jesus wasnt black


whats with everyone determining jesus' race for him? he was most likely NOT black or white. we may never know for sure, but he WAS PROBABLY arab, living in the middle east and all

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Face, Jesus was black, and so was Michael Jackson, well at one point anyways but I digress...

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Jesus wasn't black nor was he white. He was arab. He'd look like someone our airlines would check before he got on a plane.

Terrible, but true.

Does it really matter anyway though?

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You sound ignorant... it doesn't matter where he was from just because he is Middle Eastern doesnt mean he looks the same as MUSLIMS. Also his birth was a unique miracle, an "incarnation in flesh of divine substance" Try reading a book or watching a documentary before you *beep* talk

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Before YOU talk, why don't YOU open a book or watch a documentary? "Muslim" is not an ethnicity. It's a religion. Therefore, you can't "look" moslem.

The Middle East is full of arabs, asians, and caucasians, who happen to be moslem.

Being from somewhere does not mean you are a particular colour or ethnicity like these idiots on this thread think. Black people think so narrow minded and are so incredibly racist themselves.

Blacks and Asians are the most racist people on earth.

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Jesus' race absolutely matters if he was adopted by Europeans, depicted as a European, and sold to other cultures as their Savior.



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If Jesus actually existed, there is no question that he was ethnically Semitic. Words used to describe his appearance in the bible are totally taken out of context by Afrocentrists. According to the title of the film he also states that Cleopatra was black as well? That's funny, because that actually can be proven false by actual documented Roman & Alexandrian (Egyptian) History which clearly indicates that she was a Greek of an aristocratic background.

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i know he was a person of color but i belive that jesus blended with all races so that when he walked the earth no man would judge him or fear him.

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i know he was a person of color but i belive that jesus blended with all races so that when he walked the earth no man would judge him or fear him.
Didn't work out too well, then, did it? The whole "men not judging or fearing him" thing, I mean? I don't know, maybe you're thinking of a different guy than I am, but the guy I'm thinking of got nailed to a tree.

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It is strange that you should say that, because Egyptian Ptolemic lineage which is historically full of inbreeding and splintered to due children who are the products of courters & concubines who also filled their palaces, has her as being the union of african/egyptian parentage, which was one of the reasons her people embraced her as a leader more so than her predecesors.
Jesus was a Jew (King of the Jews actually) and our earliest depiction of Jews are from the 3rd century and it depicts them as being dark-skinned. So from a lack of biblical info to support any other conclusion, Jesus probably was dark skinned, olive skinned at the least, because if he was not it probably would have made him stick out, and that would have probably been noted (biblically).

It's kinda funny & sad all at the same time, that this dicussion is actually going on.

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It is strange that you should say that, because Egyptian Ptolemic lineage which is historically full of inbreeding and splintered to due children who are the products of courters & concubines who also filled their palaces, has her as being the union of african/egyptian parentage, which was one of the reasons her people embraced her as a leader more so than her predecesors.

True, BUT Egyptians aren't black. North Africans aren't black today, they weren't black two thousand years ago and they weren't black four thousand years ago.

Apparently, Afrocentrists feel that there have been so few actually black heroes that they need to claim people from other races. It is appalling condescending of them.

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it is unfair of you to catagorize the afrocentrics as the only people desperate to claim historical and celeb personalities, it's steriotyplcal and not true who wouldn't have liked jesus or cleopatra or anyone in there ranks to be linked to them through physical similarities.People of everyculture look for these figures to instill strength in there culture. or to represent as they say nowadays.

And further more Northern Africa is composed and has always been composed of a large number of varierty in ethnicity,fair to dark-complexioned, it is mostly fluented in the languages of Afro-Asiatic peoples and most are classified as either islam or arab. Also according to the cia world fact book of 2006 egypt it's self is only comprised of 1% causian of Greek, Armenian, other European (primarily Italian and French)decent included. the fact of the matted is that africa it's self being so close to the sun that it is would have it's original habitats be medium to darked skinned. Yes it is true that through out history the Northerns of Africa are more fair but it is also a fact that most of them have been mixed cleopatra herself was a product of a greek man and a egyptian concubine.Non ethnic african colored people through history have been Berber, Nubian, Bedouin, and Beja all these cultures make only one percent also.

Plus the red sea(suez canal) which i call hells gate is really what was responsable for letting in the outsiders(Ptolemic Rulers who took over egypt) who were all caucasian settlers.After the 1800's All of North africa was colonized by U.K Spain France,Italy.this is why there is a mislead notion that North of Africa was always mostly caucasian but this is not so. like i said Africa is composed and has always been composed of a large number of varierty in ethnicity,fair to dark-complexioned.

But know this, no matter how you swing it it's a fact- that Europe is caucasia's birth,Africa is the Afroic's birth, America is where the 2 most recognizable cultures in the world managed to crash.white men just don't decend from africa.they colonize everywhere they can (not that there's anything wrong with colonizing) and claim it(this is the wrong part)as there own. So just get over it.

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Apparently, Afrocentrists feel that there have been so few actually black heroes that they need to claim people from other races. It is appalling condescending of them.
Kind of like white people have been doing with Jesus for hundreds of years, you mean?

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why is it that white people refuse to believe that egypt is a part of africa? there is no way in hell that elizabeth taylor should have played cleopatra. it just boggles my mind.

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Egypt is, of course, part of Africa. Egyptians don't look like Elizabeth Taylor, but neither do they look like West Africans.

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Paul Mooney was talking about how everything orginated from Africa, so everyone is actually African/Black.

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Thats fine.... If everyone eminated from Africa, then there should be zero problem with Cleopatra being played by Liz Taylor, then, should it? She's just as suitable as anyone else.

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Cleopatra was not a native Egyptian. She came from a Dynasty, the Ptolemies, who were Greek and married among themselves, so yes Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra was an accurate choice given Cleopatra was of European origins herself. BTW, none of her ruling family Dynasty ever learned native Egyptian, they forced the native Egyptian population to learn Greek since they made Greek the official language of the country. Native Egyptians though continued to speak Egyptian among themselves. In the other words the Ptolemies were a European colonial Dynasty that ruled over Egypt.

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Jebus liked to travel a lot and made many friends. They didn't have sunscreen back then or were aware of the sun's damaging rays. If Jebus was not black when he was born, he most certainly was at the time of his death. Hell how long was he on the cross for? I'd certainly be black after that ordeal.

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The "inbreeding" of Cleopatra was entirely incestuous. The Ptolemies married their full brothers and sisters. It's certain that Cleopatra phenotypically resembled a Greek (although an inbred one at that). The only discrepancy in her lineage is her paternal grandmother, who was a concubine; but there is no mention of a resulting dark complexion.

More fittingly, Cleopatra was closer to the people due to the fact that she was the first Ptolemic monarch to speak Egyptian, in addition to several other languages, her predecessors had only spoken Greek.

I agree with you about Jesus though. And it's not funny or sad that people are discussing this. Why shouldn't we look to the past for answers if history repeats itself?

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You say "aristocratic background" like you can come from the country of Aristocratia. Are you kidding? I agree with you about Cleopatra being Greek. That's true... but how can you LOOK Aristocratic?

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Greeks are not white. the people of the mediterranean sea area were the first melting pot culture black italians persians and greeks regularly had interracial relationships. Neither of those races would be white considering white to be and person of anglo-saxon or celtic origin.

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it doesnt matter what race he is but what he taught

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i totally agree with you ultimateX

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It must have mattered to Michaelangelo for painting that caucasian guy with the long blonde hair and blue eyes. (reportedly his uncle, know one really knows) Do you all remember that episode of Good Times with the "black Jesus" painting?

Personally, but since some folks ARE obsessed with his race, lets look at the "facts" that have been presented to us and lets use some common sense. He was a man of God and lived his life as rightously as anyone who ever walked this earth (my opinion personally). But honestly if you believe in the bible you know back in those times folks that lived on that part of the earth's pigment was dark (feet like brass/hair like lambs wool)and NOTHING like the pictures that have depicted him in the 20th century.

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Jesus was neither black nor Arab. He was Hebrew. The Hebrews were not and are not black, plain and simple. As for Cleopatra, she was not black either. Nor was she Egyptian. The Ptolemaic dynasty bred with themselves, not with outsiders. Cleopatra was Macedonian, plain and simple.

Why do people debate this? It's absurd to make claims that Jesus or Cleopatra or Nefertiti or Buddha or anyone belongs to your 'own' race in order to identify with them. They don't have to be black or white to be important people. Cleopatra was Caucasian yes, but Jesus wasn't. He was Semitic.

And the earliest depictions of Jesus are Roman, dating to the late 2nd century. They depict him with Greco-Roman features, as The Good Shepherd, Sol Invictus, or Apollo. The original image portrays him as beardless, which he was most likely not (as Hebrew men always wore beards). The typical depiction of him as long haired and long beared are influenced by Zeus and Jupiter. They are not accurate either. We don't know what he looked like, but he *was* Semitic. Look at the Jews in Israel/Palestine today and you can see.

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OF COURSE IT MATTERS WHAT COLOR HE WAS AS COLOR MATTERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BIBLE AND STILL DOES TODAY.
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO FEEL COLOR DOES NOT MATTER ARE THOSE WHO NEVER HAD TO MAKE SURE OR QUESTION IF THEIR COLOR MATTERED.

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Africa is the origin of humanity. Adam and Eve were Black. so to debate whether Jesus was Black doesn't matter because we are all Black, or mutations of Black

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I'm willing to give to everyone that he wasn't black, but he sure as *beep* wasn't white.

"Skin of bronze, hair of wool."

What kind of white person does that sound like?

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A white guy with a tan and curly hair or unkept/unwashed hair. Not too hard to imagine considering the time and place.

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by what the bible say he looks like a black male so hes black

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So let me guess, for you 06986, the Christ was a dirty "white" boy? (I couldn't resist the humor.)

Actually, the Christ's skin tone is important on many levels. The most important being one of division. Obviously, skin tone is used to divide people, and therefore, the color of their God would be very important to those dividing themselves on the basis of color. So important that all sorts of hoops would be jumped to make him the right color.

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Jesus was a semite! Hebrew (probably )or an Arab(maybe), two things is for sure, he wasn't white or black. And Cleopatra was Hellenistic which IS NOT a particular race of people as more a cultural society of people so to say she was Greek meaning of a race we today in the U.S. would consider white is probably wrong.

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" And Cleopatra was Hellenistic which IS NOT a particular race of people as more a cultural society of people so to say she was Greek meaning of a race we today in the U.S. would consider white is probably wrong."

What are you talking about? Being Greek meant back then as it means today a person of Caucasian European origins and nothing more. The ancient Greeks only viewed themselves as European, they were the first Europeans in history. It was only in later times that most of the continent that we now know as "Europe" became as such. During antiquity "Europe" was only the Greek region and the people who came from there. Go to Greece and you will see that it is not racially made up as the U.S is today. The majority of Greeks are of European Caucasian origins and the depictions that we have of ancient Greeks tell us that this seems to be the case back then too. Cleopatra came from a Greek Dynasty who's family line married within their family tree or with other Hellenic women and as a Greek woman from royalty or upper class she would not have exposed her skin to the sun there fore she would have been fair because to ancient Greeks and Romans tanned skin on females was seen as labor work. The Ptolemies along with the Seleucids were among the three other Greco-Macedonian colonial governments in the region. They were corrupt, abusive ethnocentric autocrats that tried to force Hellenistic culture upon people as varied as the native Egyptians, Hebrews and Arabs. Needless to say native Egyptians regarded the Ptolemies as foreigners. The Ptolemaic Dynasty interested in keeping the throne in the family line, continued the incestuous Pharaonic practice of marrying family members, which ensured not only that the family blood line was persevered but also their Greek ethnicity and as stated before Greeks were never and have never been as racially 'diverse' as you falsely believe. They are of Caucasian European origins and can range from fair to tan but never black or any other racial mixture.

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Cleopatra was half Greek and half Egyptian. When black people say stuff like Egyptians are black, they aren't saying that to be taken literally but rather that they come from Africa and therefore share more common ties genetically with us than Europeans do. Alot of that mentality comes from the treatment of mulattoes, quadroons, etc. in America where, according to the "one drop theory," people can be called black just for having one black ancestor. While this may be popular among whites today, you have to understand that 60+ years ago, this would be a curse for a person who looked white, but had say a black grandfather, and would still be subject to the same seperate but equal laws that blacks were. Many people simply chose not to acknowledge this, and tried to pass as white, although some didn't (See Homer Plessy, Plessy v. Ferguson). Whites seem to have a double standard for that, as when the person is controversial or famous enough as Cleopatra, the general sentiment is denial. Cleopatra was black, end of story. She was a light-skinned black person, but she was black.

As far as Jesus goes, he was Semitic. They can range in color from being fair to what many people would call black, so nobody knows. One thing that is true is that he probably did not have brown hair, blue eyes, and pale skin.

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I would just like to say that unfortunately these debates continue. We are all humans. We are all genetically compatible no matter what color. I am a "black" female with German, Irish, Native American, and African ancestors. I have proof in my own family's history that Abraham Lincoln's mother was mulatto. Dr Mudd that tended to him after his assassination was Lincoln's cousin and my family's direct descendant.

So this whole Jesus wasn't black talk needs to stop. If he was truly the sun of "GOD" and they made man in their own image then perhaps he encompassed all the hues of man. We all learn that when you add all the colors of the rainbow you get brown or some dark variation. He may not have been extremely dark-skinned but he most definately was not pink-skinned.( I did see a documentary on a tribe that keeps the "virgin" females in a hut so that the sun does not touch them before marriage. When they are let out they are pale white but soon start darkening.) Most people of African descent go through this type of transformation every year from winter to summer. I myself end up looking like a patchwork quilt of different skin tones. I am married to a man of "caucasian" descent and our 3 children have slightly different skin tones and totally different hair textures and colors. But what scientists have discovered (I saw this on discovery channel) is that Black-Africans carry in their DNA the traits for all the different "racial" groups on the planet. At one time all the continents were joined together so as a result of the land movements some groups would be isolated from similar groups on the other side of the world. And no one knows 100% how long that was going on.

I have a hard time believing the bible anyway, knowing that there is a counsel that gets together regularly after so many years to "revise" the bible. I mean, if it is such a "perfect" text why mess with it?

Remember that the word of Jesus was supposedly meant to unite the whole of the world in connectivity...but humans have marred it all and now we divide ourselves even within the same religion. Orthodox, Modern, etc. When will we all learn that if we stopped seeking out ways to divide ourselves then we would have a beautiful world.

If you've never heard of "What the "bleep" do we know, down the rabbit hole." You just have and you need to watch the 5 disc quantum edition. This is where Religion and Science meet again and your mind will be blown wide open (in a great way).

So let's stop splitting heirs...can't we all just get along...we're all in this together.

Peace, Love, Connectivity...we're all human.

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origin_of_evii, you know zero about the Ptolemaic Dynasty. Cleopatra was fully 100% GREEK. She came from a family that was 100% Greek in their bloodline, they did not intermix with native Egyptian whom they considered INFERIOR to themselves and of whom HER OWN ANCESTOR stated the following regarding mixed origins children...and I quote from ancient text here "HALF-BREED CHILDREN ARE NOT WORTHY OF RULING OVER EUROPEANS" - Ptolemy I. Oh yeah and another of her family members mistook Nubians for chimpanzees when the Ptolemies went to Nubia for official business. Face the facts, this Dynasty was xenophobic, they did not and I repeat they did not intermix with native Egyptians or black Africans. Stop trying to turn a white Greek Queen like Cleopatra into 'black' when she was nothing but a white colonial ruler who viewed native Egyptians and black Africans like the rest of her family did: inferior to the Ptolemies Hellenic rulers. Not only was Cleopatra 100% Greek, but the since Ptolemies were so fond of inbreeding to maintain their bloodlines; she was not only 100% white, but possibly suffered from some kind of genetic diseases brought on by in-breeding.

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alexkarmamojo-1, you would be surprised to know that DNA genetic testing has revealed Greeks both in ancient and modern times have zero Sub Saharan African genetic markers and less then 2% of Middle Eastern genetic markers. Greeks have been since ancient times Caucasian Europeans. They were xenophobic, they didn't intermix with other Greek tribes never mind total foreigners who didn't speak their own language, looked different from them and shared nothing in common with either ethnicity or culture with the Greeks.

As far that false theory about "Turkish" genetic in Greeks, this is what Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, probably the world’s leading expert on studies of genetic-and his colleagues stated:

Around the third century B.C., groups speaking Turkish languages of the Altaic family, began developing new weapons and strategies. In the next centuries they threatened empires in China, Tibet, India, and Central Asia, before eventually arriving in Turkey. In 1453 Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire fell before their armies. The conquests of their descendants continued into recent times, with expansions to Europe and North Africa. Genetic traces of their movements can sometimes be found, but they are often diluted, since the numbers of conquerors were always much smaller than the populations they conquered. In Turkey and the Balkans, the furthest point permanently settled by these Mongolian nomads, show no clear genetic trace of their origin has been found."-Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Genes, Peoples, and Languages, tr. Mark Seielstad, Penguin NY 2000.

Sentence that should be notice here is:"Genetic traces of their movements can sometimes be found, but they are often diluted, since the numbers of conquerors were always much smaller than the populations they conquered." In other words the conquerors (i.e. Tuks) did not alter the genetic make up of the people they conquered because they were much smaller then the populations they conquered. Recent DNA testing has shown there is less then 2% of Middle Eastern genetic markers found in Greeks. Greeks carry a Hg marker that is found commonly within the Balkan region and very rare outside the Balkans, what this means is Greeks are genetically closer link to their Caucasian neighbors in the regions they are located, then any 'black africans' or "Middle Eastern" or whatever.

'The Aegean populations after the Neolithic Period: Almost from the start one finds evidence of people—slender and stout, with round and long skulls, and of tall and medium height. Probably many of the ancient inhabitants of Greece and the islands looked as people in Greece do today—active, muscular, and of moderate height. From the evidence of the wall paintings, though these are often idealized, they seem largely to have had dark hair, dark or gray eyes, fine profiles, fair skin tones to light medium and slender figures. The occupants of the Shaft Graves at Mycenae, Greece, who depicted horse chariots on their grave-stones and were almost certainly early Greeks(ca. 1600 B.C) were over six feet tall. Detailed skeletal studies of burials in Grave Circle B at Mycenae have shown tall, rugged skeletons with large hands and feet, some arthritis and gallstones, and recurrent “family traits.” The high average age at death—about 36 years—may reflect fighting careers, for which the men may have been socially selected, fed, and trained. Their generally superior physical condition in comparison to that of “commoners” was perhaps the result of a better diet from childhood onward.'-Cornell University; J. E. Coleman; Dr. Elizabeth Barber

BTW, I've been to Greece and the people there do not have "Turkish" features, whatever that is because modern "Turks" are a mix of the people they conquered, and I also have first hand expierence on how xenophobic Greeks can be of none Greeks since I had trouble with my Greek girlfriend's family not accepting me because I am not Greek. So when I hear others go on about how "open minded" Greeks can be of people who are not Greek and how they 'intermix' with other people I want to roll on the floor laughing. Maybe in recent years this is true...like in the past 30 so years...but not before that. They were and in some cases still are one of the most xenophobic people on this planet next to Jews, Japanese, Chinese and Indians. And please don't tell me that all these Greeks who are all very fair and European looking are ALL from Nothern Greece. The first one is of a Greek gymnast who is a native of Athens.
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Notice from the Miss Greece 2007 pageants, not one of these girls, skin tone facial features etc., who come from all over Greece not just Northern Greece, nothing but European Caucasian characteristics, not African, not Asian, not 'mixed' but European:
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Same with the Olympic Flame Ceremony Parts 1 & 2, 2004 Olympics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moqwCr0uHmg
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Look at the customer base this Greek phone company is trying to reach out to. If you see any Greek that is not of European caucasian origins let me know. Cause I watched it like ten times already and all I see are Caucasian European Greeks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFEdjsJzNLI

Fair Greeks of ancient times
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Cleopatra coming from a Hellenic Dynasty that interbred with one another looks like the European 'white' Greeks above. She was not black nor was she 'mixed' of anything. Her bloodline was pure Hellenic Ptolemaic. The busts and coins that we have of the Queen that she herself had artists create of her do show her with Greek European features and fair coloring her hair described as 'reddish brown', as the pics below depict of her:
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Daniel Brd: thanks for the info! I could have sworn i've read multiple times that the influence over the centuries of trade/being conquered repeatedly, etc. introduced new traits/features, but I was obviously wrong. I missused words, however, in the last post as well (i used Turkish for lack of a better word at that point). I really thought greeks today were more of a mix as well. (and i didnt mean that northern greeks were the only ones who were blonde haired and blue eyed...i think you misread that part). But a question- so the features of modern greeks have not changed much at all since ancient times?

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But a question- so the features of modern greeks have not changed much at all since ancient times?


Yup they haven't, their basically the same, as is with any other group of people, changing the genetic make up of a population so drastically does not happen in such a short period of time unless that population is completely wiped out and Hellenic population was never wiped out. If you look at both ancient and modern Greeks like their depiction below, their features even spanning several thousands of years, have not changed at all if any:
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I had an ex who was Greek. I have white friends. My ex and her entire family had complexions, features, and other physical characteristics that, in terms of appearance, would differentiate them from my friends who are white. I don't know about all or even most Greeks, but if Cleopatra looked even a thing like any of the Greek people I know, you wouldn't call her Caucasian. I find people from the Mediterranean don't really resemble people from further up into Europe, who I would typically call white.

As for Jesus, he was born in an area of what is now the West Bank, and I don't think anybody from there looks like blue eyed hippie that some people associate with his name.

All in all, Paul Mooney's a comedian. A controversial one at that, and he knows that a title like this will either get people interested or talking in a discussion such as this.
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had an ex who was Greek. I have white friends. My ex and her entire family had complexions, features, and other physical characteristics that, in terms of appearance, would differentiate them from my friends who are white. I don't know about all or even most Greeks, but if Cleopatra looked even a thing like any of the Greek people I know, you wouldn't call her Caucasian. I find people from the Mediterranean don't really resemble people from further up into Europe, who I would typically call white.


Then you don't know many Greek people. Greeks in Greece or in North America or South America or Australia or Russia or any other country where there is a Greek diaspora, no one would mistake Greeks for none caucasian whites. Even the 'darkest' Greek would never be considered nor pass as a none Caucasian person and only those who have not association with Greeks or had limited associations with Greeks would ever make the false claim that Greeks are not caucasian white. So yes Cleopatra was white, not black, not yellow, not green, not purple nor orange and not mixed of anything. Cleopatra being Hellenic looked like most Greeks, as a white Caucasian European chick, because Greeks in general are white Caucasians and if I post pictures of Greeks mixed in with northern Europeans I'm 100% positive you wouldn't be able to tell them a part. And please don't tell me there are people out there who falsely think 'white' people only have fair hair and blue eyes, which is still a mute point given there are many Greeks with fair hair and blue/green/hazel eyes. Not that it makes a difference because even with dark hair and eyes no one with perfect vision would mistake Greeks for none Caucasians....as proven by THESE GREEKS below who are Caucasian Europeans white and would never pass for none Caucasians, even if they painted their faces and bodies with dark paint.
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First Lady of Greece(PMs wife) - couldn't get more 'white' then her
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Doesn't anybody remember Paul Mooney saying "It's fun to think that"?

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