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Alex jones is a fraud.


He says some true things, but that does not excuse him from being a fraud.

His site is full of blatent advertisements and promotions: Ex flouride is bad-Buy my water filter!

"No man is just a number"

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Alex Jones can predict the future, because he goes to the SECRET WEBSITES where the New World Order tells you EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO DO!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is probably my favorite as well!!!


It is interesting how they have built up a cult of personality around Alex Jones. It almost reminds me of some of the ways old soviet propaganda would portray Stalin.


"No man is just a number"

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You say he's a fraud but do not provide ONE example and ONE source where your point would be vaildated. You're like the bootlicking Popular Mechanics people who make claims without researching the facts, and THEN cancel interviews with 9-11 truthers!

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I did above, but seeing as you can't seem to read It I will say again:

Flouride is bad, it cotrols your mind!
-Buy my water filters to keep safe

Pescecides are BAD!
-Buy my organic food

He also seems to promote a lack of critical thought, as all his followers only seem able to quote from him, offering no original insights.

You're like the bootlicking Popular Mechanics people who make claims without researching the facts, and THEN cancel interviews with 9-11 truthers!

How am I like them?


"No man is just a number"

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You are like the bootlicking Popular Mechanics people in that you seem to suggest that ingesting fluoride or pesticides is not bad for you, just to back up your ad hominem attack against Alex Jones, even though scientific evidence - or hell, even common sense - have proven otherwise.

http://www.ewg.org/issues/fluoride/20050606/petition.php?gclid=CID44L32_ocCFSBWYAodBU08Fw

"Citing a strong body of peer-reviewed evidence, EWG today asked the National Toxicology Program (NTP) of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to list fluoride in tap water in its authoritative Report on Carcinogens, based on its ability to cause a rare form of childhood bone cancer, osteosarcoma, in boys."

http://www.consumersunion.org/food/organicsumm.htm

"Reducing dietary exposure to pesticide residues is an important goal of public health and environmental officials, farmers and other segments of the food industry, and consumers. Organic agriculture, with its strictures against the use of synthetic chemical inputs, seems to offer a low-residue alternative to conventionally-grown produce; avoiding exposure to pesticides is one major reason consumers buy organic foods. Foods sold with claims of reduced pesticide use or use of integrated pest management (IPM), sometimes certified as containing no detectable residues (NDR), are now on the market as well. In general, the effects of different agricultural production systems on dietary exposure to pesticides is a question of considerable interest to scientists, regulators and the public.

Surprisingly, few empirical analyses of residue data have addressed this question, mostly because of a dearth of data on residues in organic produce. In the absence of better data, public controversy has swirled about this issue, with conservative media commentators and critics of organic agriculture going so far as to suggest that foods grown organically have just as many pesticide residues as conventionally grown foods.

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Our analysis shows convincingly that organically grown foods have fewer and generally lower pesticide residues than conventionally grown foods. This pattern was consistent across all three independent data sets. Organic foods typically contain pesticide residues only one-third as often as conventionally grown foods do. Foods marketed with an IPM or NDR claim fall in between organic and conventional foods in both the frequency of residues and residue levels. Organic samples are also far less likely to contain multiple residues than conventional or IPM/NDR foods are.

While the risks to health associated with dietary pesticide residues are still uncertain and subject to debate, risk is relative, and lower exposure undoubtedly translates into lower risk. Consumers who wish to minimize their dietary pesticide exposure can do so with confidence by buying organically grown foods."

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I will agree with you on the fact that pestecides are a hazard, however the levels are acceptable in most food that we buy. I will be the first to say that factory farming can result in harmfull additives to food. HOWEVER you are a complete fool if you cannot see what is wrong with somebody using scare tactics to sell organic produce.

As for flouride, what do you seriously think it does to you? Do you think that there is a conspiracy involving all the doctors in north america to keep silent on the flouride issue!? The bottom line there is that people have much better dental health today than they did 50 years ago. Find me one respectable study showing flouride is more dangerous than taking a walk around the block.

"No man is just a number"

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lmao that m0thaf4ucka got oWNED

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You're a moron

Fluoride is poisonous, asparmtame is poisonous, even your mama is full of poison.

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You're a moron

Ok, I guess you just prooved that he is for real@!\

Not everything that is poisones is nescessarily bad for health



Dihydrogen Monoxide Conspiracy
Current allegations suggest that the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) may be conspiring to cover up the whole DHMO issue. Attempts by DHMO researchers to elicit comment from the EPA regarding the possible coverup were either ignored or dodged, leading researchers to infer the alleged coverup. Incredibly, the EPA then attempted to divert attention from the real issue onto talk of the aesthetics and layout of the EAC's DMRD web site!

EPA Refuses to Confirm or Deny Coverup
In spite of a direct query for information, the EPA refused to deny the existence of a coverup. The researcher, who reported to us under conditions of anonymity, sent correspondence asking if the EPA knows more about Dihydrogen Monoxide than it is telling us.
Point Blank Questions Ignored
The researcher went on to ask, point blank, "Are you asking me to participate in some sort of coverup?" And, "Do you deny that the EPA is purposely keeping quiet on the issue of Dihydrogen Monoxide?" For whatever reason, the EPA would not say, offering no comment on the questions at all.
EPA Saber Rattling
However, in a strongly worded reply, the EPA did seemingly go on the offensive with statements such as:

* "The Agency would like to ask you to remove [certain information].",

* "The point is, if your visitors are in any way led to the impression that EPA is endorsing your site, that is not good for either of us.",

* "I hope you see our point of view",

* "We take our mission of protecting the environment seriously", and

* "We consider this a serious matter and would appreciate your help."

Some may find these heavy handed statements shocking. The wording of the EPA's correspondence with the researcher are filled with these sorts of anachronisms; one would expect such talk from a movie gangster, but not from a taxpayer-funded agency of the United States government.
Draw Your Own Conclusions
There is certainly no doubt that the Dihydrogen Monoxide issue touched a nerve at the US EPA. And while sources at the EPA admit to the benefits of freely distributing information to the public on DHMO, they stop short of admitting to a coverup. Perhaps there really is no coverup. Or maybe the EPA's silence confirms its existence. It is clear that the EPA is putting no effort into educating the public about the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide. It is also clear that the truth may forever be obscured, so for now the reader is left to reach his or her own conclusions regarding the possible conspiracy at the EPA to coverup the DHMO issue.

DHMO has several beneficial effects, but it is an essential Chemical, especially as a food additive.

"No man is just a number"

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Dihydrogen Monoxide is H2O... Water. 2 Hydrogen atoms, one oxygen atom. I hope this article or whatever the *beep* it is is a joke. Really...

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It is joke. I was showing how Beneficial chemicals can have people attach all sorts of negative labels to them, as is the case with flouride.

"No man is just a number"

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I don't see how ANY of these comments change, challenge, dispute or debunk the UNDEBATABLE historic instances of GOVERNMENT SPONSORED TERRORISM for the purpose of enetering into war. Knowing that the entire Vietnam war was based solely on the LIE that US ships were attacked in the gulf of Tonkin, and that we allowed Israel to attack and murder countless americans aboard the USS Liberty, how can any reasonable person not doubt what we have been told about 9/11. How many people died in Vietnam? Exponentially more than are dead as a result of 9/11 or the current and forthcoming military actions that have been quite weakly justified by it.

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While all that is true, It doesn't change the fact that Alex Jones is a fraud.

"No man is just a number"

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Wow guy. You sound more like a fraud yourself! You just keep spouted a bunch of spam while you enjoy your ignorant bliss. I bet you have research any of the stuff Alex Jones has talked about.

In a time of universal deciet telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Lost sheep, you are decieved.

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I have researched almost all of what he says, and while some of it is true, there is some false stuff in there as well. If you actually looked at different sources from both perspectives you would see this, although I suspect you only get your info from infowars-like websites (sorry if I am wrong). The fact is that I am not here to discuss weather this or that conspiracy is true, but to find discuss the legitamicy of Mr. Jones. If you examine many of the stories on his site they read like ads for his products (such as water filters). I challange you to proove to me that Flouridation is a conspiracy, and if you do, I will completely change my mind here. The fact is, if you think about it for a few minutes, you realize how rediculous an idea that is.

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"I have researched almost all of what he says"

Hmm. Why do I get the feeling that you have in fact not researched one single thing but are instead spending all your time trolling discussion boards with the same empty arguments over and over..?

Because it's probably true.

Some individuals know the truth, but only subconsciously, and their subconscious blocks the information from reaching to their conscious level of mind, which, instead, gets opposite (false) information sent to it to prevent the person from going through the pain of realizing he/she has been wrong all his life.

It's very simple psychology actually. The subconscious mind is in denial, while at the same time the true information/memories are stored there, but never reach the conscious level.



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Dr. Limeback is Canada's leading fluoride authority and, until recently, the country's primary promoter of the controversial additive.

In a surprising newsmaker interview this past April, Dr. Limeback announced a dramatic change of heart. "Children under three should never use fluoridated toothpaste," he counseled. "Or drink fluoridated water. And baby formula must never be made up using Toronto tap water. Never."

What part of NEVER do you not understand!

http://www.drfarid.com/floride.html




Truth passes through 3 stages. 1st-ridicule, 2nd-violently opposed, and 3rd, it's accepted as fact.

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I read his report, and here is a quote:

The major reasons for the general decline of tooth decay worldwide, both in non-fluoridated and fluoridated areas, is the widespread use of fluoridated toothpaste, improved diets, and overall improved general and dental health (antibiotics, preservatives, hygiene etc).


While he does have some rathar good arguements against water flouridation, he does not state anywhere that it is being added to our water by some nefarious organization to control our minds, op poision us. The reason I chose the Flouride stance to attack Jones is that he clearly only talks about it in order to sell people water filters, which is one of the reasons he is a fraud. Even if you set look at his site you can see all of the propaganda techniques that he is using. The way he associates himself with all that stuff, means that people view an attack on him as being an attack on their views on things such as 9/11 and MKULTRA, etc.

"No man is just a number"

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I don't care if he hawks water filters (they are good things to have in any case) cause alot of the other info he puts out is important if disturbing stuff.

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Why is it people are so ready to try and disprove? The narrow mind is the mind that can only go one way whatever that way is.

Forget it, it's not worth it to argue with people here.

"When there is any doubt, there is no doubt; that's the first thing they teach you"

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Master X 3 1 1,
It appears to me you may be one of the classic provocateurs and just trying to create arguments to deface this true patriot. It will not work with us. (Those of us whom have chosen to step outside of the mind control process of the NWO's agenda) can now recognize double think tactics when confronted by them. The association between product advertisements within a web site is not new, and in fact is a main stay because the site needs to pay for itself by selling product exposure space. Also does it not make sense to advertise products that are associated, or have something in common with the site?
The idea of having a water filter product selling to fight the contamination of fluoride in our population seems to fit the site agenda of educating the public to the abuses of corporate America at all costs. I'm sure if there was a filter available that would protect us from Aspartame it would also be available through the web site as well.
If you need more information regarding fluoride contamination, all you need do is google the word and there will be tons of articles and histories of how it was decided to be put into the water systems of America.
Dan Anderson

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Those of us whom have chosen to step outside of the mind control process of the NWO's agenda)

Oh God, I was the one that went by the freakymonkeyfive from the Alex Jones list above. Do you really fall for that crap or are drugged out toddlers kept in honeycombs the norm in your neck of the woods? There is a fine line between discarding the narrow mind (or skepticism) and all out everything that goes in must be true “stupidity.”

KG & Jack Black For Prime Minister!

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knightc6

Alex Jones is a sensationalist who uses half truths and some outright lies to get attention and give himself a platform. While I originally laughed out loud at his antics, thinking no one of good judgement would ever fall for his theatrics and misrepresentations of reality, I now see that apparently South Park was right- 1/4 of Americans are retarded.


Jones may be a sensationalist and a provocateur however he has an agenda which those who oppose him miss entirely. Jones is fighting for accountability of government, something most of those who oppose his views seem to overlook entirely.

Granted he has some strange and way out theories on his site which some and I feel are difficult to swallow however there is much merit to be said for a lot of his arguments and post on many matters pertaining to civil liberties, the constitution and criminal governance.

The moment he tries to exercise discretion of material he will be criticized as some uber-nazi editor who posts only that which he believes and not the beliefs of others. His site is a reflection of his fan base for better or for worse I would much rather that, than some sanitized version.

As for the pathetic arguments of him selling stuff on his website as being a copout, is nothing more than just silliness. The guy has to make a living somehow and pay for the costs of his show and materials. He can sell whatever he likes and we as the public can choose to purchase. How many radio hosts do ads for sponsors whom they personally endorse and profess to use there products? Are they any less credible? Are they somehow nobler than Jones? Do you see how pathetic the argument of sales on his website becomes?

My point is Jones is no saint or magnificent whistleblower, however I regard him as a true patriot for the people and not government. He questions and ridicules government when he comes across dodgy matter.
He is not a slave to the government/corporate media propaganda machine.

“A true patriot is he that questions and holds government to account” – George Washington

“The contest between agreeable fancy and disagreeable fact is unequal. ... We Americans are suckers for good news” Adlai Stevenson

Let’s not throw the whole basket of fruit out just because there are a few rotten apples over at Jones’ website.

If you don’t like the sensationalist Jones how about this well respected member of academia. G.Edward Griffin. www.freedom-force.org

Read his stuff which is truth and backed up with pure facts. If this doesn’t grab you by the scruff of the neck and give you a real wake up then nothing will.

http://freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=issues

Truth passes through 3 stages. 1st-ridicule, 2nd-violently opposed, and 3rd, it's accepted as fact.

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Let’s not throw the whole basket of fruit out just because there are a few rotten apples over at Jones’ website.

Yea, The problem is Jones is the Rotton Apple.


KG & Jack Black For Prime Minister!

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"I have researched almost all of what he says"

Hmm. Why do I get the feeling that you have in fact not researched one single thing but are instead spending all your time trolling discussion boards with the same empty arguments over and over..?

Because it's probably true.

Some individuals know the truth, but only subconsciously, and their subconscious blocks the information from reaching to their conscious level of mind, which, instead, gets opposite (false) information sent to it to prevent the person from going through the pain of realizing he/she has been wrong all his life.

It's very simple psychology actually. The subconscious mind is in denial, while at the same time the true information/memories are stored there, but never reach the conscious level.

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Some individuals know the truth, but only subconsciously, and their subconscious blocks the information from reaching to their conscious level of mind, which, instead, gets opposite (false) information sent to it to prevent the person from going through the pain of realizing he/she has been wrong all his life.

It's very simple psychology actually. The subconscious mind is in denial, while at the same time the true information/memories are stored there, but never reach the conscious level.

Nice bumpersticker. I expect Alex's fans all suffer from delusional repression.

Alex Jones, 100% reliable birth control by keeping believers date free since 1996

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Some individuals know the truth, but only subconsciously, and their subconscious blocks the information from reaching to their conscious level of mind, which, instead, gets opposite (false) information sent to it to prevent the person from going through the pain of realizing he/she has been wrong all his life.

It's very simple psychology actually. The subconscious mind is in denial, while at the same time the true information/memories are stored there, but never reach the conscious level.


That are very fine words.
But do you actually have any evidence of your claim???
Ofcourse you dont.

You just hope that you can spread enough missinformation for a long enough time, for people to accept your lies.
It is you who are living in denial, you want the world to be an evil place where the whole world is run by very few people. You dont want the world to be logical, as the official explanation is.

All conspiracy theories are political, not scientific. That is why very few of them are true.

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@juan-93

I don't care if he hawks water filters (they are good things to have in any case) cause alot of the other info he puts out is important if disturbing stuff.


I might agree that he puts out important info, but the fact that he hawks filters (among other things) means that it's likely he is in it for monetary motives.

@Calos

Why is it people are so ready to try and disprove? The narrow mind is the mind that can only go one way whatever that way is.

Forget it, it's not worth it to argue with people here.


Why are you so eager to disprove official 9/11 stories? If you are unable to examine critically various views you hold, you are the one with the closed mind.


@mrda-1

Master X 3 1 1,
It appears to me you may be one of the classic provocateurs and just trying to create arguments to deface this true patriot. It will not work with us. (Those of us whom have chosen to step outside of the mind control process of the NWO's agenda) can now recognize double think tactics when confronted by them. The association between product advertisements within a web site is not new, and in fact is a main stay because the site needs to pay for itself by selling product exposure space. Also does it not make sense to advertise products that are associated, or have something in common with the site?
The idea of having a water filter product selling to fight the contamination of fluoride in our population seems to fit the site agenda of educating the public to the abuses of corporate America at all costs. I'm sure if there was a filter available that would protect us from Aspartame it would also be available through the web site as well.
If you need more information regarding fluoride contamination, all you need do is google the word and there will be tons of articles and histories of how it was decided to be put into the water systems of America.
Dan Anderson


You have steped out of the NWO mind control process... and into the Alex Jones Brainwash process. There is nothing wrong with having ads on a webpage. There is something wrong when a news webpage presents news stories about dangerous water, and then sells you the solution to them. Same for the food that he sells, and webhosting, and mugs, etc. His site is basically Conspiracies inc. As for flouridation there are good arguments for both sides. However what persuades me, is that the vast majority of health professionals are in favour of flouride.

@Mr5150

Jones may be a sensationalist and a provocateur however he has an agenda which those who oppose him miss entirely. Jones is fighting for accountability of government, something most of those who oppose his views seem to overlook entirely.

Granted he has some strange and way out theories on his site which some and I feel are difficult to swallow however there is much merit to be said for a lot of his arguments and post on many matters pertaining to civil liberties, the constitution and criminal governance.

The moment he tries to exercise discretion of material he will be criticized as some uber-nazi editor who posts only that which he believes and not the beliefs of others. His site is a reflection of his fan base for better or for worse I would much rather that, than some sanitized version.



How is being against government accountability the same as being against Jones? forgive me if that is not what you meant, but it is another way that he has associated himself with issues so much that attacking him is the same as attacking the issues. It is a classic propaganda technique. And no I do not have a problem with people sponsering things. I do have a problem if say, a newscaster does a story on how Pepsi makes you live to 100. On the plus side, that website you posted looks possibly legit.


@rayrnames

What those other guys said.



And finally for all those who keep saying that He is "A true Patriot"


"Patriotisim is the last refuge of a scoundrel"




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I might agree that he puts out important info, but the fact that he hawks filters (among other things) means that it's likely he is in it for monetary motives.

I suppose "monetary motives" should never be taken into account because guys like Alex Jones don't need to pay bills and making films and maintaining an info dispensing enterprise doesn't cost anything as we all know.

Shame on him for having to make a living.

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You can debate Terrorstorm here:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0863037/board/thread/58453927

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I'm sorry, but there is nothing logical about the offical 9/11 story given by the government.

According to the official statement, on 9/11 the fires were so hot from each plane's jet fuel that the steel construction melted and the floors gave-way, giving life to the "pancake theory". This would mean that the fires had to be at or above 1535ºC (2795ºF), which is the melting point of steel. The max temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air [a blue flame]) is nearly half that at approximately 825ºC (1517ºF).

FEMA's own final report on the destruction of the towers stated that, "The heat produced by burning jet fuel does not by itself appear to have been sufficient to initiate the structural collapse."

Battalion Seven Chief, Orio J. Palmer, as recorded on the firefighter radio transmissions that were later confiscated and hushed under orders of National Security, relayed that they had "two isolated pockets of fire" in the South Tower, and they "should be able to knock it down with two lines."
The dark smoke that was billowing from the structures is a tell-tale sign that the fires were suffocating, and not raging like the official account would like us to believe. There are no flames shooting up the sides of the towers, and none pouring out the windows of the floors above. Furthermore, there are pictures of people standing in the gaping hole left allegedly by Flight 11, holding onto the bent exterior columns looking down the side of the building - proving the heat couldn't have been that intense.


"But what about all the jet fuel?"
Remember the enormous fireballs that everyone saw erupt from the buildings as each of the planes hit their respective towers? THAT's the jet fuel.

Fuel, along with other highly flammable materials, evaporates fast and burns even faster. When that type of combustible material is packed into a container, such as a metal fuel tank under high pressure, any spark or incendiary device that comes in contact with the material or fumes will create an explosion. The explosion propels the liquFirebreather demonstrating an excellerant-induced fireball.id outward, thinning out the density of the fuel, which allows it to spread out and burn off large amounts quickly all at once. This is easily demonstrated by "fire-breathers". When they spit the flammable liquid into the flame, they spray it with their mouths. This causes the liquid to burn up in the air creating a huge fireball.

In the PBS/Nova special Why The Towers Fell, Professor Jonathan Barnett from the Worcester Polytechnic Institute, who also appeared in the TLC documentary World Trade Center: Anatomy of the Collapse, states: "The role of the jet fuel...although it was hot, it only lasted a short period of time. It's very similar to using lighter fluid on a charcoal fire. It ignites the charcoal and then burns out."

Even if there were "pools of jet fuel", FEMA's own report states that it wouldn't have gotten hot enough to bring down the Towers.

The "theory" put forth by our governmental officials is that the heat produced by the fire in both towers was so great from the jet fuel that it melted the steel trusses & columns, causing every floor to fall on top of one another. They dubbed this the "pancake" theory.

In the 9/11 Commission Report, they contend that the only support columns were on the outer edge of the towers' construction and that the middle of each building was nothing more than hollowed-out elevator shafts. In reality, there were 47 steel-core columns that ran up the center of each building. The steel used for these columns was some of the thickest, strongest steel to ever be used in construction, and measured over 2-feet in depth. The official theory just doesn't jive when these columns come into the picture.

So why would the Towers collapse completely -- nearly the same as free-fall speed -- without any resistance from the ground floors beneath, while leaving none of the structure standing [except for the small beam assemblies at the base], turning the concrete and office furniture into dust and then shredding the occupants to pieces? We all saw the section of the South Tower above the fires begin to tip over the edge, so why did it disintegrate into the collapse instead of break off and tumble onto the street?

And then there's the eyewitnesses...

Scores of first-hand reports by pedestrians, reporters, firemen and police - most of which were televised the day of September 11th and never aired again - confirm the presence of explosive devices that were planted around the interior of each of the Towers. Reports of the lobbies being blown out from blasts occurring in the sublevels of each of the towers were common among FDNY's first responders.

Phillip Morelli, 37, is a construction worker at the WTC who lived through several blasts that occurred in the sublevels of both buildings, which knocked out entire walls in the basement -kiliing, maiming, and injuring dozens of people. Morelli was on level B4 -- 4 floors below ground -- when he experienced several explosions, both during and after the impacts of the planes.

According to 9/11 hero, William Rodriguez, the last person to leave the North Tower alive, who himself rescued 14 people that day, he was in sublevel one and there was an explosion which shook the building and cracked the walls. Seconds later, his co-worker came running in -- on fire with skin peeling off his arms - yelling "Explosion! Explosion!", and then right as Rodriguez had time to process what was going on, a second explosion rocked the building: The alleged impact of American Airlines Flight 11.

On 9/12/01, Fireman Louie Cacchioli told People Magazine: "I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building."

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According to the official statement, on 9/11 the fires were so hot from each plane's jet fuel that the steel construction melted and the floors gave-way, giving life to the "pancake theory". This would mean that the fires had to be at or above 1535ºC (2795ºF), which is the melting point of steel. The max temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air [a blue flame]) is nearly half that at approximately 825ºC (1517ºF).

FEMA's own final report on the destruction of the towers stated that, "The heat produced by burning jet fuel does not by itself appear to have been sufficient to initiate the structural collapse."


WRONG RIGHT OFF THE BAT……

The other lie in the "truth" movement is the characterization of what the NIST said was the cause of the collapse.

1) The NIST NEVER said burning jet fuel was the cause of the collapse
The impacts also spread jet fuel into the buildings. Not all the fuel was used in the fire ball. In fact, eye witnesses say jet fuel was creating curtains of fire as it poured down from the impact zone. But the jet fuel only started the fires. It was never the NIST's contention that the jet fuel brought down the buildings as conspiracy theorists suggest. Conspiracy theorists use this as a straw man. They say the jet fuel couldn't have bowed the columns and sagged trusses. Just as lighter fluid doesn't cook your meat in a barbeque, the jet fuel didn't sag the trusses or bow the columns. You also can't leave this important factor out either. Conspiracy theorists say the columns couldn't have bowed and the trusses couldn't have sagged because the jet fuel wasn't hot enough and was used up within about 15 minutes of impact. That's like saying your meat didn't cook in your barbeque because the lighter fluid burns too quickly. All the jet fuel did was act as lighter fluid and intensify the fire for about 15 minutes.


whitepowerdog-It gets important to NOTE they are jewish, when detecting a conspiracy.

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On 9/12/01, Fireman Louie Cacchioli told People Magazine: "I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building."

Consider how the conspiracists have abused 20-year veteran New York City firefighter Louie Cacchioli. A People magazine article attributed this quote about WTC 7 to Cacchioli after the attacks: "We think there was [sic] bombs set in the building." But Cacchioli told Popular Mechanics he was misquoted: "I said, 'It sounded like a bomb.' I tried to explain what I meant [after the fact], but it was already out there."

Cacchioli has been contacted repeatedly by people hoping he will say there were bombs in WTC 7, but he refuses to do so. According to the book, Cacchioli is "distressed at the inaccurate use of his name in conjunction with conspiracy theories."


whitepowerdog-It gets important to NOTE they are jewish, when detecting a conspiracy.

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Battalion Seven Chief, Orio J. Palmer, as recorded on the firefighter radio transmissions that were later confiscated and hushed under orders of National Security, relayed that they had "two isolated pockets of fire" in the South Tower, and they "should be able to knock it down with two lines."
The dark smoke that was billowing from the structures is a tell-tale sign that the fires were suffocating, and not raging like the official account would like us to believe. There are no flames shooting up the sides of the towers, and none pouring out the windows of the floors above. Furthermore, there are pictures of people standing in the gaping hole left allegedly by Flight 11, holding onto the bent exterior columns looking down the side of the building - proving the heat couldn't have been that intense.


Yes, He was on the 78th floor and the main blaze was on the 80th and above, Two small fires, covering NYC In a huge cloud of smoke. Sure, someone must have left the oven on.

The picture of (one person) is one who jumped, was trying to get air, and the claim is so obtuse, in any fire, home, office or forest, you do you not expect hot and cold spots? Fire moves, consumes, this is not a oven maintaining a solid temperature throughout at a given point it time.

whitepowerdog-It gets important to NOTE they are jewish, when detecting a conspiracy.

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Hey MasterShake. I was just wondering. Why is it so important for you to debunk
all of the so called "conspiracy nuts" ?? Will it make the world a better place? Will it improve your quality of life? Or maybe you just enjoy the challenge of a debate. Well I couldnt help but notice that you have spent alot of time on this board "debunking". So I have to assume you are a paid government troll or you are completely terrified at the thought that some of the "conspiracy theories" are true.
Heres the thing, I dont want to believe that the Government could do bad things to its own people. What I what is justice for the people. I want my country back!! So keep that in mind when post your snide little remarks over and over. Most of us dont care that every little detail on terror storm is correct. We want to get to the bottom of some very fishy events that have changed our country forever. If you cant see that something is very wrong with our Government then you are truly deluded.

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So I have to assume you are a paid government troll

MUHAHAHAHA
LOL, LOL, LOL.

You just used Conspiracy-Paranoia-101:
If a person does not support your theory, then they are part of this massive conspiracy.
Pathetic.

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That you actually think that someone is a paid-government-troll really shows that you have no grip on reality.

You also show lack of understanding of other people´s oppinion. You think that your oppinion on 9/11 is the only correct one.
You just call people government-paid-troll because you cant relpy to the persons reasoning.
If you cant come up with an answer you ridicule the person asking it - pathetic.

It has proven over and over again that all 9/11-conspiracy theories are all political motivated lies:
www.911myths.com
All the lies put forth by conspiracy theorists are explained and disproven on that website - check it out, if you dare.

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So once again you cant answer my simple question. YOU ARE PATHETIC. Its a fact that the government pays people to debunk. Heres the link numbnuts.
http://www.teambio.org/2006/07/government-trolls-our-tax-dollars-at-work/

Your attempt to cast me as delusional does not change the fact the you cant answer my simple question about motivation.

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cybertiledude: move out of your mothers basement and get a job. Watching x-files all summer has clearly had an affect on your mind.

teambio.org sounds as creditable as George Bush honesty.

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Haha, right, you are the one using the immature language, and you are calling me pathetic - Haha, you are priceless, cybertileude.

My personal moivation to debunk all the Conspiracy-lies about 9/11, is that i hate when paranoia somehow gets viewed as fact. When speculation gets turned into fact.
I am a conspiracy-basher. Ever since i saw a conspiracy-muckumentary, by a french director, named "Operation Lune". TV told it was fact. As an idiot i believed it blindly: because it is was on TV. Then years later i found out that it was a fake documentary, to highlight how easy it is to make people believe any conspiracy with a documentary with made-up facts. And at that point i knew how Hitler had made his lies into fiction. I knew the horrible power of the Conspiracy theorists. And i knew that i had to fight it.
Because if Conspriacy theories are not challenced at every given moment, then they turn into fact for most people.

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ts a fact that the government pays people to debunk. Heres the link numbnuts.
http://www.teambio.org/2006/07/government-trolls-our-tax-dollars-at-work/

Your attempt to cast me as delusional does not change the fact the you cant answer my simple question about motivation.


OK, I read it, not sourced to any real extent. It's the net, if you think people are paid to debunk 9/11 nutjob theories anywhere, of all places a movie board, you are DELUSIONAL. But this is the tactic now used by the dying movement. If you can't debate facts, just throw out a straw man label to discredit the other side. It is so much easier than supporting your viewpoint.

HUMPTY DUMPTY WAS PUSHED...www.PressForDumptyTruth.org

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God, you guys deserve your crazy government.

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So what does MasterShake think about Bush joking about being a dictator?

Or perhaps Bush joking about WMDs at the Correspondents Dinner?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ
He's such a good fellow *cough*

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So what does MasterShake think about Bush joking about being a dictator?

Never voted for the guy, but if it was a joke as you say so what.

I own the David Shayler Board: Bunker & adrian365 do not!

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I am hired by a Government Agency.
We have your IP-Addressee. You will have a visit soon.

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HILARIOUS.

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anyone who believe that fluoride in the water is healthy for your teeth is very ignorant and have no clue waht they are talking about what so ever. Fluoride was used in the Nazi consentration camps on the prisoners so their mind would become dull and uninterested and easily controlled. It's very sad to see many people just believing what the goverment tells you as like they don't know how to lie. Humans lie a lot, why wouldn't the goverment. It's time to start realizing that something is very WRONG, those who don't just sold their freedom and life. Stop believing Fox News, BBC, CNN etc. These channels are proved to do propaganda to twist your political way of thinking after what suits those in power over them. Your basicly being brainwashed by the media, your school etc. Just sitting there letting your world becoming a insane police state to enslave your and take away every right you have to do anything. This is happening all the time without people noticing ANYTHING. Start reading news that isn't from the goverment controlled media!

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Yes, it's true that there are many items up for sale on his website. But he needs revenue for his many films exposing the lies of this government. keep in mind, he looks the other way when purchasers of his DVDs widely distribute his films on the Internet and make copies for distribution for friends and associates. That is a lot of lost revenue for his cause.










Live Long and Prosper!

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But he needs revenue for his many films exposing the lies of this government.

What lies?

Jeromes Favorite Dream -

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The lies of this government are well documented all through his documentaries. Did you even bother to watch them? If so, did you take notes and did some research?

Live Long and Prosper!

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The lies of this government are well documented all through his documentaries. Did you even bother to watch them?

Yes and they are TOTAL BS!

If so, did you take notes and did some research?

Read this long thread and you tell me if I did.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0863037/board/thread/58453927

Jeromes Favorite Dream -

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Yes, I see you have indeed. You seem to have a gift for analysis and writing them out. Why not write them up as an e-book and create a website from it. There might even be some money in it. In any event, it would help create dialogue for many of the conspiracy theories out.

BTW, I am a New Yorker and was there on September 11th. Actually, anyone living and working in Manhattan that morning could not help but see it happen. Then there was the depressing makeshift memorials that were on every single block in New York City. Whoever was responsible for 9/11 knew exactly what would shred the heart of every New Yorker.

I respect the reaction of people outside of New York City and the world, but living in New York brought the reality of how dangerous this world is, home unlike any other place. So, when I say that I believe Alex Jones and that 9/11 was an inside job, I don't take that position lightly. Make no mistake, 9/11 WAS an inside job!



Live Long and Prosper!

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There might even be some money in it

I'm not interested in death money.

Make no mistake, 9/11 WAS an inside job!

Evidence?


Jeromes Favorite Dream -

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"He says some true things, but that does not excuse him from being a fraud."

Can you tell me exactly how that phrase makes any sense at all? He says true things, yet he's a fraud? Jeez, can you say uneducated sheep??

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