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A few minor gaffes in what was otherwise a great film


A wonderful film - very moving. But there were a few small but annoying technical glitches.

1. Some of the soldiers in an early scene are wearing their belts upside down. British TV has been putting out WW1 dramas for donkey's years - I'd have thought they could get this detail right by now.

2. In a late scene the Irish private soldier refers to his officer as a 'lootenant'! British soldiers of WW1 (who had not been subjected to numerous post-WW2 Hollywood movies) would never make this mistake.

3. Many of the photos of wounded men that the Kipling family search through clearly show a WW2 pattern 'Brodie' steel helmet. Not only is a WW2 steel helmet wrong, ANY steel helmet is wrong for late 1915 as steel helmets weren't issued to British troops until 1916!

4. In one or two scenes in the trenches the corporal is seen carrying his Lee-Enfield rifle with the stock in the crook of his right arm like a modern soldier might carry an Armalite rifle or similar weapon with a handgrip. British troops in WW1 did not do this - for one thing there's no way to comfortably hold the weapon without a handgrip (which the Armalite has but which the Lee-Enfield has not).

5. In the scenes in the German trenches, are those 1916 pattern German helmets I see? Not sure why the Germans would be wearing these months before they were issued.

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My memory isn't too fresh (I last saw it on Christmas), but I deffinitely don't remember the 1916 pattern helmets being used (I am sure they used the early war picklehaubes).

I also cannot remember a ''Brodie helmet'' in the photo but could it not have been an Adrian helmet?


"Jai Guru Deva, Om"

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there is no mistaking any type of "brodie" type helmet from either war for an adrian

and as far as the M16 Stahlhelm i didn't even see a single german soldier in the entire movie...

one other nitpick is in the scenes in the trench where they show some closeup shots of the rifles... the slings are green canvas which is incorrect for the time period... leather slings would have still been standard and WW1 era canvas slings were a khaki color

and the crook of the arm thing... i can comfortably carry a lee enfield in such a way however when marching through the trenches carrying a rifle in such a way is ill-advised as there's not much room in those trenches and holding a rifle perpendicular to the body puts part of your rifle in the way of people trying to walk past (as seen in the film with the wounded being taken the opposite direction ) this is why slings exist

overall this movie makes fewer errors than a large number of other war movies especially WW2(look at the many WW2 movies where they give american or sometimes russian tanks a german paint job... or watch enemy at the gates)

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"there is no mistaking any type of "brodie" type helmet from either war for an adrian"

It is possible with bad eyesight and taking into account the size of the picture. I had trouble working out whether Churchill was wearing a Brodie or Adrian in a picture (it didn't have a date) but it turned out that it was an Adrian.

Anyway, the person who stated that they saw the helmet in the film may have confused the look up (if he knew nothing of the era), plus the Adrian helmet was around in the early years of the war so I had to make sure that this is not the helmet the poster saw.

"Jai Guru Deva, Om"

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Hehe, "Adrian Brodie"

I can't go home until the carp is asleep.

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The British soldiers in the photos are definitely wearing Brodie helmets - they look like WW2 vintage to me. As the earlier post says it's difficult to mistake an Adrian helmet for a Brodie - they are completely different shapes. The helmets in the film were definitely WW2 Brodies - I should know - I've studied the British army's experience in WW1 for ten years and I manufactured reproduction WW1 Brodie liners for WW1 reenactments during the 1990s. But again, the point is not 'which steel helmet is wrong' - ANY steel helmet is wrong for 1915. A VERY few Adrian helmets were tested in 1915, but there is no way that so many of the photos being reviewed by the Kiplings would show any type of steel helmet - and if they did: i.e. if they were reviewing photos at a later point in the war, the photos showing a steel helmet should have been discarded at first glance because there is no chance whatsoever that their son could have possibly worn a Brodie steel helmet. The Kiplings are shown going through such photos again and again.

As for the German helmets, the image was dark at that point in the film, but again it's hard to mistake a pickelhaube for a late pattern stahlhelm. One thing is for certain - it was not a pickelhaube. The German soldier was lying dead in a trench. He may have been the film's only German soldier.

As for the notion that other films are worse, yes, that's true, but it's not a good excuse. British TV has had years of practice making WW1 dramas - I think it's about time they hired historical consultants who knew their job.

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Someone should hire you. No, I'm not being sarcastic. It's impossible for me to watch films like this without playing "spot the anachronism", so I understand how you feel. My first twitch came during Kipling's speech.
That poster with Lord Kitchener was NOT in mass production in August, 1914. It's possible that it was used deliberately, because the image was quite powerful, or used to hint that Kipling had an enlarged copy of the print before it was published. Kipling's contacts amongst the brass were legion;his influence as a saber-rattling writer of skill is and was legendary. "My Boy Jack" showed this well.
It's about time directors paid attention to historical consultants

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Why was it cold and pouring in France when just across the Channel, it was beautiful and sunny with green grass of summer?

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I think the timeline in the film was a little goofed up. John Kipling sailed to France the day after his 18th birthday (Aug 17th, 1915) but was not actually killed until six weeks later on Sept 27, 1915. The movie made it seem like he was killed the day after his birthday

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He seemed to be quite young to be an officer. Was that standard practice to have 18 year old officers then? I know this was set in WW1, but were the manpower losses that early in the war that severe to press men that young into the officer corps? I know when I was 18 it was all I could do to keep the sergeant off my a$$ as a private in the infantry!

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