Hollywood couldn't resist another Christian smear! - Jolene (2008) Discussion

[–] hoz49 12 years ago

Really? Do you enjoy your persecution complex? There are plenty asswipes professing to be "Christian", many in the news right now, just open the paper. Christianity doesn't have a pass on rapists, child molesters, and all around buttholes.

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[–] BigJohnPilgrim 12 years ago

Oh come on. You mean you haven't noticed that this is the ONLY way Hollywood protrays Christians? That would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. The bad guys are good and th egood guys are bad. you are really out of touch if you don't know the pattern.

Come see a fat old man sometime!

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[–] FrankTheTank91 12 years ago

So Christians should be excluded from bad acts as if they never commit any? Did you fail to read about the Christian teacher masturbating behind a podium in front of Christian school children? What about the BTK killer?

Also, have you never seen movies like the "Passion of Christ" or "left Behind"?

You need to get over yourself and your religion since there is evil outside as well as inside the Christian community. So I see the incident in this movie as totally not being 180 degrees backwards. A demented Christian is every bit as believable as an artist dealing drugs.

This is the type of bigotry that is so pervasive in the Christian Community.

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[–] BigJohnPilgrim 12 years ago

The bigotry is in your response and your words. First of all, anyone who commits these acts is no Christian. They may be hiding behind Christianity, but they are not Christians. Something non-Christians totally do not understand. But non-Christians want Christians to be portrayed this way so deeply, so vehemently and hatefully and spitefully, that this is for the most part the ONLY way Christians are portrayed by Hollywood. Don't you people get it? It's the ONLY way Christians are portrayed. And every time it happens we Christians have to just shake our heads and say, there they go again. We have to sit and bite our tongues and live our lives the way Christ would be proud of, helping people and loving people and not becoming angry, always turning the other cheek.

Where are the good Christian protrayals, the truthful real portrayals of good and kind and humble people living their lives in service to God and fellow man? Because this is how Christians REALLY are in real life. NOT as the mean spiteful evil people as portrayed by Hollywood.

Did you even bother to read my original statement? This is the problem that I have with Hollywood. And every Christian knows it to be true. We never ever get a fair portrayal by Hollywood. Always just as either ignorant, backwards, narrow-minded in-breds, or as in this movie, evil rapist child-molesting demons.

You Christian-haters should enlighten yourselves and learn a little about Christians. Not just blindly accept the bilge that Hollywood force-feeds you. Not taking comfort in the spiteful portrayals of Christians as some validation of all these pre-conceived and false ideas of what Christians actually are. You would be surprised.

Come see a fat old man sometime!

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[–] FrankTheTank91 12 years ago

There are many movies that are Christian based to help promote your faith base. I already named two from my previous post but you seem to want to ignore those and portray strictly a Hollywood versus Christian agenda. How about a few more Narnia, Seven Days to Utopia, along with the endless Hallmark Christmas and Easter movies that are available?

Christians are not victims of slander as you propose. Christians in many ways help to create this divide and not just in Hollywood but in society. The Christian delima starts with its desire to use government to enforce rules that support their faith. This is wrong since faith should NOT be pushed in society by law or policies but by encouragement through suggestion, help, and setting examples. Many Christians want a one religion government today and don’t respect the real meaning behind freedom of religion. This is the wrong path to go for a religion if you want to avoid adversity to your faith.

Where Hollywood and Christians collide is in politics which again is no place for any religion. You have Hollywood pushing a political agenda on their side to influence government and the way society thinks and you have Christians doing the same thing. So yes you will have movies that portray Christians in a dark light at times but it is not without fact that these portrayals can be backed with real life instances. So you want to discount these evil people as being Christians based on their acts and say they are hiding behind it ...well, I can easily argue then what is your issue? The person in this movie who mistreated Jolene was only hiding behind Christianity and because of that Hollywood was not directly attacking in Christian but the acts of a false believer. No harm no foul in my opinion there.

Almost all my family members are dedicated Christians but they also know well my issue today with Christianity is it inability to respect separation of Church and State, it's hypocritical approach to judging people when you should not judge, and it's inability to be happy with having a dominant religion in this country that has as many churches as there are other institution in the US. You have all the freedom to build your own schools, stores, movies, and speak you faith to others. However for many this is just not enough and not only does this anger people in Hollywood but people in general who don’t view a world where Christians can dictate our lives.

So in my opinion; your issue with Hollywood is just being reciprocated by the actions of many Christians desire to encroach their gospel into the lives of every household regardless if they want it or not. There are some Christians that don’t view the world this way but there are way too many that do which creates this current divide in society.

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[–] BigJohnPilgrim 12 years ago

Oh please. That is so lame. I hardly know where to start.

OK, you can cite a couple examples where Christians are not treated unfairly. Fine. My point was not that it doesn't happen. My point is that Hollywood OVERWHELMINGLY portrays Christians in a negative light. For every true portrayal, there are probably 100 negative ones. So what is your problem with my statement? Anyone with half a brain knows it's true. Are you really trying to say it's not true?

But just like when conservatives kept saying the media was biased and everyone who was brainwashed kept saying it wasn't, now they openly admit being biased and it can no longer be denied. You can't deny the vasts majority of portrayals are negative. Popular culture is what we're talking about here. Regular entertainment that most people watch. You can go back decades and see how negatively Hollywood portrays Christianity. I watch old movies all the time, and can't remember the last time I saw a good truthful portrayal of Christianity. Way out of whack with reality, way out of proportion to any real or imagined Christianity offenses.

You show your bias by flinging the whole judgemental label, something liberals love to do. That is just so bogus it's disgusting. Makes me throw up a little in th eback of my throat. Because liberals don't agree with Christian values, they call them judgemental. I've NEVER known anyone MORE judgemental than a liberal. Hollywood shows how judgemental it is by portraying Christianity in a negative light every chance it gets.

You show your ignorance of Christianity by your statements. Christians don't want a one-religion government. We don't want ANY religion government. that's why our ancestors came here, to get away from a government religion (Church of England). But this IS a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles, Judeo-Christian values, and it's all through our founding documents. The separation of church and state is NOT in our Constitution. We declared freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Liberals have twisted that around so bad it has screwed this country up. There is no reason to take God out of our lives, only becomes a bunch of whiny liberals can't handle having religious principles starting them in the face every day.

There is absolutely no reason to keep religion out of politics. It was in the political founding of this country, and is infused throughout our governmental institutions, including our money. That's just another bogus canard flung about by Christ-haters like yourself. Go somewhere else and create your own country free from religion, and we'll see how long atheism holds it together. hasn;t worked too well for other countries.

You've mad eso many bogus statements in your last reply. Where in the movie was it made clear that the perp was a false beleiver? Nowhere. He was portrayed as a Christian then committed indecent acts. It was an intentional portrayal of a Christian as an evil person. And that kind of protrayal happens ALL THE TIME. Period. It doesn't matter what you say to the contrary, you are excusing the inexcusable.

So listen son. I don't PROPOSE Christians are the victim of anything. I am stating fact. We are being persecuted more and more in the public eye, chased out of schools and government buildings and for bogus reasons totally unsupported by the Constitution. I could care less if you agree with me. Go somewhere else if you disagree. Create another blog for this movie and pose your own theory. I will ignore you. You see, that's another difference between liberals and conservatives - you feel you must make us see things your way, where I believe you should be able to believe whatever you want. Just keep it out of my face. I won't back down from a factual statement, so go away and pose your fiction elsewhere.

Come see a fat old man sometime!

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[–] FrankTheTank91 12 years ago

I’d really like to see you refer to me as 'son' in person.

What facts have you stated in many of our boring diatribes or rants? I at least named movies that support Christianity where you have made nothing but statements imbedded with suppositions.

Also let us look at how you have changed you original statement which only proves the hypocrite you are:
Second Post Statement 1:
"Oh come on. You mean you haven't noticed that this is the ONLY way Hollywood portrays Christians?"
Next Post Statement 2:
"that this is for the most part the ONLY way Christians are portrayed by Hollywood."
Latest Post Statement 3:
"My point is that Hollywood OVERWHELMINGLY portrays Christians in a negative light:

So which is it? Maybe if you stick to your point consistently then there could be an intelligent debate.

Another confusing statement:
" We don't want ANY religion government."
...then
"There is absolutely no reason to keep religion out of politics. "

Son, do you even read what you write? Really what is your stance?

"But this IS a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles, Judeo-Christian values,"
--Really??? I view the principles of our founding fathers to be what this nation was founded on and many if not most were not Christians but Deists. This means that they believed in a creator but not a specific one like you zombies like to believe. Thomas Jefferson one of the greatest minds ever rewrote the bible to remove the superstitions and evangelist out of it. I have it on my shelf now and it's a great book once the nonsense is excluded.

Also, other assumptions where you are off:

If you think I'm liberal your wrong I've voted Republican all my life but its arrogant people like you that have not only turned me away from the republican party but away from that institution you call a religion which now harbors pedophilias and does in fact want their religion to reign unchallenged and desires to dominate this land through government policies and laws.
I’m not atheist but agnostic

This proves another flaw about you and indicates that you may be a false Christian: You judged me for two things that I am not so when questioning who a Christian is you should look in the mirror first.

I realize now you are not able of consistent thought, unable to provide any facts to support whatever stance you make as it changes, and incapable of comprehension. I guess my worst sin in this post was assuming you might be capable of intelligent discussion.

Again read your posts and ask yourself; why would anyone want to turn to your religion with the way you act on this board? You’re overly judgmental, unable to look at different viewpoints in an intelligent way, and you are just downright ignorant.

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[–] FrankTheTank91 12 years ago

I know it's tough for you to swallow getting mentally whipped like this.

You're no Christian! You're an extremist narrow minded old fool. But hey ignorance is bliss isn't it Zombie?

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[–] txhurletbsx 12 years ago

God is a lie. When we all die, we rot into the ground and bugs eat us and our souls(which arent even real either) dont go anywhere. Stop trolling bigignorantpilgrim. Imagine how many other lovely things you could be doing right now then fighting on imdb over such a petty little topic. Go out and snort some coke, go stop by your favorite strip club, or watch Twilight or something.

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[–] Jakealope 12 years ago

Really, what the eff do you know about being persecuted. I am sure a room full of Auschwitz survivors and Cambodian victims of the Khmer Rouge would be brought to tears by your childish whining.

Guess what, I am an American too, and I also have a right to free speech, as well as you. And if you can't deal with me criticizing ignorant self righteous redneck jerks like you crying about your fake persecution and your backwards mickey mouse religion, maybe you ought to leave the country?

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[–] salimy3k 12 years ago

LOLOLOLOL, a retard Zionist Jew like Jakealope criticizing OTHER religions? What a laugh - hey loser, if it wasn't for these poor brainwashed redneck dopes dying for IsraHELL, your little toilet-bowl of a country in the Middle East would be history right now. Yeah right, like YOUR religion isn't an arse-backwards Daffy Duck joke - are you liars STILL attempting to portray those old Babylonian Gods are 'evil' to cover up how sick, pathetic and twisted YOUR religion is? My my my, wonder how these sheeple in the US would react if they realized why a lie Judaism REALLY is and how they're being used. Oh, and why don't YOU leave the US, seeing as how YOU don't like other people's opinions?

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[–] Jakealope 12 years ago

When did any US servicemen fight for Israel? The IDF and Israelis had no problem kicking your vile Muslim butts in every war, in spite of the fact they are outnumbered and your people are bred to be such crude violent savages. Go beat one of your wives or camels, please.

As bad as some of those Conservative Christians are, I'd take them any day over Islamofascist scum that your ugly religion creates. Jews aren't even allowed in your toilet bowl countries like Saudi Arabia, which makes sense since most of your subnormal ilk were rooting for the NAZIs in WW ll.

Partial Roll Call of Islamic sewer states:
Somalia
Sudan
Saudi Arabia
Gulf States
Iran
Pakistan
Afghanistan
The Mudslime parts of Nigeria
........

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[–] lamont-hard 11 years ago

I think you are misunderstanding the op. I feel as he may that every time a so called Cristian is introduced he is the bad one. You know there are good Christians in the world who help people with gods word. But it seems to never make it into the films. We see enough bad Christians how about watching just once in a while some good they may bring to the table.

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[–] ruble3 12 years ago

I agree that Christians are more often portrayed as the phony and the bad guy or the fool. It's in so many movies, I've lost count.

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[–] ckimsey-1 12 years ago

Ruble3 , I agree. The original poster made some good points, but he lost the whole debate when he got made and insulting on his last reply. :-(

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[–] Jimbo_BSD 12 years ago

This cracks me up. The film is filled with negative portrayals of people. First she has sex with a married man who happens to be her brother in law and 20 years her senior while she's still a minor. Then she's used by another adult while still a minor who happens to be a lesbian. Then used as a prostitute, then she's used by a liar lowlife musician. Then the only Italian in the whole film is a stereotypical gangster.

But the ONLY person the OP has a problem with is the Christian and talks about negative portrayal. News flash dipstick, EVERYBODY IN THE FILM WAS PORTRAYED NEGATIVELY!!!!

But don't let that get in the way of your persecution complex. When did Christians become such sniveling crybabies?

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[–] sydnee_man 10 years ago

Jimbo_rd, I agree with your post completely. Almost everyone Jolene came into contact with in this film was a lowlife! But SOME people have got to be crybabies just because a religious aspect was introduced.

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[–] novgj 12 years ago

There's a beautiful irony of magnanimous proportion worked into the brutal domestic violence scene. While Jolene is helplessly being pummeled by the creep Brad - alleged Christian believer - she actually in this moment symbolizes Christianity, and he Hollywood.

Well done, Mr. Ireland.

"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean sh*t."

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[–] sith56 12 years ago

So you have no problem with "ass-rape" and a "wife-beater" just as long as it's not a Christian doing it?

Your other argument is no more logical. If a Christian does something bad he's not a real Christian. It's called the "No true Scotsman" argument.

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[–] Kroyall1962 12 years ago

The psycho was also guilty of being rich, so the filmmakers got to bash 2 groups they hate for the price of one. In their defense, the counter culture tattoo artist is also portrayed as a scumbag. Nobody in this film comes out looking too good, even the ostensible protagonist, Jolene.

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[–] brittanylynnfleming 12 years ago

There is nothing wrong about their interpretation. Plenty of abusive men hide behind Christianity. Perhaps the movie was trying to create a character like that. Doesn't mean they are trying to ruin the portrayal of Christianity. In fact a lot of what happened to her happened to me. Ironically the "Christians" were the ones that molested me,abused me, and hurt me the most. The one guy and friend who truly cared for me was a "gangster". So perhaps the movie is only channeling the truth which apparently must be something you cant handle

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[–] Stickman38 12 years ago

I think it's a pretty common theme to make Christians look bad in films. I often wonder if Hollywood writers/filmmakers just hate Christians or if there is some other reason why they do it.

I'd like to see them portray Muslims like this though. I think they just do it to Christians because they know they can get away with it. Muslims would kill'em for doing it.

But as others have said, they make everyone look pretty bad in this movie. The tattoo guy was a bigamist (and so is Jolene), her first husband was a basketcase, her uncle-in-law cheated on his wife with an underage girl that's married to his nephew, her female lover was much older than she was, the gangster promised Jolene that she would be taken care of for the rest of her life but after he dies, Jolene is right back where she started from.

And finally, the Christian husband who, for some odd reason, rapes her in the butt on their wedding night then later on beats her after he finds out she's a bigamist and has slept with lots of men. hahahah... poor Jolene, she can never catch a break.

Although, this begs the question as to why the Christian would marry her in the first place. I think he mainly just wanted to have taboo sex with Jolene, who knows, maybe that red hair turned him on but since he's a "christian" he feels like he must be married first before doing anything remotely sexual. To me this is one of the unfortunate things about religion. People are not allowed to embrace their true nature, which is probably why we have problems with pedophile priests, they have to remain celibate but it realty, can a man actually stay celibate his whole life? Sexual desires are just part of being human, we all find certain sexual things appealing regardless of what society or religion thinks of it. This film actually provides us with a great life lesson. You better know the person you marry REALLY REALLY well before you actually go along with it and also, it's probably not a good idea to get married just so God will forgive you for having sex. hahaha. :)

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