So is everyone on IMDB 'right wing' or what? - Terra (2009) Discussion

[–] lentr 15 years ago

The fact is it isn't very balanced. It depicts humanity as ruthlessly doing what it has to to survive, which it would... but why the heck are the aliens such cute huggy wuggy teddy bears themselves?

If the movie had aliens that were mature, realistic, and sought to eliminate the upstart humans who came out of nowhere to attack them, then sure, it might be a better movie. Instead the aliens are oh so wise, compassionate, want to find the best solution for everyone, blah blah blah.

From what I've seen this movie is like watching Satan attack freaking Care Bear land.

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[–] everlone_2000 15 years ago

This post is actually hilarious.

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[–] MarkyMark81 15 years ago

Think about what you just said right there

"The aliens should've been more realistic"

WTF?

Aliens are whatever their creator decides they are.

I'm sure aliens exist but seriously... untill a human actually meets one then nobody has a say on what makes an alien realistic.

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[–] prterrell 15 years ago

"From what I've seen this movie is like watching Satan attack freaking Care Bear land."

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Would you mind if I added that to my sig?

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[–] lekgolah 14 years ago

I didn't mind the film for siding with the aliens but I agree with your point.

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[–] eggsnchips 13 years ago

Have any of you actually seen this movie? The alien's may be portrayed as 'care bears' at first but Mala is shocked to discover the elders have a huge supply of weapons and ships in case of war. I thought that was a really good element of the movie. It wasn't just some of the humans being disgusted at the actions of their race, some of the aliens were too.

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[–] Tarquin_Q_Zanzibar 10 years ago

"The fact is it isn't very balanced"

Why should it be? The whole point is that in this particular scenario, the aliens that appear out of nowhere and start attacking the population of the planet with the intention of conquest are humans, the innocent and unwary victims being those of another planet, in a nice reversal of convention. Besides, that is not a "fact", but an opinion.

The lack of balance lies in the fact that it's nearly always the alien who unleash an assault on a planet, bent on conquest, and the plucky earthlings are the victims who win through with courage and moral fortitude. Have you ever complained about the lack of "balance" in portraying aliens in Independence Day"?
So this filmed decided upon a role reversal - nice idea. Of course as we would naturally tend to sympathise with humans it was important not to paint the entire race as villainous, hence it was a usurping military commander who set about genocide.

Your complaint about the aliens being "oh so wise, compassionate, want to find the best solution for everyone, blah blah blah" is not supported by what we see in the movie; even before the attack we can see that their world is peaceful, but at the cost of a degree of censorship and a conservative parochialism that does not well tolerate unsettling ideas from it's citizens; it has a secret advanced warfare facility - how "peaceful" is that? The film also makes it clear that the peaceful conditions at the time of these events were a direct consequence of the violence of the past. Perhaps you think that other races, unlike humans, could actually learn from their past mistakes?

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[–] hypersonic8999 9 years ago

Just wanted to point out, that you are missing the point. The film depicts what two species with about the same past came to two entirely different choices on what they'd do with their future. It posits the question of who do we want to actually be? The Humans or the Terrians? You are doing the same mistake that Jim's brother did in the film when he was first introduced: siding with the humans just because they are humans.

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[–] horatiohornblower 15 years ago

People dont have to be "liberal left-wing nuts" to see that liberals WILL eat this stuff up, because thats part of how people like that act, and this is usually the stuff they produce, and despite the quote about the stars "joining for the CGI" the celebs in this also joined the cast after seeing the dialogue in a near-final cut. Yeah, Hollywood isnt leftist at all, thats no motive for some tiny shack of a production facility to all of a sudden get a bunch of Hollywood celebs involved...and if you believe that...

Most of the world, however, is in the middle, including myself and gets sick of extreme views in either direction. Sorry but this so far feels like something coming out of left field.

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[–] Felix-La-PuBelle 12 years ago

I find that people that tend to insist they are in the middle rarely are.

That said, this is a cartoon about aliens and humans with humans simply being the bad guys in this situation. It's a plot twist...not a grand scheme by whatever political cabal one may think is out there.

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[–] District9 15 years ago

People have ALWAYS been the bad guys in real life with our wars, genocides, environmental destructions, waste disposals, garbage pileups, C02 emissions, religious hate, human stupidity, anger, and ignorance.

The difference is, MOST humans would rather have the world at peace than at war. Nobody wants genocides, environmental destruction, garbage pileups, religious hate, anger and ignorance. Most people try to fight that stuff. It looks like all humans are portrayed like that in the movie.

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[–] Grill_Vogel 15 years ago

What is it with everyone seriously.
If any of these angry people did their homework, they'd know that it's based on a short film the creator had wanted to make for like ten years. Ever since he read War of the Worlds. He was irritated with the way aliens were portrayed and thought it'd be cool to turn it around.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5m2ja_terra-short-movie_shortfilms

Why does everyone on the internet go out of their way to be super political all the time.

Good premise makes good sci-fi. Get over it.

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[–] nathanbaker10 15 years ago

Well, he's been waiting for 10 years to make it... and it gets made at a time like this? It could very well be a coincidence but I doubt it.

I haven't seen this movie so I can't judge it, per se, but after reading the synopsis... Wow, it is overtly liberal propaganda disguised as a kids movie. Wall-E has a somewhat similar plot: "alien" (robot, but, you get the idea) is on a ruined planet, that humans ruined, etc. But it was done with tact, done in the way that was sympathetic to humans, and in a very natural way that didn't point the fingers at anyone.

This movie, however, sounds more like a way to make people feel scared and/or guilty (whereas Wall-E, IMO, attempted to make people realize that even if environmental problems aren't occuring at rapid rates, they'll happen gradually and we won't have time to stop them). But nope, we get some thing about WMDs and a society that banned war and all things yucky. Come on. Unlikely.

But yeah, I figure far-left people will eat this crap up--hopefully not though; I almost get the feeling that it's TOO obvious that it's propaganda and people, left or right, will avoid it.

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[–] Ricochetmatt 15 years ago

Idle, I saw this today and let me say.. It was very accurate to how Humans are. The right wing a$$holes always some how get control of the entire picture and unleash hell. That happens in this movie.

There are still good Humans who do not want to invade... But of course, in comes the war hungry bastard who kills kills kills, having no heart or soul whatsever. Face it.. this is Humanity. Humans are villains. To ourselves, to our planet, to nature... We're (for the most part) violent, power hungry and ignorant.

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[–] hyena-6 14 years ago

I haven't seen this movie so I can't judge it,

Than why did you?

Wow, it is overtly liberal propaganda disguised as a kids movie.

If you had seen the movie, you would have seen that the aliens were at one time warlike. And not all of the humans were interested in domination.

Wall-E has a somewhat similar plot:

It did?

"alien" (robot, but, you get the idea) is on a ruined planet, that humans ruined, etc

Did you see the same Wall-E that I saw? Because that was not the plot of the movie I had viewed. The Wall-E I saw was about a robot left behind on a planet, while humans continued to do things out of tradition, with no knowledge of why they were doing it. The robot evolved into an intelligent being and ended up liberating them from tradition.

This movie, however, sounds more like a way to make people feel scared and/or guilty

I do not know who is scared or guilty of a fictional story that took place a few thousand (or million) years from now. It did have a few messages that one could read into that may make a Westerner feel "scared" or "guilty" for the way indigenous peoples were treated by colonizing forces.

(whereas Wall-E, IMO, attempted to make people realize that even if environmental problems aren't occuring at rapid rates, they'll happen gradually and we won't have time to stop them)

Again, this was really part of the premise of Wall-E, but not the plot. The environmental problems were really not of concern in Wall-E. The people had to wait until life was detected on Earth again, and when it was, they were slaves to tradition. Technology (apparently manufactured by Apple) was their savior.

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[–] nathanbaker10 14 years ago

You're doing exactly what people in the news do: taking my words, cutting out certain parts and making it look like I said something I didn't. Look, I can't see the movie so I can't judge it--PER SE. In other words, I can't make a judgment and stick to it because for all I know I'm completely wrong. That's what my previous statement was supposed to imply.

Again, the plot of Terra is similar to Wall-E, at least based on Terra's trailer. That's all I meant.

How are people scared/guilty over a fictional story? Are you just patronizing my now? People aren't scared of the movie, they're (at least I'm implying) scared of the message that the movie attempts to send.

Your summary of Wall-E is apt but mine is as well; yours builds on mine but still one of the themes of Wall-E is that we can't (or shouldn't) sit by and watch are planet go down the drain just because we may not believe in a hot-button issue.

Anyway much of this is moot for me now. I wrote that post around a year and a half ago when I would have considered myself a conservative. A lot changes while you're no longer under the direct pressure of your parents' influence :). I don't know that I'd call myself cynical but this whole idea that everything in Hollywood must somehow revert back to American politics just seems ridiculous to me now. Now I'm actually looking forward to watch this movie (I had forgotten about it until I got a notice about your reply).

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[–] trollomatic 14 years ago

<<<What is it with everyone seriously.
If any of these angry people did their homework, they'd know that it's based on a short film the creator had wanted to make for like ten years. Ever since he read War of the Worlds. He was irritated with the way aliens were portrayed and thought it'd be cool to turn it around.

like the way aliens are portrayed in

"My Favorite Martian", "Out of This World", "Star Trek", "Mork & Mindy", etcetera.

He didn't turn anything around regarding the way aliens were portrayed.

He isn't as original as he thinks he is.

I've noticed that from some other producers while listening to commentaries on dvvds.

They think they inventerd stuff they didn't since the things they invented were aroumnd long before they ever produced anything and even long before they were ever born.

Such as the claim they inveted the black fade between scenes for tv. In the 2000's!!!

Nope. Those were aronnd LONG BEFORE that. They did NOT invent that, although they claim they did.'

And the claim that they were the firstproducers and tv show to show a minority African-American in a Saturday morning cartoon series produced in the 1980's!!!

Nope. I don't know when the first was, but I know for a fact that "Josie & the Pussycats" have them beat since Josie & the Pussycats was produced in either the 1960's or 1970's.

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[–] everlone_2000 15 years ago

The difference is, MOST humans would rather have the world at peace than at war. Nobody wants genocides, environmental destruction, garbage pileups, religious hate, anger and ignorance. Most people try to fight that stuff. It looks like all humans are portrayed like that in the movie.

Ye-es... but doesn't the success of the story depend on the viewer agreeing with this? Presumably the movie expects its exclusively human audience to immediately react in the manner you describe - to immediately be appalled - otherwise the struggle against the humans wouldn't be a compelling plot point. The movie actually depends on the idea that people are compassionate, empathetic and unselfish.

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[–] Boygor 15 years ago

So do the aliens get wiped out? I would pay good money to see that :)

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[–] ccfmds 15 years ago

I think your question got answered, lol. A bunch of right wing freaks and basement dwellers are nothing new to imdb.com boards.

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[–] goodboyalex21 15 years ago

I would be considered "right wing" and I think this movie has a pretty cool concept, except for the fact that Terra is populated by "care bears". For once there's a little imagination in mainstream Hollywood. It's a step in the right direction at least. When this movie gets remade in a couple years, like everything else coming out of Hollywood lately, maybe they'll have the smarts to make both civilizations realistic.

That being said, all this bashing of the left by the right, and vise versa, only serves to expose the schism of the American people and exacerbate the problem. What are we coming to as a society when a simple sci-fi movie stirs up all this suspicious fear?

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[–] hanoumaki 15 years ago

The hyper-politicization of every facet of society and level of human interaction was an invention of the far left in the mid-19th century. Liberals, in this country and abroad, have been-and continue to be-the ones who turn everything into an an agitprop campaign with subtle and overt politicization designed to generate the approved public attitudes. People who deviated from the communists' party line were told that "their attitude was being noticed." If their free-thinking dissidence continued, it was met with re-education, mental institutionalization, and deportations to Siberia where their reactionary behavior couldn't infect the Soviets' plans for social engineering the "New Soviet Man." It was the communists who created an entire department of the soviet state which was devoted to making sure all information reaching the public was "POLITICALLY CORRECT." The next time you use that term, please remember that it was Joseph Stalin who invented it.

As such, then, it's not surprising that the public is naturally suspicious of the information reaching them. With news media outlets overwhelmingly biased toward the left, people have been sensitized to expect that the politicized vanguard of the "New World Order" isn't going to play fair. They understand that they're not going to be treated like discerning individuals but inert, lumpenproletarian masses whose attitudes must be 'molded' to the state and party's requirements. It was true in Stalinist times in the 20s-50s and it remains true today.

If we remember that it typically takes about a half-century before European political trends make it to the States, we should be expecting the Communist revolution any day now. Our disturbing obsession with political correctness, EnviroNazism, and economic redistributionism are indicators of the struggle to come. The two Communist Party daily newspapers in the Soviet Union used to be "Pravda" (truth) and "Izvestia" (news). The Russian people had a cynical joke that there was no Pravda in Izvestia and no Izvestia in Pravda. The American people are now expecting the same over here. Sad.

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[–] everlone_2000 15 years ago

The next time you use that term, please remember that it was Joseph Stalin who invented it.

As such, then, it's not surprising that the public is naturally suspicious of the information reaching them. With news media outlets overwhelmingly biased toward the left, people have been sensitized to expect that the politicized vanguard of the "New World Order" isn't going to play fair. They understand that they're not going to be treated like discerning individuals but inert, lumpenproletarian masses whose attitudes must be 'molded' to the state and party's requirements. It was true in Stalinist times in the 20s-50s and it remains true today.

None of this is correct is it. It wasn't Stalin who invented the phrase 'politically correct', it sprung from Marx, Lenin and Trotsky who were ideologically very different to Stalin. Moreover, the phrase is used in a completely different context in the West. You may as well argue that Liberal means Republican, because in nineteenth century British politics the Liberal party's attitude of laissez-faire most closely resembles the capitalist free market. It would make about as much sense as what you've written, which is to say it wouldn't make any sense at all.

In the west, the term entered the language in precisely the opposite way - it sprung up in feminist rhetoric that was a direct challenge to the state and the status quo, not as something the state put forward to control the masses. It came from the masses and forced the state to change/ introduce legislation. Or to put it another way: for everything you've written, the opposite can also be said to be true.

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[–] sawyer_davis 14 years ago

Honestly, this is the funniest post I've ever read on IMDB hanoumaki. I couldn't tell if this was completely sarcastic, or entirely serious. I'll assume the later for my post here.

But, please tell me you see the irony of even the first sentence. Basically this is you in a nut shell: It was the liberal bastards who started this whole schism, they are 100% to blame. They drove this country apart. But, it's us Republicans are the good guys!

You call out liberals on causing a rift, and only further encourage it. This is...what's the word...hypocritical.

"Liberals, in this country and abroad..."??? So, basically every country works on the exact same system a the US? A liberal in the US is tantamount to say, a liberal in Uganda? Good to know.

This post reads like a crazy person spouting their conspiracy theories. I mean, you start off seeming to talk about the States and just veer off right to Russia, why? Oh, nvm...I see now it's because we are all going to be communist after the great revolution in the US lol.

You completely lost it when you mentioned "New World Order". Sorry, but that's about the same as announcing you are a paranoid nutcase.

I actually believe, reading your post, that if you had any power, you'd bare a striking resemblance to General Hemmer in the film.

The only rational part of that whole post is the last word...but, ironically enough, only in terms of describing the crap that came before it.

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[–] adamsmo 14 years ago

Agreed, snaplits. that comment almost had me rolling.

It reeked of paranoia. The news media being overwhelmingly biased towards the left? REALLY? As an American, CNN certainly has its moments, but overall presents a fairly moderate point of view. I don't disagree with the general premise, but it's only a very slight bias, since MSNBC and FOX are obviously just channels promoting their respective ideologies.

And when someone mentions the NWO, it is literally just an admission that they're a gullible paranoid little gasbag.

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[–] sawyer_davis 14 years ago

I know..it's both funny and sad at the same time. He's obviously a child of the cold war, when Communism was made out to be the ultimate evil.

Obviously his government that he loves to much did a pretty good job into scaring him into believing exactly what they wanted him too. So much so, that he still thinks the (defunct) USSR is just lying in wait to turn us all into reds lol.

Of course, all media outlets have owners...and those owners have agendas. With those agendas, you inevitably get biases. I agree, I think most do try to stay neutral, and some do not. Like Murdoch and Fox News...which is nothing short of a huge joke. I can't believe they even get to call themselves a News program, when hey are clearly just a talking head for the right. Beck, O'Reilly, Coulter, Hanity, Malkin...it's really pathetic.

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[–] lacedemonians 10 years ago

Considering that communists murdered and looted close to a hundred million people and destroyed entire societies/cultures during the 20th Century - the bloodiest century ever - it seems reasonable to conclude that communism is evil.

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[–] Legendary_Badass 15 years ago

A movie that encourages us to root against our species. Great idea.

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[–] bstrenski-1 15 years ago

Well, liberals are insulting to people who think, and don't want the government or Al Gore telling them what to do.

No, humans aren't perfect, and I highly doubt that any life on any other planet is eitehr.

War is not a bad thing. It is a necessity, simply because we aren't perfect. It is also a good form of population control, which quite frankly we are over populated.

CO2 emissions aren't killing or changing the planet. A volcano puts more "greenhouse" gasses into the atmosphere in one day than we do in a month. Also, since there were no SUVs during the Climactic Optimum, how do you explain the fact that it was warmer then than it is now (900-mid 1200's)?

You want to talk human stupidity? Lets.

OK, so we have light bulbls that are made right here in the US for a fair and reasonable price. The materials are inexpensive, and cause very little damage to the environment when disposed of. Now, we have these new energy saving lights that cost 4 times as much, and ooops God forbid you break one. You have to follow a 15 step clean up process. Oh, and they can't be thrown out in normal garbage because of the high amounts of mercury in them. Plus they are made in China. How much fuel is used to get them here?

Here is another genius idea. In Pennsylvania where I grew up they are cutting down trees to put up windmills. I thought this was supposed to help the environment? So we put up an unreliable form of energy creation and cut down swathes of trees just so we can say we are "green".

The view point they are givnig kids is, don't use energy. More liberal, green bull sh!t.

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[–] helob 15 years ago

I like the point raised with this film.
In humanities survival it needs to conquest another planet which means extinction for that.
Yeah it is the absolute wrong way to go about it but in the same situation I know almost everyone on the planet would to the same. A desperate gleam of hope for humanities survival. I just like the idea that its down to necessity as opposed to being generally evil.

Lets collectively murder Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider, Will Smith and Chris Farley.

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[–] MitchumsGal 15 years ago

Not everyone here is right-wing, but the right-wingers are the most vocal here, and seem to start the most politically-based threads, hateful or not.

And yes I'm a liberal...its not a dirty word folks!

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[–] rosepitseleh 15 years ago

Agreed. It seems there's plenty of right wingnuts who can't get any attention on Red State or Hannity's treason-mongering fan board who resort to coming here to spew their vemon.

The most absurd thing is that these people 1) accuse "liberals" of pushing the same propaganda over and over, YET 2) *they* all sound like they are ranting from the same script. They keep rehashing the same paranoia, same fallacies, same misinformation, same hysteria and same insults. This is one, big way that numbers and volume aren't working in their favor. But they are so self-absorbed with being THE ONE GLORIOUS DEFENDER OF TRUTH who valiantly pounds down those evil liberals that they are each oblivious to the fact that each one of them is saying the same thing, with the same degree of froth and spittle, on the same shrill frequency. It's tedious to see their carbon-copy posts all over the place, but at the same time, it's a little amusing to see how they undercut their own (and each other's) potency and creditably this way.

No wonder a dwindling 20% of Americans own up to being Republicans these days. It seems all ring wingers can do effectively these days is embarrass each other and repel everyone else. Fine by me. The rabid right wingers can keep on self-destructing in their own delusional bubble while the rest of us get on dealing with the real world.

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[–] hanoumaki 14 years ago

Sorry to disagree. Liberal is a dirty word. In this century, liberal means MORE GOVERNMENT. History has shown us that more government has always been bad. It's inefficient, self-aggrandizing, controlling, antithetical to individual civil liberties, and increasingly arrogant and unresponsive to the electorate. I don't care if you wish to live like a client of the state (even a happy-face nanny state), but I prefer not to have my life circumscribed, controlled, and curtailed by what the government thinks is in 'my best interests.'

I'm saddened to see that some of the respondents on this thread interpreted my posts to be sarcastic in nature, or insinuate that I'm just crazy for my opinions, but that's a typical response from leftists: 'if you disagree with me then you must be, not just wrong, but crazy.' In the Soviet Union, people who disagreed with the Communist Party were not just dissidents, they were mentally ill! They were committed to institutions because the government's attitude was that the Soviet Union was the apex of human achievement; so, anyone who criticizes or rejects the 'progress' that it stands for must, by definition, be crazy. Read the Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn for a political system run amok.

Many of you are too young to remember the Soviet Union, but I'm telling you all that this country is NOT the same one that I grew up in. I spent my life fighting against communism, only to see much of its mentality and agenda being adopted here in the US. Laugh if you're too silly to take me seriously. But when the border fence is not for keeping the Mexicans OUT, but Americans IN, don't say I didn't warn you. Don't whine that the ACLU isn't protecting your civil liberties when the sentry posts and gun turrets are all facing US soil.

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[–] sawyer_davis 14 years ago

@hanoumaki

"Liberal is a dirty word"...yeah according to a right-winger like yourself hanoumaki. Give me a break. You do understand that simply because you say something does not make it true, right?

I mean, look: Republican is a dirty word. See, according to you, since I said it, so it must be true.

I'm sorry, you are are obviously as far right as you can get. And that's when you get into paranoid nutcase territory. A place I'm sure you happily occupy with your buddies Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. I'm sure you eat what those two a**holes say for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And I'm sure you just sit back and think you know so much more than everyone else. You're so dialed in to all the treachery going on around you, and if only everyone else could just see it like you do. Am I close?

Also, the slippery slope fallacies you create are hilarious.

You: "Liberal is bad, Liberal means more government. More government means bad things for the people. Liberals are in charge. This obviously means we will all be communist in a year. Big Brother will be real." Honestly, this is how you sound.

"I'm saddened to see that some of the respondents...insinuate that I'm just crazy for my opinions..."
I'm not insinuating, I'm flat out saying you're a conspiracy nutcase. I'm not saying that because I disagree with you, I'm saying this because you spout sentences like:

"we should be expecting the Communist revolution any day now."

and

"..the border fence is not for keeping the Mexicans OUT, but Americans IN"

That's paranoid crazy bullsh**. Oddly enough, in the States, you have this little thing called free speech which allows you to say crazy stuff like that as much as you want. No matter how ridiculous it is. That being said, when you insinuate that the States is anything like Communist Russia, it is both dishonest and disingenuous.

"Laugh if you're too silly to take me seriously."
Yet you whine earlier that what I say is a "typical response from leftists: 'if you disagree with me then you must be, not just wrong, but crazy.'"
But if I disagree with you, or don't take what you say seriously, I'm just silly.

Trust me, it's not about being silly, it's about being able to think rationally, and without some archaic agenda created by an irrational fear of Communism.

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[–] niksp72 14 years ago

I wonder whether SnApLiTs et al hated "Avatar" for the same reasons. Can you honestly tell me that you weren't rooting for the aliens in Avatar?

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[–] sawyer_davis 14 years ago

I didn't hate Avatar. I liked the movie. I'm pretty sure the intent was to have you root for the aliens, like in District 9.
I certainly didn't want to see them all killed so some corporation could get richer. It's like drilling for oil in the Arctic, it's not worth it if it's at the expense of life.

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[–] adamsmo 14 years ago

That is so amusing. What happened with the size of the government with the "last" conservative government? Oh, right! Biggest government in history.

It's ridiculous to compare liberals to big governments - and Soviets (!) when it's the "conservatives" passing the PATRIOT Act, pushing for a national driver's license, etc. American conservatives have NO comprehension of civil liberties. When you're a Joe McCarthy fanboy, as you so clearly are, how do you have ANY right to criticize others for not promoting civil liberties? You people support the antithesis of liberties! Government invervention morally, demonizing people who disagree who are different, etc. You and your ilk are politics' lowest common denominator.

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[–] chronarita 15 years ago

It might seem like everyone on IMDB is "right wing" but that is only because they are obsessed with spreading their hate, bigotry and self-righteousness. They can't NOT pass up any opportunity to blame anything and everything on "liberals".

As someone in the center, I would say that hate occurs on either side (As a counterexample to your claim, you seem to caricature conservatives with dislike. ;))

This is because this is IMDb: where film haters speak louder than film lovers.

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