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What do you want to see from Sam in the sequel?

posted 8 years ago by mutantaliendemon
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The main thing I loved about Sam in the first movie was that he was this little demonic trick or treater. His battle with Kreeg and punishment of Emma set him up as a cool new horror character. But there was more to Sam than that. In the other stories he appears as either an observer or maybe even the instigator of events. In these stories he doesn't actually do the killing/punishing himself but seems to be very interested if not directly involved, basically the enforcer of the rules of Halloween.
Having just read the new graphic novel written by Michael Dougherty and what I believe will be his writing partners on the sequel, it appears that they are going for the idea that Sam is in fact the spirit of Halloween. Why does Sam have to be the spirit of Halloween entirely, why not just concentrate on the trick or treat side of Halloween? In these new stories Sam is seen only as a spirit/vision who has looked the same since the 1600s. Why footy pajamas in 1640 Ireland? I guess for me if you are trying to say Sam is basically the god of Halloween he would not take the form of a costumed child through all time. The final story features a shrouded reaper type character that seems to be in charge. I like this idea much better, Sam being some trickster type who works for Death. I want to see Sam doing more mischievous prankster stuff and not just being some omnipotent presence.
When asked what I want from a sequel I don't really think an origin story is necessary. Michael Dougherty has recently said that he does not want to do an origin of Sam that he wants to keep him mysterious and I agree with that. But I do feel they need to decide if Sam is going to be the demonic trick or treating prankster or if he is some all-powerful spirit that observes and influences more than actually killing.

[–] RobsBottin 8 years ago

Sam is more of a gimmick than a fully fledged character. He is an 'observer' until someone breaks the rules. Thoroughly enjoyed Trick 'r Treat. For the sequel I would like the film makers to include a story about a Witch or a perhaps a coven of Witches. Love that type of story which hasn't been touched on very much although Robert Egger's The VVitch looks promising..

It's all a deep end.

[–] mstvincent 8 years ago

I want more of that adorable S.O.B. climbing upside down on the roof because it was creepy, adorable and *beep* hilarious.

[–] TheForceInBalance 8 years ago

Why does Sam have to be the spirit of Halloween entirely

Because that's how he was written. Dougherty created him to be a mascot character for Halloween on the same level as Santa Claus for Christmas or Cupid for Valentine's Day. Spirit of Halloween incarnate comes with the position.

In these new stories Sam is seen only as a spirit/vision who has looked the same since the 1600s. Why footy pajamas in 1640 Ireland?

Because that's his established iconic look. To change it up just for the comic would've just been unnecessarily confusing.

if you are trying to say Sam is basically the god of Halloween he would not take the form of a costumed child through all time

Except he is and he does. As of now, that is Sam's currently established canon.

The final story features a shrouded reaper type character that seems to be in charge.

Except it isn't in charge. It's just Death. The same physical manifestation of Death we've had for a long time and that we're all familiar with.

I like this idea much better, Sam being some trickster type who works for Death.

Yeah, no. Death is a force of nature. Sam is the living (undead?) embodiment of Halloween. Whether he is as powerful as Death or more powerful remains to be seen. But he certainly doesn't work for him.

I want to see Sam doing more mischievous prankster stuff and not just being some omnipotent presence.

It's a little too late for that. He has indeed become an omnipotent presence.

But I do feel they need to decide if Sam is the ultimate trick or treater or if he is some all-powerful spirit with god like power.

Most likely the latter, at this point. His costume, his trick or treating guise, is nothing more than something he uses to blend in with everyone else on Halloween night so he can keep an eye out for those that violate the rules, rituals, and traditions of Halloween.