what the... - Jack & Diane (2012) Discussion

[–] alapm89 18 years ago

i agree. its every possible drama tag line thrown together... "im gay, im leaving, i love you.. im a werewolf"... WTFFFF

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[–] am0911 18 years ago

The whole warewolf thing is a metaphor for Diane not being able to orgasm.

Anyways, if you aren't excited about this movie, then why are you even here?

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[–] nat365 18 years ago

There's no point calling a movie terrible before you've even seen it. It could end up a classic and a truly moving work of art. Or it could be a pile of trash (although at least actress wise, it seems well cast, as they're both pretty good).

Take a look at the 'Ginger Snaps' series if you want more about lycanthropy being used as a metaphor (the metaphor also changes through the movies).

You should always try and give a film a chance, because often they surprise you. The only film I ever refused to watch outright was 'Freddy Got Fingered', and that was simply because the whole idea of it and everything I have heard about it (and the split second piece of footage I saw when I went in to a room where it was playing) all combined so that I knew I would loathe it.

But reading a tiny summary of a film on imdb shouldn't be enough to make you condemn it. Especially since it's not even finished yet.

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[–] wild001 18 years ago

Really.
You need to extend your genre vocabulary to the extreme, in the case of fgf. The whole idea of the film is absurd, true, but it is genius at a different level.
Now back to the matter at hand. I agree with you that you cannot judge a film by its partial summary, and can't wait to see the girl who I grew to admire in Hard Candy, and for her brief role in xmen, get it on with a lady.
Roll film...

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[–] dragonate89 18 years ago

LMAO!! Thats great. Werewolf, thats funny.

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[–] the_wanted 17 years ago

They should rename it to "Lesbionic Werewolf Teen Romance".

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[–] shessoangelic 16 years ago

Yeah, cos the werewolf twist is soooo common. ::Sarcasm::

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[–] quiteclassically 16 years ago

That's dumb. From what I've heard the couple being lesbian is not important to the plot. It's not fair to say every movie with a gay romance is trying to be dramatic instead of just showing a romance that happens to be gay.

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[–] Rumor06 18 years ago

I am a big Ellen Page fan and I am very upset about her making out with some girl. Is it just me or is that a little disturbing? I have nothing against lesbians, but I don't want Page to act like one. And the whole idea about a lebian werewolf, just plain weird.

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[–] am0911 18 years ago

That.

Is the beauty of Ellen Page.

Ellen chooses roles that you may find weird, or a bit disturbing.

The only normal role in film I can think of is X-Men, which is probably why you find these roles a bit strange.

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[–] spacewolf11 18 years ago

That's why I like her so much.

I like that she takes the strange or controversial roles a lot of other people probably wouldn't take.

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[–] Rumor06 18 years ago

Your right. I might have overeacted a little bit. I mean it's not like she is a actually a lesbian. It's just a movie role. I suppose I can get over the whole girls making out thing.

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[–] urlameihateyou 17 years ago

She is a lesbian.

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[–] urlameihateyou 17 years ago

Yeah, the name's Brittney. My pics are public. If you have myspace you can see them. I have gaydar for girls. I can't tell for guys. She dresses like a stereotypical lesbian. She had a sign that said she wears boys underwear. She thought the rumor about her dating Ben was crazy and didn't know why people kept saying that. You can just tell if you're lesbian who is and who isn't. ...and who would be down if they were drunk. =]

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[–] happykeppi 17 years ago

Here is a quote from the interview you refer to:
[...]
Of rumours that she is her dating X-Men co-star Ben Foster, who played Warren Worthington aka Angel, she said: 'There is no time right now... Ben is just a very close friend. He is a fantastic human being and I have no idea how the rumour started. I am definitely available.
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Source: newspaper.asia1.com.sg
There's no real conclusion in all of this. So please stop the rumors in this "movie" board.

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[–] i_want_your_thingy 16 years ago

I also assume she's a lesbian. I started looking at some of her pictures and her way of dressing and her bodily positions just seemed to suggest that. Of course, she could go and surprise us and suddenly start dating some guy but personally I prefer to think of her as homosexual. And reading about the fact that she's doing a gay related movie made me happy. Whether she is gay or not, she might become an icon for lesbian women. She's already proving she has no problem with gay roles.

Well, either way, I like her. And I'm excited to see what this movie could be. It could be bad and it could be good.

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[–] kkfanJNS07 16 years ago

This movie is not about lesbian werewolves...

Olivia: We're having a little trouble getting money because people don't quite understand…

Ellen: They think it's about lesbian werewolves, and it's not.

Olivia: It does happen to be about lesbians and there does happen to be kind of very metaphorical references to werewolves…

Ellen: There's a dream!

Olivia: But that's a theme that is actually something that [director Brad Rust Gray] explores in his work - the concept of a girl or a character turning into something provoked by her repressed emotions.

Ellen: It sounds like Ginger Snaps, but he's actually never seen Ginger Snaps, he'd never heard of Ginger Snaps.

Olivia: In [Rust Gray's] movie Salt, it's about a girl and actually it's based on an Icelandic folktale, this girl turns into a seal. It's very metaphorical; it's not a literal metamorphosis that happens.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2007/09/28/ellen-pages-lesbian-werewolf-mo vie-jack-and-diane-needs-financing/

"I just met an adorable boy from London with an accent, who is leaving tomorrow. Jackpot." - LC

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[–] soydog 16 years ago

What's your beef with girls making out?
Would you care if she was doing the same flick with a guy?
Would you care if Ellen actually IS a lesbian? (not implying that she is at all)

And of course, you have 'nothing against lesbians'.

It's just another love story, but instead of transcending social backgrounds or race or age, it transcends gender. How can that be in any way repulsive?

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[–] mynamesjonas 18 years ago

I find it very amusing that you find the idea of lesbianism more disturbing than becoming a werewolf.

Way to go! :-D

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[–] Rumor06 18 years ago

I do not see how you do not understand this. Lesbians are real. Werewolves are not. Pretty simple.

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[–] hijraalbadr 18 years ago

whats the big deal with lesbians? lets just realize that some of the most iconic female figures in film history (i.e. Greta Garbo, Marlene Dietrich) were lesbians/queer women. besides, the issue for me is the use of the werewolf, metaphor or not, in juxtaposition to a relationship. while equally unnecessary in a "straight" film, its somewhat insulting whe thrown into the context of a queer/lesbian/LGBT film because most people will not see it as a "metaphor" and, while werewolves do not exist, serves to seemingly dumb down the sense of a sincere lesbian drama. which, unfortunately, is a genre that is far too sparsely populated with quality films as far as I'm concerned.

nevermind that regardless of her being queer or not in real life she <i>is</i> an actress so it really doesn't matter two ways from sunday what we think about her personal life so long as she does her roles justice. and besides, "Rudy", its not like she's dating you and decided to have a lesbian fling behind your back, in which case the troubling spot would be that she lied/omitted the truth/did not present herself honestly to you, not the queerness.

Come on, lets be a bit more post-modern folks, sexuality is fluid, embrace it just like the Romans. You want it, go for it; if it turns you on (psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, physically et. al.) go for it, just don't hurt (psychologically, emotionally, spiritually, physically et. al.) anyone in the process.

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[–] amoammo 18 years ago

I agree with what you've said, but i don't think we need to worry about what "most people will" do.

I doubt this movie will been seen by very many people. It may even be the case that some of the people on this board will be too young to see it.

Also it is expressly mentioned in the promotional stuff that the warewolf stuff comes from her inability to orgasm, so it's good that they are being specific, so people can't make other assumptions.

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[–] Viorica8957 17 years ago

I am a big Ellen Page fan and I am very upset about her making out with some girl. Is it just me or is that a little disturbing? I have nothing against lesbians, but I don't want Page to act like one. And the whole idea about a lebian werewolf, just plain weird.

If you don't have a problem with lesbians, why would you have a problem with Ellen Page taking a role as one? That, my friend, is called "selective open-mindedness" And why is a lesbian werewolf any weirder than a straight werewolf?

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[–] Rumor06 18 years ago

Your right. i didn't think it would upset you so much. But your lecture has shown me you are completely right. I need to be understanding.

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[–] hijraalbadr 18 years ago

For the record it wasn't a lecture. It was a response that happened to become longwinded. Personally I don't care what you believe, if you have an issue thats legit, but I was curious to figure out why that was such an offensive idea.

As for the werewolf thing I understand that is the explicit intent, but how many people do you think will read the promotional information?

I don't mean to rile any feathers about any of this, it's simply that queer (LGBTQIA, the whole spectrum of none heteronormative persons) images in media, specifically film and television, is what I'm studying. I tend to get very interested in any discussion of such images. *shrugs*

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[–] amoammo 18 years ago

"how many people do you think will read the promotional information?"

probably a large proportion. i think this film will be of primary interest to the sorts of people who are interested in discussing film, and are interested in what the director has to say etc

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[–] LesleyEixoh 17 years ago

Wow, you sound really educated. =/

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[–] longshanks-5 17 years ago

hijraalbadr said:
"the issue for me is the use of the werewolf, metaphor or not, in juxtaposition to a relationship. while equally unnecessary in a "straight" film, its somewhat insulting when thrown into the context of a queer/lesbian/LGBT film because most people will not see it as a "metaphor" and, while werewolves do not exist, serves to seemingly dumb down the sense of a sincere lesbian drama. which, unfortunately, is a genre that is far too sparsely populated with quality films as far as I'm concerned."

On the other hand, you could look at this as a sign that gays/lesbians have become so mainstreamed in North American society that filmmakers feel free to make fantasy stuff like this and not worry about the "message" that it's sending. They may not concede that the werewolf aspect is sending any message, at all, but is simply a wacky element of a love story, regardless of who the lovers may be.

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[–] evil_eldar_girl 17 years ago

For all you know Ellen may very well be a lesbian, would you stop being a fan of hers if she was indeed attracted to women rather than men?

It’s very possible that such attitudes are part of the reason she agreed to the role in the first place.

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[–] xaverie 17 years ago

So you'd be pretty upset that she's gay then.

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[–] shessoangelic 16 years ago

You're not against gay women? Sure could have fooled me. Hahahaha. This comment killed me.

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[–] T-Cat 16 years ago

Wow. You're such a hypocrite. "I have nothing against lesbians but I don't want Page to act like one". Sheesh. What an incredibly homophobic statement. If she's interested in portraying a character that happens to like women good for her. Back off and let her play the roles she wants to play. She's a brilliant young actress and I think it's fantastic that she's taking on controversial and edgy material that other rising stars wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. I applaud her tenfold.

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[–] pthmichael 17 years ago

This could be good way to attract horror movie fans to more human interest stories.

I'm not even referring to the fact that it's a movie about lesbians, but I'm more focused on the bit about becoming a werewolf because of failure to achieve a reguired amount of sexual gratification.

BTW. on the subject of 'Ginger Bites' ( I have seen the trilogy and wasn't impressed.) what was that a metaphor for.

I can only guess that her becoming a Werewolf did atleast improve her social status at school before she got to the point of becoming homicidal.

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[–] scion9 17 years ago

Very late reply, but the movie is Ginger Snaps. The movie is basically painted up to be a teenage coming of age drama. Lycanthropy in that film is representative of the changes that you go through in your young adult life; puberty, coming into your sexuality. In this film the werewolf angle gives those changes a more immediate physical aspect, for the purposes of keeping that tense psuedo-horror atmosphere and giving it some tongue-in-cheek humor at the same time.

I will have to wait and see on this movie. I can't say I like the sexual release metaphor in this film if what I am hearing is true. All too familiar ground being retread over and over again. Very similar topics; monsters and transformations, forbidden love or unattainable desires; have been explored for well over a century in literature including stories with lesbian characters as early as the 19th century.

I don't mind contemporary updates of old themes, but I think the subject matter could probably be explored and well done without the plot twist. However, perhaps the guy who wrote Hitch doesn't have it in him. The werewolf angle in this just seems like a cop out, or self censorship. Early writers couldn't openly write about controversial topics and have their works taken seriously without masking things in metaphor. That really shouldn't be necessary in this day and age. What's more, this film probably won't take itself seriously and be even more tongue-in-cheek than Ginger Snaps.

To me it sounds like he pitched the idea of a werewolf movie, then added lesbians after rejection, or he pitched the idea of a lesbian love tale and that got shot down so he added werewolves. I would also be concerned with production values. Bad CGI can seriously hurt a good film no matter how superficial that is.

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[–] randomhero0815 17 years ago

How much do you want to bet the original idea for this movie didn't get green-lighted, so they added lesbians, boom, controversial, green-lighted.

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[–] amoammo 17 years ago

look at the type of films the people making this make - they're obviously not crass idiots. The director has said he based the story on a real lesbian couple he met...

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[–] MechanicalWhispers 17 years ago

Yes, the story was always about sexual discovery and based on a lesbian couple. Does everyone need everything spelled out and spoon fed to them these days? I'm sure a lot of you would read a one-sentence synopsis of (insert your favorite movie here) and hate it based on your own initial preconceived notion of what it would be. As for the werewolf metaphor, have none of you heard of unbridaled passion... no less experienced it? I found the story quite interesting and unique. Yes, I've read the script. No, I'm not the director or producer.

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[–] amoammo 17 years ago

if you feel so strongly about those sorts of opinions, you shouldn't be replying to *my* post :)

But anyway, what's your involvement with the project? any idea when it's going to go ahead?

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[–] MechanicalWhispers 17 years ago

Sorry, I just went to the bottom and hit reply. I don't do this message board thing too often.

I wish I could say what my involvement is, but you know how these things go. I will post something if/when I can.

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[–] amoammo 17 years ago

k if you hit reply on the message posted by the person who posted the message you want to disagree with it should email *them*.

can't you even tell us when it's shooting? pretty please?

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[–] BQQ 17 years ago

"I am a big Ellen Page fan and I am very upset about her making out with some girl. Is it just me or is that a little disturbing? I have nothing against lesbians, but I don't want Page to act like one."

Sure, you have nothing against lesbians... and I have nothing against homophobes...
I'm sure she's delighted to have you as her fan...

"William F. Buckley wrote a book at Yale; I read one." George W. Bush

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[–] TiNA-MARBLE 17 years ago

I was reading the plot and at first, I thought it was about a lesbian love story but then I read the werewolf plot and I was like WTF. Haha!

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[–] Lizzy_LaVey 17 years ago

"I am a big Ellen Page fan and I am very upset about her making out with some girl. Is it just me or is that a little disturbing?"

So you're fine with her playing a girl who cuts off a guy's balls (or at least pretends to), but her playing a lesbian is disturbing? Um, ok...

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[–] Cyberonika 17 years ago

look at the type of films the people making this make - they're obviously not crass idiots. The director has said he based the story on a real lesbian couple he met...

One of whom of course happened to be a werewolf...

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[–] Rumor06 17 years ago

I just want to apologize for my previous comments, I definetly wish that I could rephrase what I said. I sounded totaly homophobic. I regret what I said and I am sorry. I shouldn't have said it.

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[–] PurplePanther 17 years ago

I think this movie sounds retarded.

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[–] twotall525 17 years ago

This has got to be one of the worst plot lines I've heard of. Lesbians and werewolves, who the hell thinks of these things?!

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