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THERE IS NOT SUCH ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

posted 14 years ago by cesetevi
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armenian genocide claim is very controversial and historical discussion which is made generally public politically by "armenian diaspora".There are thousands of armenians who live in Turkey and still migrating from Armenia to live and work in Turkey.Armeanians in Turkey and the migrated armenians are very disturbed about this discussion of genocide claim.Armenians want this claim be discussed between two countries historians in a committee that was also signed with protocols last year between two countries.

Armenians which call themselves armenian diaspora do everyhing to falsify historical facts,make propaganda and do not want it handled by historians but want to have it concluded with local political games or propaganda movies.

Those who claims this fake "genocide thing" damages not only Armenians living in Armenia but also Armenians in Turkey.And again the same those do not want to see Armenia and Turkey have any means of relations and sit around a table and talk issues but want them have hostile relations.

You cannot change history by political games and making some movies.Nobody buys it and won't.If everyone made a movie to claim a genocide against a nation,the whole world would not need history and historians.Armenian diaspora can not wash their laundry in the parliaments.It simply does not work.

Whoever checks this movies' forums will see this title in capslock and read these lines.

[–] cinesimonj 14 years ago

"Nobody buys it" - well, those who choose to close their eyes and pretend like nothing happened buys it. And you are fewer and fewer. As usual, you lot are simply waiting those with memories to die off.
If you refuse to learn from your mistakes, and turn the other way, then it will simply happen again. Especially when you chose to blame the victims and accuse them of seeking agitation. Do you also believe that about victims of the nazi holocaust? That their only goal =is to agitate, not have their grievances addressed?

When this happens again because we refuse to deal with it in an honest way(just like right wing Americans are dong now), then you only have yourself to blame if it happens again, but this time around you and/or your loved ones are the victims.

The only hostile people are those who are choosing to simply believe what you're told without question. Have you even bothered to look at the claims of the Armenians?

Your claims against them reek oif bigotry and ignorance.

And in your bizarre and self important last line: they will see this also.

[–] cesetevi 14 years ago

Those who sinks their head in the sand are the ones who espace to discuss historical facts with the historians,but instead they prefer to falsify facts.

Yes we are fewer :) with 70 millions in Turkiye and other millions in all across in Europe,Asia and Nothern Africa.First look in the mirror you ll see your fewer thing.

Do you know anything about "Azerbaijan genocide",Hocali massacres? Do you know how many Azerbaijan people armenians killed in 1990s? First clean your trash and face it first.

Armenians try to handle this with statues memorials books movies political games in the parliaments.Those have to face with what they have been doing to Armenia itself.

Historical facts are not shaped or accepted with memories but the facts.Do not worry Armenia and armenia diaspora will have to face this genocide claim and their history.Armenia can not escape and hide its historical archives for ever.One day everything will reveal in the daylight and we will see what armeanian haters(I am not counting all Armenians,there are still rational armenians) will do with these hostile statues books movies raised fingers etc

Ottomans/Turks always supported Jewish people in the history.If you need any proof check Simon Peres's speech in Turkish Parliament.

armenian diaspora is the biggest hostile,hatred people against not only Turkiye but also Armenia.And they do not want Armenia and Turkiye to have good relations.

Anyway I gave my message in big caps :) Whoever enters this forum will see this.No further messages from me for this thread :)

[–] artnaz 14 years ago

Well if you are with more than 70 millions, how come that...

...Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Cyprus, France, Greece, Germany, Italy, Iran, Lithuania, Lebanon, Netherlands, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine United Kingdom, Uruguay, Vatican City, Venezuala, 44 States of America; New York Times, Associated Press, The Times, Los Angeles Times, Spiegel, The Independer, Izvestia, Russia Today; European Parliament, Council of Europe, World Council of Churches, Human Rights Association (Turkey), European Alliance of YMCAs, Permanent Peoples' Tribunal, Mercosur; and others...

...have recognized the genocide, and have chosen to help the less than 3 million Armenians with a - what you call - "lie"?

And please don't be funny this time by saying "politics don't mean a thing", because obviously at least a few of the above mentions countries and organizations would help the 70+ million Turks who falsely are accused of the killing of 1.5 million Armenians instead of helping the 3- million Armenians. But fact is that Turkey is the only one that denies it. Also, politicians can't make such a huge accusation to a big country without facts. And if you say that the facts are that there was no genocide, how come no one (except Turkey of course) uses these facts?

[–] murad23 14 years ago

It is only controversial in Turkey because you go to jail if you use the term.

Anyone here can google Orhan Pamuk arrest and see teh world acknowledged best writer in Turkey and a pro Turkish amn was ARRESTED for mentioning it. Since he used the term Armenian Massacre instead of Genocide, and because he is famous he was let go, but if he used the term "Genocide" he would have gone to jail

Imagine how our own hisotry teachers feel threatened by the certainly of losing their jobs and the strong possibility of arrest if discussing this seriously.

There was a genocide. We all know it. It is only COWARDS in Turkey who seek to wrap themselves in the flag and in fact are defecating on the flag of Turkey who deny it. Once our own full records are unsealed (and the relevant ones are still sealed after all these years) there will be an honest admission of the Genocide.

In the meantime we will have your argument -- which is IDENTICAL to the arguments of those denying the Holocaust agaisnt the Jews! Teh cowards denying it are the ones besmirching the name of Turkey and making us look like cowards.

[–] cesetevi 14 years ago

No no there wasn't There never had been :) Jew's history has nothing to do with Armenians you little pitty desperate man.

Every nation and states has to protect the honour of the nation.It is so simple.It is our "CANAKKALE".Whoever dares to cross that line will pay the bill.In the history they paid,today Armenia pays.

If Armenia didn't chase this stupid genocide claim,Armenia would have been more developed country and resolved issues with Turkiye. It is the Armenin diaspora and their policy with hatred against Turks/Turkey.

Armenian Diaspora and supporters of this claim should first clean their fascist,ultra-fundemantalist christian and nationalist mind.If Armenia is thrown away to its condition today it is not Turkiye it is those ultra fascist armenians leaving outside Armenia.

Armenians in Armeania are not the beggars of armenian diaspora.If armenian diaspora is so sincere about this genocide claim,they should get themselves in Armenia.

You are fascist man,you are out of your mind.If you trust your ass get yourself into Armenia let's see what ll happen to you as soon as you Turkish identity gets known.

[–] artnaz 14 years ago

I'm not sure on what I should reply, because there's only big words and calling names, and no arguments.

Anyway, I'm sorry for you that you call a country "ultra-fundemantalist christians and nationalists" on whom a genocide is committed, where 1.5 innocent people were killed, that this genocide haven't been recognized by the perpetrator for 95 years, and that they want recognition for this and life in peace. Even if they would be wrong (which they obviously aren't), it's very understanding that they would pursue this if they do believe so.

About the WWII Holocaust: Hitler has admitted that he stole the principle of the concentration camps from the Turks. Also, he said "Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?" - "Who speaks nowadays about the Armenian Genocide?" So he was saying that he could commit a genocide unpunished, like the Turks did.

[–] cesetevi 14 years ago

You are ultra-fundemantalist christian and natioanlist :) Take it on yourself.

Stop offending my country.YOU are the perpetrator and the suspect. You do not have any respect for yourself even for your country.

Armeania killed thousands of people in Hocali Azerbaijan.

How many Azerbaijans did Armeania slaugter in Hocali?

Of course Turkiye had opened its doors to Jews escaping Hitler's Germany in WW2 even Einstein on that time .

Cut the crap,stop itching your wound around :)

[–] artnaz 14 years ago

It's so funny that I try to give facts and arguments, and you reply everywhere by repeating yourself: You call me names, act like I'm an idiot and change the subject. I hope you can talk normally to people if it's not about the genocide.

And I'm not getting "Of course Turkiye had opened its doors to Jews escaping Hitler's Germany in WW2 even Einstein on that time" at all. It's random, it doesn't have anything to do with what we said about WWII. Of course we're used to the fact that you ignore facts and try to distract to other things, but this one doesn't even help you with your denial!

[–] cesetevi 14 years ago

Be yourself stop leaning on Jew's Holocaust ok ? Why are you leaning on Jew's Holocaust? It is completely different and how on earth are you making this connection? you are crazy :)

If you believe something defend it to the end but do no mess up with others,Jew's Holocaust.

Shame on you.You do not have limits ,you are far facist that you came to point to discuss Jew's Holocaust credibility :)

I can't take this longer.I think you should lean on Ahmedinejad.I couln't believe my ears what I read here.You are Holocaust deniers.God's sake.

I am wasting my time with this rubbish.

[–] artnaz 14 years ago

Haha, great post again!

Again, you are calling me names.

And I am the one who is says "things where there is no connection", that's the most funny one because obviously that's surely is 100% summary of your posts.

Anyway, there is a connection with the Holocaust. Just read the posts. That you shout "there is no connection, you are crazy, shame on you, you don't have limits, you're a fascist, etc." doesn't make it so.

And "Holocaust deniers"? Same thing, if you say so, doesn't make it true. Good thing people can read what everybody's is saying and draw their conclusions. I think you are not aware of that, otherwise you wouldn't be posting this.

The one thing you're right about is that you are wasting your time. I don't know what your intentions are with your ignorant posts, but if it's making people believe there was no genocide you are not good at it. But maybe you are more respected among your friends if you say something against the genocide, maybe that ignorant ungrounded Turkish pride is "cool" among your group. Again, thank God there are a lot of normal Turks who can admit and talk about the Genocide.

[–] murad23 14 years ago

Our Cannakale? WTF. The biggest group of successful Ottoman solders at Cannakale (Gallipoli) was Armenian!!!!

Practically zero Turkish troops were there. The bulk of Turkish troops were in Syria and Jordan fighting English forces and in the East of Anatolia killing women and children!!

And stop blaming the Armenians. Turks are ARRESTED for discussing it

Anyone can google Oran Pamuk, our most celebrated author. HE WAS Arrested for even saying "Armenia Massacres". If he had said "genocide" or were less famous he would have gone to JIAL as HUNDREDS of teachers and Journalists have in Turkey for discussing anything "TABOO"

The specific law is "insulting the Turkish people."

can you imagine where US historians were under thread of 20 year jail terms for "insulting US history" discussing anything about the US rationally?