OK so as for the timeline for the GITS movies/series it goes in this order
1 Ghost in the Shell
2 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
3 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig
4 Ghost in the Shell: Innocence
5 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Solid State Society
also, this is the last movie they do but plan on continuing the SAC series?
let me know if i got my facts wrong.
I like the way you put Inosensu after 2nd Gig. I never thought of that before. It makes perfect sense. The Major is returning after leaving Section 9 -- outstanding!
Plus nobody likes my feeling that SSS is the perfect device to combine the two original movies and the TV plot line. The Major has returned from her internet sabbatical to rejoin Section 9.
Also, I believe the "bad guy" in SSS is some portion of Kuze that managed to upload to the internet when the CIA killed him at the end of 2nd Gig.
Production I.G says this is NOT the end of Stand Alone Complex, so I guess the fact that it was the #3 anime in the US and the #8 worldwide last year is probably a good indicator of future sales and more SAC for us fans!
Anyway, thanks for loving SAC. We appreciate all fans.
Are you referring to story? Because I always thought the SAC's came before both movies, sorta like prequels.
shareAll variants of SAC, (Gig 1, Gig 2 and SSS) do not have anything to do with the movies 'Ghost in the Shell' and 'Innocence'. They are a separate entity.
shareYes, the original Ghost in the the Shell movie and Innocence are set in a completely differnt universe from Stand Alone Complex, 2nd Gig, and Solid State Society. Production I.G. has stated this several thousand times. :P
shareBut some of us Gaijin have that unshakable need for series set with the same characters to have continuity. A lot of Americans just don't get/ aren't willing to accept the way that anime/ manga/ games can have several concurrent story lines with the same characters, that have nothing to do with each other in Japan. We get it reinfoced over and over that Canon is the most important thing, especially in Sci-Fi. I love ghost in the shell, but the fact that SAC and the movies aren't the same line bugs me.
shareOk I only just watched the first movie (thought it was great) so i'm going to pretend i didn't read the "movies has nothing to do with series" part and just thank original poster for setting out the correct order i should watch everthing in.
shareRegardless, they are seperate. Part of the First Gig is concurrent with part of GITS (the movie).
There are several Anime series like the, the Tenchi's (there are at least three seperate Tenchi series that have nothing to do with each other, other than they have the same main characters), the Project Ako's (2 of those that I know of), there are probably others, but there is a lot of Anime and I have not seen it all.
A lot of Americans just don't get/ aren't willing to accept the way that anime/ manga/ games can have several concurrent story lines with the same characters, that have nothing to do with each other in Japan.
"A lot of" is not all inclusive. Only you know if it includes you and you don;t have to tell us, most of us (again not all inclusive) don't care. ;)
shareSSS was produced to gauge the interest in another series. I think we are bound to see a third series at some point.
shareSSS was better than 2nd Gig, unfortunately I'm not sure where they can take it from here. Maybe mini-arcs instead of the all-encompassing puppet show, with nothing but false leads until it nears the end. It'd be nice to see them against a quasi-equal power rather than just fighting other internal organizations, or smashing minor-leaguers with a few blinks of the eyes.
Anyway the retro "Poker Face" was a nice change of pace in 2nd Gig. But I thought the Individual 11 was rather blah-zay. I lost interest about three quarters through that series. SSS was nice.
Now don't get me wrong, the product overall is good. The artwork alone is worth tuning in for. They've grown some on their technique. I like the way anime (all anime not just this show) melds hand-drawn and 3D art, like the VTOL and the vehicles, etc.
I just hope the stories can power it enough for it to stay strong for at least another season.
i think the both movies are a standalone. the first movie is a short version of the manga.
sac 1 +2 were before ghost inthe shell rember the ending of sac 2nd gig the last scene was like the the manga so then seems ti thart ghost in the shell 1, but then it goes different with the first movie and the second manga the last seems sss.
GIS 1st TV: Togusa hv no daugher, Tachikoma is 'die' in the end
GIS 2nd TV: the shooter hand is partly artifical, Tachikoma rebuilt and die
1st movie:Major disappear
2st movie (innocence): daughter is around 3, Major is online~~
solid state: Togusa's elder daughter is around 6, there is a little brother/sister, shooter hand is artifical to a larger extend( lines between shooter and Batou) and there're are more members in section 9. President is the same female in TV season 2. Major is back! Tachikoma 'ghost' is working online for Major
so, it looks like :
GIS 1st TV
GIS 2nd TV
OVA 1
OVA 2 innocence
OVA 3 SSS
correct me if anything wrong~
Wait, wait. According to this timeline, the Major merges with the Puppet Master and disappears into the net (with, we can assume, Section 6 still holding a strong desire to wipe out the Puppet Master), and then reappears at Section 9 (without any mention of Section 6) for the events of SAC? The whole 2nd GiG to Innocence thing works out moderately well, but there's still the issue of Motoko's merge. IMO, the whole thing makes perfect sense if you just stick the two movies after the whole SAC storyline.
shareOne thing to think about is the scene in GITS the first movie, when they are in the van tracking down the Puppetmaster for the first time. Togusa asks the Major why they chose him to join Section 9, etc. They he talks (both in the subbed and dubbed versions) implies that his joining was rather recent - then again, that may be because Oshii wanted a little exposition of Togusa as a "new" character. So it seems that GITS 1 would come before all the others.
But, as it's been pointed out, the series is a different timeline than the films.
'OK so as for the timeline for the GITS movies/series it goes in this order
1 Ghost in the Shell
2 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
3 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig
4 Ghost in the Shell: Innocence
5 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Solid State Society
also, this is the last movie they do but plan on continuing the SAC series?
let me know if i got my facts wrong.'
That was just the order they were made in, i thought the timeline was that Solid State Society came after 2nd gig, then Innocence, as Kusanagi leaves in Solid State Society, and has been away for years when Innocence begins. I'm not really sure about it though.
I don't understand what the debate is here. It has been stating many times on this board and by the creators that the movie-verse and the Stand Alone Complex-verse do not have co-mingle with each other, but are separate entities. This is made evident by the fact that both the movies and the TV series (including Solid State Society) have separate directors.
The timeline, if you must have one, should look like this.
Verse A
1.) Ghost in the Shell
2.) Ghost in the Shell: Innocence
Verse B
1.) GITS:SAC
2.) GITS:SAC 2nd Gig
3.) GITS:SSS
Given that the dates run together between the two verses, I really don't see how it is possible to combine both universes. Additionally, from what I remembered, the Major merged with the puppetmaster, so again, I don't see how you could place Innoncence after 2nd gig and before SSS.