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Is that how they actually see Christianity?


How the Left-wingers who write practically everything on TV and in the movies see it, I mean?

Do they even know the difference between Protestants and Catholics? Or between Christians and Jews? Do they really think the only difference is circumcision? Plenty of Christians are circumcised. That doesn't make them Jewish.

Do they honestly believe Pat Robertson is a fairly represenative sample of all Christian believers?

Do they honestly think more than a handful of people actually believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old or that "science is a lie"?

Do they seriously think most Christians would readily worship a "robot god" (and a broken one, at that)if they thought that was all God or Jesus was?

Well, I'm still waiting for 'em to lampoon and savage Islam the way they routinely have Christianity for a long time, and have lately started to do Judaism (long off-limits) too. Gee, I wonder what's holding them back from ridiculing Islam and Moslems? Well, there were all those riots over a cartoon, and something about that Van Gough dude ...

Christians (and Jews as well, it seems, lately) are so much safer as targets. They don't generally riot and loot and set stuff on fire and issue fatwahs, etc., when they're defamed.

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"religion is the biggest joke in the world that you arnt suppose to joke about"

Well, the joke is getting kind of old.

Ozy

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hey man, this joke renews itself constantly cause religion always is up to some new happenings

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No, it's the Jews! Boo hoo! The poor Jews!

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Yes, like in the United States, which has the world's largest population of Jews! Boo hoo! The poor Jews! Look at how they are discriminated against!

And in Israel, which receives a multi-billion dollar handout from the US every year because of the influence of the Jewish lobby in Washington, and is allowed to do whatever it wants and steal whatever land it desires because the US has its back! So discriminated against! Boo hoo! Poor poor Israel!

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Even if there was no jewish lobby the US would still be backing Israel, we've had no problem sponsering the nefarious doings of other strategic allies like Turkey, Guatemala, El Salvador, Indonesia, etc.

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I'm fed up with all you people on these message boards arguing and spewing evil words around when it comes to religion. We should all strive towards civility and respect in everything we say! Now that said, Israel rocks the world! You mess with that country, you get it handed to you. America funds various countries 'cause we have this problem of wanting to help everyone in the world whether that is popular or plausible. There are so many things wrong with America, but I'm still proud to be an American. I'm a Christian and I say, bring on the persecution! Jesus said that blessed are those who endure persecution because of Him (a little paraphrase :) I have read articles about Christians who are being persecuted in China who say that they pray for Christians in America to be persecuted as they are so they may enjoy true faith, not a luxurious faith. I don't think it's important how other people view us Christians because it's the Holy Spirit who works on and saves people, we just need to do what is right whether anybody sees that or not. On the other hand, don't ever make light the persecution of the Jews or anybody else. That shows ignorance, insensitivity and anger. I think some Christian jokes are funny on tv and if I think it crosses the line, I change the channel. That doesn't stop the problem, but blasting people for making fun of my faith doesn't stop it either.
And I was just telling my sister yesterday that I was enjoying the imdb message boards because it was filled with people who enjoy discussing movies and tv, not just a bunch of angry flamers.

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yo jermy

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Just a bunch of flamers, huh? Would that be HATRED of Homosexuals I'm hearing?

This is why you are mocked, hated, and "persecuted". Idiot.

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you don't know what flamers means. ha.

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If you have faith, it shouldn't shake you so much that some New York hipsters have a few laughs at your expense. After all, they're the ones burning in hell for all of eternity. This nonsense about "liberal media" is total garbage as always. Most of the writers, like the ones behind 7th Heaven, Touched by an Angel and the Tonight Show? Fox News and Dennis Miller? Not that you can catch those shows with The All Pagan Sodomy Hour being in syndication and all. Or some animation show on basic cable. That's totally representative of all of the writers in the media. In fact, the reason that people like Jon Benjamin and David Cross can keep getting shows made is that they've built an audience of people over time who enjoy being communicated to directly without any considerations of who might be offended. Y'know, cult following. Occult following. Har.
Still , some people love holding on to illusions. It's nice to feel like your country's benevolent. Israel is run by bloodthirsty warmongers and America's continued support of their every whim is tearing the world apart. There are parts of America where Jews aren't too welcome, and there are parts where they're doing pretty damn well. There are parts of the world where they're still quite hated and oppressed. American Christians are so right that they can't handle it if Wal Mart greeters don't tell them, "We are believers in the one true faith. Merry Jesus' Birthday. Ragheads and all the other heathens aren't welcome here. Backyard Wrestling DVDs on aisle 7." Or maybe I'm reading in to that War on Christmas a little too much. I heard about it in the liberal media.
Everyone's an oppressed minority.
We've all lost our minds.

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When I said flamer, I didn't mean homosexuals. If you people want to read into what I say go ahead. I sense anger and resentment.

Whalleywhat (sweet name) do you live in Israel? If you do, then I would like to know more of what you can tell me about this country. If you don't, then don't call them out as being bloodthirsty warmongers. There are good people in Israel, and there are good people in Palestine. The Palestinian christians are very troubled especially because the rest of the christians in the world are defending Israel. I don't know everything that is going on, but I know that it's important that we don't muddle everything with unsupported statements.

Not all Christians want everyone to acknowledge that it's-Jesus's-birthday-or-die, most of them just want to point out the pc ridiculousness in restricting the use of "Merry Christmas," it is freaking Christmas, not happyday for crying out loud! If you want to say "happy-happyday!" Then go right ahead! Nobody is offended, it's just stupid if you are offended by "Christmas".

Christians don't hate "ragheads", just alot of Americans. The common denominator is people of the country that got attacked by muslims.

Europe supposedly HATES "ragheads" even more than Americans. I don't know what the common denominator is there.

Merry Christmas! Happy Chanuka (spelling?) and Happy-happy Day! (and then there's Festivus for the rest of us!)

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"Not all Christians want everyone to acknowledge that it's-Jesus's-birthday-or-die, most of them just want to point out the pc ridiculousness in restricting the use of "Merry Christmas," it is freaking Christmas, not happyday for crying out loud! If you want to say "happy-happyday!" Then go right ahead! Nobody is offended, it's just stupid if you are offended by "Christmas"."

They DO care though, I have a friend who worked in the product return section of Walmart, he said "Seasons Greetings" to a couple and within a week the store had been petitioned by 3 or 4 major Christian organizations claiming they were being prejudiced. I guess it's a good thing he didn't mention anything about the whole "christians hijacking 'Christmas' from various pagan and druidic ceremonies and customs"...probably would have gotten shot...the season is for all, you wanna say "god bless you and a merry Christmas", awesome...no problem...you want to say "merry meet and blessed be" then that's cool too, hell...if you wanna say "hail satan, have a good season" go right the hell ahead...it's all religion and Christianity has no claim on this season (nor any other religion).

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"I'm a Christian and I say, bring on the persecution!"


Persecution? You consider some jokes on a mildly popular (although IMO, underappreciated) Comedy Central cartoon show, and some critics on a message board to be persecution?! Doesn't "persecution" hold a little more weight than this?

I agree with whalleywhat, we've all lost our minds.

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"I'm fed up with all you people on these message boards arguing and spewing evil words around when it comes to religion. We should all strive towards civility and respect in everything we say!"

I do try to be civil, but if I don't respect something I don't see why I should hide it. That doesn't mean I agree with people who attack religions view's, I'm an atheist but I've all the respect in the world for most religions I've been exposed to...I've found a lot of value in reading The Bible, the Quran, The Dhammapada and a number of other religious religious texts I've real (though it's more symbolic than anything to me). But I can't get myself to act respectful to some things, stupidity for example, why should we respect stupidity? Or hide behind a facade of respect for it. If someone doesn't respect or like something they should have every right to speak out about it. *shrug*

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Actually...what you just said proves the persecution of Jews in the USA. Israel gets money because it is the US's proxy in the middle east. We use Israel to fight wars for us that would be much more costly in American lives.

Also, America feels a bit guilty for being complacent during the holocaust and turning away boat load of 1000 of children knowing full well that the Nazi's would kill them.

but that is more of an excuse. Israel is useful to the US.

said the shotgun to the head
-Saul Williams

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Also, I am not what anyone would call religious. But I was born Jewish and I was recently almost murderer by a gang of skin heads because of this.

So I can tell you first hand you are a freaking idiot.

said the shotgun to the head
-Saul Williams

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Larry 115 proves that irrelevant never forgets.

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No, but Pat Robertson does seem to think that Richard Simmons is a fair representative for all gays.

Also, if you really think the left wing controls the media...youre an idiot. this is an extremely conservative nation. the people considered "liberals" are more closer to moderates. where are the openly atheist senators? where are the ACTUAL radicals? there aren't any.

"Do they honestly think more than a handful of people actually believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old or that "science is a lie"?"

turns out that one is fairly accurate given gallup polls that found that 80% of americans believe in angels. significantly more than bought into evolution.

I dont even know what the rest of your rant was about.

said the shotgun to the head
-Saul Williams

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Yeah, it's just getting a little old. It's not the least bit original, and just seems like lazy writing.

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David Cross IS a Jew, moron, so I think he may know the difference. Christianity is an outdated crutch for the weak minded masses, plain and simple. If you wish to teat it more like a credo than an actually honest fact, there is no problem. It's no different than Zeus or other "Gods" that have died. It's slowly running its course.

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That whole post sounded like a bad monologue from a self-insistent politically-driven movie. The weak minded masses? check. Outdated crutch? Check. "Open-mindedness"? Check. You either believe in the spiritual, the scientific, or nothing. If you believe in nothing, then why try to take others with you into the void? If you believe in science, fine, but don't forget that science isn't an exact science. Virtually everything that has been proven by science was once held by science to be impossible. Science is not about proving things are correct, it is about proving that things are incorrect. The circle is inevitably completed and restarted when something proven true by default of every other possibility being proven untrue is proven untrue. If you believe in the spiritual, great! But that's a whole other thing in itself. The spiritual can mean just about anything and even believers in the same religion disagree unlike with science. I don't trust science because of its inconsistencies (even Darwyn didn't believe the theory of evolution is fact) but I do believe science is good and is a constant force for good.

If Christianity is an outdated crutch for the weak minded masses, then science and/or despair is the contemporary crutch for the weak minded masses. If the masses are weak minded, then leave them to their crutch, they need it. But why does a crutch have to be bad? I thought a crutch was good, there for you when you are ill and desperately in need of something to help you along, leading to your recovery.

I think we are all weak minded in some way, and those who think they aren't are the most ignorant. Jesus ate with Matthew the tax collector not because he was a wise or prestigious man, but because he was spiritually sick and in need of healing. He acknowledged his weak mind, spirit, and moral resolve and the "crutch" of Christianity changed his life. This may mean nothing to a lot of people, but I think its important that such weighty topics are not addressed with such blanket statements. Why believe in someone else's credo if you don't believe their doctrine? You might as well make up your own credo and forget the baggage of the religion. You don't have to believe that someone is right to respect their right to believe their "honest fact" is just that. I don't like relativism, I'm Christian, plain and simple, but I don't think that disrespect of others or cliche/unsupported statements about their personal faith is appropriate anywhere.

Well, there's my monologue!

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"I don't trust science because of its inconsistencies (even Darwyn didn't believe the theory of evolution is fact) but I do believe science is good and is a constant force for good."

Right, because science actually corrects itself instead of doggedly holding onto fanatically stupid ideas for thousands of years as religion does you can't "trust" it. Whatever. If you didn't trust science you wouldn't be typing on your computer to make posts.

"If Christianity is an outdated crutch for the weak minded masses, then science and/or despair is the contemporary crutch for the weak minded masses."

That makes zero sense. "Racism is an outdated crutch used by the fearful and stupid, so racial tolerance is a comtemporary crutch for the weak minded and stupid."

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"I don't trust science because of its inconsistencies (even Darwyn didn't believe the theory of evolution is fact) but I do believe science is good and is a constant force for good."

Well first off it is DARWIN with an 'I' and I must say I dont trust your "Facts" because of their inconsistencies with reality. Science changes and evolves as we discover more about the universe. Religion stays the same, NO MATTER WHAT we discover about the universe. Natural Selection itself dictates what must eventually occur here.

(no darwin didnt say what you are claiming he did either, this is one of the really annoying completely false and made up "facts" creationists buy into.)

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Religion?.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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"Christianity might be a good thing if anyone ever tried it."
-George Bernard Shaw.

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"Well first off it is DARWIN with an 'I' and I must say I dont trust your "Facts" because of their inconsistencies with reality. Science changes and evolves as we discover more about the universe. Religion stays the same, NO MATTER WHAT we discover about the universe. Natural Selection itself dictates what must eventually occur here."

If religion didn't change then where did all the Protestants spring up from? And why are there constantly new branches breaking off from the original tenets on a yearly basis? If religion didn't change, it'd have died out thousands of years ago.

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"That whole post sounded like a bad monologue from a self-insistent politically-driven movie. The weak minded masses? check. Outdated crutch? Check. "Open-mindedness"? Check. You either believe in the spiritual, the scientific, or nothing."

I wouldn't say that...I'm an atheist (that DOESN'T mean I believe in nothing)...When a problem is based on this world and how it works (how gravity functions, how geology works, chemistry, neuroscience) then I use science. When I'm faced with an issue that deals with metaphysics, philosophy, art, and so forth then I use religion (or on my case philosophy which is a similar place simply renamed Theology). There are things in this world religion is woefully inadequate at dealing with or solving. There are things it's spectacular at, and the same goes for science. Neither is "better" they deal with totally distinct concepts unless you're studying the philosophy of science :P

"If you believe in nothing, then why try to take others with you into the void? If you believe in science, fine, but don't forget that science isn't an exact science."

Some aren't...you're mixing up "hard" science with "soft" science...hard science is pretty absolute (though we may take time accurately measuring and organizing that absolute), this includes things like Physics, biology, geology, mathematics (which is about as "hard science" as it comes, 1+1 ALWAYS equals 2) and so on. Soft science isn't, not because it's not a science, but has a non-standard base by which to measure and organize its information. Examples such as Psychology, Sociology, Gender Studies, Evolutionary Psychology and so forth.

"Science is not about proving things are correct, it is about proving that things are incorrect."

Science is neither...science is, in its simplest form a means for we as a species to postulate, test and organize the information we have about the universe around us...this is why we still hear the "theory of evolution" card all the time when people simply don't realize there IS no scientific debate about it, the mountains of evidence (and the cases of micro and macro evolution we've observed firsthand, I've got a list if your interested) show us evolution is very real, HOW it occurs and/or WHY it occurs is still theoretical...it's the same reason we use "the theory of gravity" when discussing gravity rather than "the scientific fact of gravity"...

"If you believe in the spiritual, great! But that's a whole other thing in itself. The spiritual can mean just about anything and even believers in the same religion disagree unlike with science. I don't trust science because of its inconsistencies (even Darwyn didn't believe the theory of evolution is fact) but I do believe science is good and is a constant force for good."

Where'd you get the idea Darwin didn't believe in evolution? I've heard varous reports (some saying he "recanted on his deathbed", which his loved ones who were there with him said was untrue)...everything I've read suggest Darwin was an avid Evolutionist...and regardless, the initial theory he postulated in his book is ancient in the extreme for science. It was a great springboard for scientists to use, but there are all sorts of loose ends in it...his issues with the development of the eye for example...which have been solved through modern research on the subject...he was the FATHER of evolutionary theory, not the perfector of it.

"You don't have to believe that someone is right to respect their right to believe their "honest fact" is just that. I don't like relativism, I'm Christian, plain and simple, but I don't think that disrespect of others or cliche/unsupported statements about their personal faith is appropriate anywhere. "

There's an old saying "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it."

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We don't make fun of Islam, we just shoot at and drop bombs on it. I'd say Christianity and Judaism are the winners here.

As for the 6000 year thing, there are plenty of Jews, Christians and Muslims who believe that, maybe you know just a handful but I know more and I don't really move in those circles.

As for why religion is a fair target:

*. It perpetrates lies, it starts with the creation story and carries on throughout the bible's 'historical' account of events. It's not just limited to historical accounts but the bible is littered with contradictions and inaccuracies, so which ever part of it you take as the telling truth, as a believer you're conceding that other parts are untrue.

*. It promotes bigotry: by stating that non-believers are fit only for eternal torment it effectively condemns them to worse than death. Not to mention the absolute condemnation of homosexuality, hey it's not my bag but it's not something you should out people to death for. Then there's the unequivocal advocation of racial purity...

*. Hence, when it's not an enemy of the state but part of it, because it perpetrates lies, hatred and bigotry, religion deserves to be a target for all manner of criticism, not just comedy.

End of story. You did ask.

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