDIVIDUALS were perverts who wanted to molest boys, not because it was a religious mandate. Are you retarded? The child molestation was never done "in the name of faith" you idiot.

I also don't dwell on personal attacks, I destroyed your arguments (if you want to call them that). You not only fail to convince me that you have a masters, you sound like a 14 year old who read 2 or 3 things on wikipedia.

Lastly, faith is not a cop out you idiot. Faith keeps our economy rolling, US promissory notes are not based on anything but a promise that it is worth something, it is this FAITH that we rely on. FAITH tells us that there are atoms, FAITH tells you that there is no God, as you can not prove his nonexistence. You don't have to prove it to me in this argument, but you do have to prove it to yourself in order to truly believe it, otherwise it's a matter of FAITH.


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I'm sorry I can't take you seriously when you use words like "spreaded" and "aight" (both aren't even real words).

To respond to your question, European explorers did what black people are doing now, they simply depicted Jesus in their own image. I never said Jesus was white, I doubt very seriously he was, I also don't think He was black. He was/is probably ethnically Arab. He would have a tanned complexion, and dark eyes and hair. If you look at any Palestinian today you're probably getting a good idea of what Jesus looked like. They are NOT black, hate to burst your bubble.

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you have not destroyed one single thing...you continue to twist words and point out spelling errors while you haven't provided one shread of evidence because none exists. then you say you've torn what i said apart.

oh im sorry, you did provide some some evidence....you said you have faith.

dude it's pathetic...get a life...it would probably be better for everyone if you just drank a bottle of liquor and drunk drove into a wall

You really have no arguments for me to counter, you haven't presented any. I asked you to explain why faith in the NON-existence of God is ok, but my faith is not. I asked you to tell me why faith in atoms and sub-atomic particals is ok but mine is not. We know atoms MUST exist, we know that if they exist they must be made of something, yet we can not see these things. We know because logic and reason tell us they must be there. When looking at the universe we KNOW God MUST exist. We know that had the earth been just a few degrees off its axis, or a few degrees too hot or too cold, life would be impossible, yet we're here. This is no accident, God is real. You can't prove He's not, you can't prove He is, we're both using faith.

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we are not both using faith!!! there is no proof that god exists just as there is no proof that bigfoot exists. you are the one who needs to prove something exists! you don't have to prove that things don't exist...again...that's a backwards, illogical arguement. go to college and take a damn logic class you uneducated fool

Don’t you need to prove that God does not exist if you are calling yourself an "Atheist"? Your use of logic to discredit him is hypocritical and flawed that is why it bothers me! The key is that you are denying the existence of a God as a possibility with no empirical evidence, just like bible thumper sheep.

What is your theory on existence pugliesechris? You have no idea whether matter and the Universe always were or if some sort of being that’s always been created it all.



Why not just allow him to thump away and follow something? It seems to be a part of human nature i mean 200 people were able to be convinced that David Caresh was God, at least Christianity in most forms is a positive you are just not going to change this side of human nature there are too many of them.

I would hardly call myself a "Bible Thumper". A Bible Thumper is a person who preaches to those who do not want to be preached to, I'm simply having an argument with an obviously stupid person who fancies himself an intellectual after taking one logic class at the local community college. Simply being a person of faith does not make one a Bible thumper automatically.

Anyway, thanks for the support, sort of.

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first of all you dont need to tell me things i already know trompos...

second...logic does not say god exists....and didn't you say before faith told you god exists??? your switching your arguments again...arguments that never worked in the first place

i dont care what you believe...but stop attacking me for thinking logically and not believing in superstitions....

if you need a crutch like religion it doesn't mean i do to

Evidently I do have to tell you things, because it's apparent that you don't know them.

I said that I don't need proof to tell me God exists, I've said from the beginning that LOGICALLY God's existence is evident. My faith comes from a logical understanding that there must be a Creator. Now you do know the difference between PROOF and LOGIC right? There is EVIDENCE that God exists which adds to the logical understanding, again, there is a difference between EVIDENCE and PROOF. So no I'm not switching any arguments, you would know that if you weren't stupid.

I need no crutch, you obviously need a crutch by lying about your education and trying to disprove a person's faith.



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I get it, you're a college student who's taking a logic class or just recently took one, that's why you keep bringing this up. Again, it's called proving a negative, if you want to challenge my request for you to prove the alleged non-existence of God then please learn the term for what you're challenging. I have no proof that you're computer is not made out of jelly but through the use of logic I'm pretty sure your computer is NOT made of jelly. I have no proof that God exists, yet LOGIC tells me that there MUST be a Creator.

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Aparently you've been watching Malcolm X and you got all riled up about it. The old argument that white being good and black being bad is just silly. White people aren't white and black people aren't black. Black (the color) being evil, or dirty is something that has emerged in all cultures independently of one another. This isn't ethnocentric or some kind of European conspiracy. The Japanese have a tradition of speaking of the belly much like westerners speak of the heart, to have a BLACK belly is to be evil, this is why the samurai would commit hari kari or Seppuku (literally translated as belly cutting)they wanted to show that their belly was not black. This was not racially centered it just a basic human dislike of the color black. When things are soiled they are black, when things are pure (such as snow) they are white it's an innate sentiment not a racist one.

Angels are depicted by artists in many ways that are not truthful. The truth is that angels are not human they are celestial beings with no race. They also have no gender nor are they the chubby little babies in paintings, they're fierce warriors not cuddly little babies. Artists simply depict angels and God and everything in their own image, black people often depict angels, Jesus and God as black, Asians as Asian. This is not exactly racially motivated, that is to say that it is not done from a position of superiority. The most famous religious artistic works are from the Italian Renaissance most other artists copy that tradition and hence make their angels white.

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what evidence have you presented that exists?

you're very defensive...especially when accusing me of lying about my education again which i have no reason to do. is that just because you don't have an education? let me guess...high school diploma from a school arkansas where you learned intelligent design in a science class???

there is no logical reasoning for god's existing...just saying their is doesn't make it so. and im sorry, but using faith as a reason is a crutch.

I've given you evidence. OUR very existence, the order of our universe of our planet, the fact that life (ANY LIFE) would be impossible had the earth been just a few degrees off, had their been a slight deviation in gasses in our atmosphere there would be no life. Our universe, our bodies our planet has so much order that there MUST be a design to it. This is all evidence, again, it is not PROOF as proof and evidence are two different things, but you're too much of a moron to understand this.

You also continue to bring up your bogus education, you're the one being defensive. All you do is bring up this "education" and the fact that I don't believe that you have a masters. I don't believe you because your atheist arguments sound as if they come from a combination of Internet sources and some old guy you met at a bus stop once and told you it was stupid to believe in God. I also keep thinking about the time you copied and pasted a response from a crappy website to counter my arguments about the existence of Jesus. That is not the mark of an educated man. That is the mark of a stupid person with no arguments of his own. I can have a very good debate, and intelligent one with atheists but those guys actually do some reading, they even read things they disagree with as I do, You refuse to read Aquinas which most educated atheists do. Another thing atheists I argue with do is respect the opposing person's beliefs, you have no intention of doing that this is a sign of a person who is hurting inside. Christianity, and Christians themselves are fair game for insults God forbid a Muslim or Jew is attacked for their SPECIFIC religion. But that's ok, you keep thinking your way.

So read the above, take the evidence and counter it with your own if you are capable. That, or you can just make lame jokes about Christianity.

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See how you idiots are? You can;t have a disagreement without being hateful. Come in, tell me you don't believe in God that you don't believe in angels you can have your beliefs without the negative comments.

Your little play on my signature (which was crude and stupid, you could be a little more clever) shows that it's true what I say about atheists, you believe in God, you just Hate Him. For that I pity you.

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your signature just creeps me. why your signature is like that? thats why i copied and changed it. hehe.
im not an atheist. im a catholic. and i dont trust religions.
but organized religions are just crazy.

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The constant parroting of the stupid "organized religion is stupid BAHK!" You all say the same thing and you don't know what it means. What's funny is that you call yourself a Catholic yet denounce organized religion.

My signature "creeps" you? My religious beliefs are somehow creepy? How? Why? I am simply stating my love for my Creator, my Savior how is that creepy?

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trompos...you attacked people before anyone else...so let's not act like you're the greatest person here.

the last 5 times i brought up my education it was after you questioned it...even though i have no basis to lie about that. i do have a masters, and if you can't accept that because you're less educated but think you're smarter...than i dont know what else to tell you.

do you really think your arguments you just layed out (for the first time by the why) consititute proof? because if the planet was a degree or 2 off at certain times we wouldn't exist is proof? the universe in infinite...the idea that there would be planets without life when there is an incomprehensible number of them is far more unlikely. and what constitutes life to you? almost all of the billions of life forms on this planet would exist whether we were here or not....the reason there is a god is because we are here? humans are some all-mighty beings and not just extremely complex animals???

ill actually toss you a bone for a second...i do agree that christians in our country are picked on more than jews and muslims and it is more accepted. in my opinion they are all horrible and religion in general leads to mostly nothing but problems...but i also appreciate the fact that i can disagree with your beliefs without an angry mob at my door ready to bomb my home.

There you go again with that masters. FIne, you have a masters, but obviously it's not in reading comprehension.

"do you really think your arguments you just layed out (for the first time by the why) consititute proof?"

NOOOOOO! I even made this clear in my post. Here's a quote;

"This is all evidence, again, it is not PROOF as proof and evidence are two different things, but you're too much of a moron to understand this."


Then you ask again;

"because if the planet was a degree or 2 off at certain times we wouldn't exist is proof?"

Again, NO! I gave you evidence, not proof. Surely a learned man of your education can understand the difference between evidence and proof right?

I'd also like to say that it was not I who started with the insults. You came in to this thread stating that Jesus does not exist and did not exist in history. You began with the attacks on my religion without my saying word one to you.

I also haven't said anything about your education other than a response to your pushing the idea that you have a masters on every post. Who are you trying to convince? You also continue to say that you have no reason to lie, yet you doubt my education, I pose the same question to you, why would I lie? I think you would lie because I've wiped the floor with you, because you humiliated yourself by trying to pass off information from a website as your own and I caught you in that lie and exposed you.

What exactly is this alleged masters in, I might ask? I would think that a person with a masters would know how to spell "laid" and constitute" properly, not to mention they would know the difference between proof and evidence, and they would also make their own arguments rather than steal them from a less than reputable website.

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Are you still here? Are you still trying to bring me into an argument with these stupid statements? No one is listening to you, no one, other than myself has even acknowledged your presence.

Look! Go and get Ingles Sin Barreras or Follow me to America, once you go through the tapes and have a better command of the English language I want you to read and educate yourself so that you don't sound so ridiculous, THEN and only then should you come back and speak to me about anything. Your wquestions and statements are not profound, they're not witting, they're just lame.

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Mira pendejo, yo no hablo dos idiomas, yo hablo tres, y los hablo MUY bien. Ingles, Espanol, y Aleman. El Ingles tuyo es de immigrante ignorante y estupido. Mi Espanol es mejor que el Ingles tuyo. Idiota retardado.
Tambien estoy trabajando en hablar Arabe tambien.

And what is this afraid to die crap? What the hell are you even talking about? Also, how is it that I'm not fluent in English? Are you stupid? Idiot!

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i never pushed my degree! again...i only mentioned it when you freak out about the idea that i have one and you don't.

stop talking about the difference between evidence and proof! your not presenting either and you know it. you also haven't hilled me on anything as you continue to say....again youve presented nothing. i easily disproved everything you said before...then you start saying it was evidence and not proof.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidence

im hesitant to do this because it will send you off a new tangent to once again change the subject from what you can't prove, but their's a link to a page identifying that that evidence and proof can be synonyms...as well as listing a definition of evidence as proof.

you did start attacks! me saying there is no jesus is not an attack...and if you take it as such you have mental problems...its not an attack to point out that i dont believe in a person existing whom theres physical evidence of ever existing. thats what you consider an attack? you do know what an attack is right? or i guess you dont know that either?

One of the few times I bring up your alleged degree and you selectively choose to ignore my question. What is your "masters" in? I also have no envy of your supposed education, I would be willing to put my bachelors against your alleged masters any day. Forgive me if I sound doubtful, but your writing skills (or lack thereof) and your inability to read and comprehend tell me you're a person of limited intelligence and education.

There is a distinct difference between evidence and proof as it related to this conversation. All proof is evidence but not all evidence is proof. Proof is evidence sufficient to make something true, evidence is simply something that makes things clear or makes them plain. An easy way to make this easy for you is to say that proof shows you something is absolutely true, plain evidence that is not proof can be gotten about things that are not true. In a court of law as your very link eludes to one can use affidavits, witness testimony etc. as evidence witnesses can lie, affidavits can be perjured.

Let's make this even easier with an example.

Let's say you're up for murder. You did not do it, but there can still be evidence presented saying that you did. A witness can lie because he's framing you, weapons can be planted. You could even have some damning evidence like blood of the victim on your clothes. But let's say it was there because the victim had bled on you after being cut 2 days before the murder. Now the prosecution has evidence, but no proof.

Now let's say you did do it. Proof would be a video where your face is visible and you are caught in the act. That would be proof, evidence that serves as proof.

I gave you definet evidence. Any atheist would accept this as evidence and most actually do. This argujment is an intellectual debate, but since you are far from an intellectual you don't get it. I have no proof of God's existence, but I have evidence. To believe in God after you have proof is worthless. It is faith that makes our belief that much more special.

Anyway, you're clearly a person of questionable intelligence. You're just not very bright. I think I'm done with you.

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What are you even talking about? Are you retarded? You just come in and leave stupid unrelated posts, go away. You're an idiot.

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I'd hate to entertain an idiot's ideas, but NO, that's not how it works. Christian Scientists (that's a Christian sect, I know you're dumb and need extra help, I don't want you thinking that they're Christians who work as scientists) believe in that, but I believe that God helps those who help themselves.

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You need help from a good special ed teacher.

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I don't think I can help you, you need to go to a nice hospital for the mentally retarded.

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If people as stupid as you are non-believers then I'm confident in my faith.

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theres really someone on here still arguing with trompos? it's clear that he will never stop denying logic and facts to push forward his insanity. you're not going to change him...just pray if you have children he never gets near them.

trompos is a brat teenage girl

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"just pray if you have children he never gets near them."


You're asking people to pray? Who would they be praying to exactly?

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are you really that stupid trompos? honestly...that's a joke right? you can't really be that retarded

An atheist asking people to pray then claiming it's a joke. Sad really.

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