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Questions for 'truthers'


1. The main one: how has the government covered up an operation that would have involved thousands of people?

2. If the primary motivation was for oil, then how come the US government seems to have lost trillions fighting terrorism and yet still buys its oil?

3. If everything was faked, then why wasn't it faked better? Real life always creates anomalies: but why would the government allow conspiracy theorists a foot in the door?

4. How come none of your evidence is based on irrefutable fact rather than niggling inconsistencies? Isn't that what "the truth" needs, a fully fleshed and logical picture?

5. But if you do have those facts, then why hasn't the government killed you yet?

THEREFORE:

a. Since you don't have facts, otherwise by your own theory you'd be killed ...
b. Since therefore anything you you have is conjecture and fully explainable by chaos theory ...
c. Since psychologists have explained that conspiracy theories arise when people try to match large events with large causes (i.e. "it couldn't have been ONE MAN who killed Kennedy ...") because the alternative is that we live in a universe where small, almost meaningless things can have far-reaching and impossible-to-fully-collate consequences (as outlined by chaos theory) ...

... are you sure that _we're_ the "sheeple"?

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1. money and threats. How many people came out in Germany to them, possibly (hopefulloy)expose the Rheistag fire?
2.Iraq was starting a market for paying for oile with the Euro. That was possibly one of the main reasons why the war was started.
3. "faked better"?. You meaan the fakery is too obvious?
4. How come the government is not giving out any real proof to support the "official story". We are just expected to believe what thay say, even though they have been proven to be lying (about WMDs eg.)
5. To start killing people for practicing free speech would take the issue agaist the killers. This would cause a riot. Therefore they settle for mocking truthers on Fox and other government contolled "news".

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1. money and threats. How many people came out in Germany to them, possibly (hopefulloy)expose the Rheistag fire?

So the government paid off and threatened thousands of people without a single whistleblower? And your Reichstag fire analogy is useless because it didn't involve any where near the number of people 9/11 would have needed.

2.Iraq was starting a market for paying for oile with the Euro. That was possibly one of the main reasons why the war was started.

That doesn't make any sense. The U.S. bought only a small percentage of it's oil from the middle east. To this day, we still don't buy much oil at all from the middle east. Most U.S. oil imports come from Canada and Mexico.

3. "faked better"?. You meaan the fakery is too obvious?

There wasn't any fakery but the things you think ARE fakes are things a 12 year would have caught. The BBC "annoucning" WTC 7 coming down before it did, Silverstein "admitting" on air that the building was demoed, things like this. You think these are "smoking guns" but they're not.

4. How come the government is not giving out any real proof to support the "official story". We are just expected to believe what thay say, even though they have been proven to be lying (about WMDs eg.)

What is your idea of "real proof"? Seriously, I want to know. I mean we've seen report after report from dozens of agencies and universities that back up what happened. The idea of there being no proof is just beyond ridiculous. And if the government couldn't back up the WMD claim, why do you think they could pull off 9/11?

5. To start killing people for practicing free speech would take the issue agaist the killers. This would cause a riot.

So the government is afraid of starting a riot? They have no problem with killing 3000 of it's own people but they're afraid of a riot? Do you fully comprehend how stupid that is?!

Therefore they settle for mocking truthers on Fox and other government contolled "news".

That's because it's just so easy to do. Truthers have no proof or evidence so all they have are ridiculous ideas and conjecture. It's easy to mock something that makes no sense.




As a disciple of science, I don't believe a plane can fly into a building. - McMike1

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"1. The main one: how has the government covered up an operation that would have involved thousands of people?"
Where do you get the idea that thousands of people were involved?

"2. If the primary motivation was for oil, then how come the US government seems to have lost trillions fighting terrorism and yet still buys its oil?"
There is a huge difference between "the government" and those who profit from most government actions or policies, ie; Halliburton, Exxon, KBR, etc.

"5. But if you do have those facts, then why hasn't the government killed you yet?"
You're kidding, right?

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1. The amount of people it would take to fake the attack on the pentagon alone would be thousands. Apart from the "placing" of wreckage etc., the training of the terrorists, and the amount of government people who would have to be involved in a project with the sort of budget needed for such an operation would, ultimately, be thousands.

2. No, that doesn't really do it for me. Sorry. The government waged the most expensive war of the last three decades to help out some oil companies?

5. Well, not really. You define yourself by what you call "the truth", but the truth requires facts, and you don't have those: if you did, a government that killed thousands of its citizens would definitely kill a few geeks threatening to blow its operation.

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If the Government has the power to lie about not only the Gulf of Tonkin incident, control the media, the radio, television, the internet, tap your phones illegally, lie about the JFK assassination, provoke war (Vietnam, WWII), control gas prices, lie about Roswell and Area 51, control the US border, place life sentences on marijuana farmers and dealers, yet release crack cocaine into the ghetto's of New York and give child molesters minor jail sentences, and lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction, I'm almost certain the government can lie to the people about September 11th. It's not that hard. They have the power to do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want, and whoever doesn't like it, they can easily eliminate them.

Don't go on one your predictable anti-conspirator rants and say "Oh where's your proof? Where's your proof?" Shut the *beep* up, and open your eyes. The proof is right there in front of you." It's whether or not you choose to grasp that reality and see the world for what it really is, that separates the "truthers" from the willfully ignorant.

Nobody knows what the truth is anymore, because nowadays anything can be altered. Stories get changed, lies are added, pictures are altered, etc. The news does it EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Open your eyes and open your mind. Realize this country is becoming a police state, and there is nothing we can do to stop it.

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See you don't have a shred of "proof" for those allegations at all, and you do yourself a disservice by including minor but established incidents alongside such massive claims. The Gulf of Tonkin incident was exaggerated, yes, but if it hadn't happened there would have been any other amount of incendiary actions in a fraught region to choose from. The WMD weren't lies, but they were based on dodgy intelligence that the forces were under political pressure to say was solid, and considering we were dealing with a dictator who refused to show weapons inspectors into the country, one can understand this false inference. Anyway both these events were reported by our free media - and unsuppressed by the government - so doesn't that give the lie to what you're saying?

The Government do not have the power to do whatever they want. One word: Nixon. Read my OP more carefully next time. If the whole government was a conspiracy, this would involve millions of people. The fact that we know about some of the dodgy things the CIA used to do shows that the US Government cannot suppress information. I have an open mind - I know that torture has been used, that systems have been infiltrated, that threats have been 'compromised' - but that's very different than saying that 9/11 was this amazing cover-up. You and I live in opposite worlds - you live in one where the CIA experiments on aliens and brainwashes thousands of workers. I live in one where democratically elected family men occasionally perpetrate acts of evil, some of which is reported.

There is no proof right in front of me. Your argument defeats itself, for any all-powerful government would easily be able to suppress the truths your argument requires, so you might as well say that your government are actually frog-people who have invaded our world to capture our rainbows. Your argument also presupposes that at some point in US history there was a massive jump from Lincoln and a bunch of normal men in government to a widespread organisation of evil, without ever there being a leak, and all this without the benefit of technology. In my version of history government never changed, but the CIA started getting a bit carried away in the period between McCarthyism and the Intelligence Authorization act of '91, resulting in several widely-reported scandals that have been blown out of proportion by conspiracy theorists.

The difference between your version and mine is that mine makes sense - there are no leaps of faith required, no gaps of history, no ignoring the basic make-up of human psychology. That is because mine is the one that accounts for facts: open your mind yourself and get a bit of learning into you, and you'll see that what you believe is the child of 60s counter-culture fairy tales and nothing more.

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