John was sent to the future for what? Is that (according to show ) how it always was.. that john Connor from the future was always john from the past ? What will happen to the mom now that she stuck alone in the past? Where did Henry go? Did he go in time ? And what did Sarah say to john before he went to the future
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Alas, we will probably never know.
shareGreat. Came here to look for answers and found your post but no replies.
shareThe way TSCC functions is that the timeline changes every single time someone is brought into the past.
John Connor goes to the future to chase after Cameron. This is not how it "always was". This is what is happening right now after the events of the finale.
We don't know what happens to Sarah Connor; it's the finale. Her "chronicles" are over. She told him she'd stop it but obviously, we find out moments later that she couldn't (which we would have presumed anyways since the show keeps reaffirming that judgment day is inevitable). If the show had been continued, presumably the plot could have incorporated elements of her legacy. Maybe John Connor would find out evidence of her continued fight against Skynet, maybe with Ellison? And the show never explains what happened to Dyson either.
John Henry went into the future. With Cameron. That's why John Connor went to the future.
Sarah Connor said "I love you" iirc. You hear in the last few seconds of the episode.
See this didn't make sense to me.
1. Sarah has always been a very protective mother to John, to the point that she suffocates him yet she lets him go to the future with a terminatrix she doesn't even know. She is constantly hostile to Cameron because she doesn't trust her even after a year yet she's ok with John going alone with Weaver who just a second ago she believed was creating skynet and she just learned is a t1000 female?
2. why does John go with terminatrix to look for Cameron's chip anyways? I get that he was the closest to Cameron and didn't have any friends but still, they haven't established this dependent relationship that he'd abandon his mother over some terminator? And this, after he suspects his mom has cancer? He has a bond with his mother for over 16 years, he would pick some terminator he knew for a year over his sick and ailing mom?
3. So John establishing the resistance and being the mentor is all null and void now. Instead of a 44 year old scarred world leader, he's now just a 16 year old boy younger than both his father and Derek?
Tbh I saw this when it first came out and remembered loving it and knew it was cancelled but I forgot the ending. I rewatched this recently with my mom, we're doing a Terminator marathon and the ending really confused us. The characters are so inconsistent especially towards the end. I did not care for Jesse and Derek to an extent. They're struggling fighters who grew up starving with no clean water yet you see them waste green apples for target practice. No one who grew up poor or starving or just knowing starving people would waste food so frivolously. It's a pet peeve of mine when I watch American films, they seem so bratty and spoiled when I see food fights or when food is wasted when I grew up having the importance of food pounded into me day and out everyday of my life.
1. Sarah has always been a very protective mother to John, to the point that she suffocates him yet she lets him go to the future with a terminatrix she doesn't even know.
I think it's more apparent to me becuse I just marathoned the entire show after watching the first 2 terminator films. Cameron was never established as his girlfiend though, although there have been hints that they cared for each other. The character inconsistency towards the end is just frustrating though I still like the show hence why I rewatched it in the first place.
shareI was using the word, girlfriend, loosely; I'm not suggesting they're literally in a relationship. But it seems to me that's what the dynamic they were going for. Yeah, I haven't rewatched the show in years, but I remember there was this really cool scene at the end of an episode where John was like really sad about something, I can't remember. He was sitting on the couch between Sarah and Cameron. He looks over to Cameron with this wistful expression. Sarah sees him, and pulls his head into her lap instead.
I think it's just subtext for the literal story. Sarah obviously hates machines. But on another level, she's jealous of Cameron the same way a mother might.
2. why does John go with terminatrix to look for Cameron's chip anyways? I get that he was the closest to Cameron and didn't have any friends but still, they haven't established this dependent relationship that he'd abandon his mother over some terminator? And this, after he suspects his mom has cancer? He has a bond with his mother for over 16 years, he would pick some terminator he knew for a year over his sick and ailing mom?
I did see the subtext but in love? Idk. That's the thing, it hasn't been established that he loved or cared more for Cameron than his mom. Regardless, the mom walking back refusing to go with him. He was only 16, I find it hard to believe she would just let John go at that age with a dangerous Terminatrix she never met before that day.
shareThe way I see it, Cameron was sent back specifically to soften Young John's attitudes towards the machines, perhaps to have him more be more open to working with the third faction from an early age
3. So John establishing the resistance and being the mentor is all null and void now. Instead of a 44 year old scarred world leader, he's now just a 16 year old boy younger than both his father and Derek?
That's my issue though. John may have started young, but he built the resistance through the years. The end of this show suggests the resistance was already on going and he simply joined and was trained by them. Kyle before looked up to John as a mentor like a father figure, so it was an interesting twist that he was in fact John's father, which perfectly explains their bond. But here, John is the youngest, the kid. Whatever heroic legend he was in the past is all gone, he is now just some puny little kid joining an already established resistance.
It's like Jesus instead of starting the 12 Apostles and Christianity, is introduced as a new apostle of John. It destroys everything. That's the reason there are many Christian and messianic themes in the terminator films and series. Even his initials John Connor, JC is the same as Jesus Christ. JC was portrayed as a messianic legend and now that legend has been destroyed.
Who is the military leader in the resistance who can corroborate John's story? They all never heard of him?
Yeah it's a provocative take in the Terminator mythos. The John Connor we have at the end of TSCC is unlike any other variant. He's a kid surrounded by men. In my headcanon, I still see him leading the resistance; his journey would just be different.
I mean, if I wanted to write an alternate universe fanfic of the new testament, I could do something like that XD. It wouldn't change the fact that Jesus is still the Messiah. He still has to die for humanity's sins. Etc. It's just a reordering of events. I don't think John's legend is destroyed here (unlike...Dark Fate for instance).
I actually think TSCC improves on establishing John Connor as the Christ figure for this franchise. Back when I was getting into TSCC, I started to think about how...what makes John Connor actually special? During T1, back when we only had a enclosed time loop, the audience was led to believe that the humans had won. Skynet's defense grid was destroyed, and sending back the T-800 was a final desperate act. So in that continuity, John Connor was important because he had already led humanity to victory. But now, the timeline's been changed so many times...is he needed?
I think the show says that he is. If John Connor is truly special, he will lead regardless of the circumstances. It doesn't matter how timeline changes, or if he's a kid.
re: the military dude, the wizard of oz episode where they used the rifle to headshot a t-800. Kyle Reese was saying they had to convince the guy to stay at west point because he was essential in the resistance, providing actual combat experience and military training. At the end of the episode, he realized the threat of judgment day, and so stayed at west point instead of dropping out to be with his gf iirc. Presuming his role in the timeline doesn't change too much, it means there's at least one person in the resistance who'd recognize John Connor. Cause no one else is gonna believe that this teenager has firsthand experience.
The characters are so inconsistent especially towards the end. I did not care for Jesse and Derek to an extent. They're struggling fighters who grew up starving with no clean water yet you see them waste green apples for target practice. No one who grew up poor or starving or just knowing starving people would waste food so frivolously.
The first season definitely had tighter writing than the 2nd one.
shareTighter writing but I still think the characters could have been written better. I didn't find Derek to be particularly believable for most of season 1. I actually kept thinking he was a skynet plant because he just didn't seem to be what Kyle Reese's brother would be like lol
And definitely leagues better than that damn ufo episode. That was like an anime filler episode for sure. Hell, the whole three dots thing that Sarah was obsessed with. That explanation ended up so disappointing to me.