The return of Kane - How?


Firstly, I am sooooooo happy that Kane is going to feature in this game with the rest of the soon to be announced all star cast. I am also happy that he is once again being played by the brilliant Joseph Kucan and not replaced by a CG character like many have feared.

However, how can Kane return after being killed at the end of Tiberian Sun? Here are a few explanations:

At the end of Tiberian Sun (NOD ENDING), the shockwave that enveloped Kane and supposedly destroyed him may not have been a shock wave, but a chronosphere wave transporting him to another place or time?

The character at the end of the game was not Kane (either sides ending), but merely a clone or even a cyborg, like the Kane cyborgs shown at the end of the Tiberiun Sun: Firestorm expansion?

The new Kane in tiberian wars could alternatively be one of the cyborgs.

If anyone has any other suggestions / explanations, please add them.

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they stated at the beginning of Tiberian Sun that Kane's body was never recovered.

so he either lived it, or escaped before the explosion.

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there could have been Kane clones, similar to Yuri Prime's clones in Red Alert 2... perhaps?
Chronosphere is a possibility, but:
I signed up for the E-Mail for this game. I got an E-mail that had a video of Kane. He did NOT have the Cyborg stuff on the side of his face from the end of Tiberian Sun.

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ooh!! lightbulb!

CABAL could have Kane's consciousness in his computers. Kane could live through various CABAL locations via A.I.?

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u can't kill the messiah!

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is Yuri Prime related to Kane?

:P

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[they stated at the beginning of Tiberian Sun that Kane's body was never recovered.

so he either lived it, or escaped before the explosion.]

Kane DID NOT escape before the explosion. The ending of the GDI campaign shows Kane embracing the light from the Ion Cannon destroying the Temple of Nod. How he survived is unclear, since the Ion Cannon is GDI's most powerful weapon. And he was stabbed through the chest by McNeil at the end of Tiberian Sun. Maybe Kane is the messiah...

...or maybe he's not human.

What I've wondered is why Kane hasn't exposed himself to Tiberium yet. He claims that Tiberium is the almighty liberator (even though it has killed millions of people and has made 30% of the Earth uninhabitable to all carbon-based lifeforms). Of course, you never know what will happen to you if you're exposed to Tiberium, even in a controlled way.

If Kane's not human, there's a chance that he's with the Scrin. For those of you who don't know, the Scrin is an alien civilization, apparently Tiberium-based, that has sent Tiberium to Earth as a terraforming agent for Scrin colonization. In the final GDI mission of Tiberian Dawn, where you have to destroy the Temple of Nod, there is an alien UFO visible in part of the map. Also, there is a crashed UFO in one of the missions of C&C Renegade. And in both GDI and Nod missions in Tiberian Sun, you have to secure the crash site of a massive Scrin ship that crashed in New Mexico (ironic, isn't it?). The Banshee aircraft is believed to have been based off of Scrin technology.

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Another possibility is that Kane is the biblical Cain. In C&C renegade, there is a coffin with the name Abel on it. Also, the fact that Kane still looks similar in Tiberian Dawn and Tiberium Wars in terms of age would indicate immortality. Even in Red Alert, he is seen advising Stalin. That would mean Kane is more than 125 years of age by the time of C&C 3.

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This Game will rule! I cant believe how many people are in it! Maybe maybe it will star Kane Jr. the messiah's son!

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kind of like that guy from justice league that kept trying to conquer the world.

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Indeed. After slaying abel, Kane leaves and wanders the "land of nod" (paraphrased)
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You know I'm right.

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Kane transcends life. Remember in Red Alert when he was part of Stalin's staff? Kane is everywhere, man lol.

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red alert is Yuri, not Kane, as is indicated by the lisp and the tubes to enhance his psycic abilitys.

also, Red Alert and Tiberian Sun take place in alternate time lines.

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Wrong. Kane was in RA1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHdgstg-7KY), Yuri was in RA2. RA1 is canon for the tiberian universe, RA2 is not.

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What happened to Kane in it then? And where is all the RA2 technology in TD?

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Iam one of those that still believes that even RA2 has some connection to C&C and Tiberium univurse even if it migth be hard to fit in.

It seems Kane has some technology to alter time somehow or a technology that can prolong life.

And if one shall believe Soviet victory Kane assassinated Stalin and let the brotherhood take over which would explaine perfectly how a soviet victory would lead to C&C Tiberium univurse.

Some would believe a Allied victory would not lead to Tiberium storyline.

But take this in consideration Kane is a schemer if Allied won as it seemed in RA2 Kane just probably saw that as a minor backfire off his plans and instead letting the brotherhood make themself known as in a soviet victory.

He just remained in the shadows to plot someting else.
and while one dont see Kane at all in RA2 does not mean that the brotherhood is not still lurking in the shadows bidding their time as according to first C&C history Kane did not begin to preach about his brotherhood and Tiberium until late 90's or so dont remember which year it was and is not RA2 supposed to take place in the 60's or 70's if I remember correctly.

So probably if the soviet won the brotherhood would have taken the chance to make themself known already then but as the plans backfired with the victory of the allies Kane and his brotherhood remained hidden and appeared again first in the late 90's so I believe that the brotherhood still exist as RA2 takes place.

And about the the thing mentioned above the same person is acting as "information officer" for the Ally/GDI side in both RA2 and C&C TS (Athena Massey) and that she must be very old.

It does not have any signifience as they are not the same person in each of the game you know he who playes the soviet president not the bald villian damn forgotten both their name for the moment.
Anyway he who played the soviet president in RA2 actually had a minor role as a nod leader in Firestorm being assinated by Cabal and those two has not ties at all.

So I guess westwood just reused some actors in their games and has not significant or ties to each other.

On the other hand Athena Massey who played a information officer named "Eva" in RA2 and in command and conquer we have the ai "EVA".

I remember I saw a sci-fi movie once that was about an great millitary leader during 2nd ww and after his death had his brain frozen somehow and his knowledge and military stragey was turned into and ai that could aid the good guys against the villian trough his ai self.

Maybe something similar happened to information officer Eva in RA2 and they used her miltary skills and advising skill and used it to create what those in Tiberium unviurse now consider the ai EVA.

Anway though most does not see RA2 to have any ties to orginal command and conquer series as first RA had I still believes that RA2 has ties to Tiberium univurse anyway.

With the diffrences with that if had the soviet won in first RA Kane had made himself known already then but as Allied had the pure luck of winning he skipped that plan and remained in the shadows or used some time travel technology and skipped ahead a couple of years and kept ploting and scheming until late 90's where he once again makes an appereance with the introduction of the Tiberium to the world.

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[What happened to Kane in it then? And where is all the RA2 technology in TD? ]

The Tiberian Dawn manual states that the Brotherhood of Nod emerged in North Africa. Kane tried to use the Soviet Union as a power base to build up his forces. However, his plan backfired when the Allies defeated the USSR. As a result, Kane was forced to flee to Africa and emerge with his third-world army and the only technology to harvest Tiberium.

As for the second question, it seems like the GDI Orca aircraft we've come to know and love was based upon the Harrier jump-jet from RA2. The Jump-Jet Infantry in TS were based upon RA2 Rocketeers. The Nod Stealth Tank was based upon the RA2 Mirage Tank. The Obelisk of Light could have been based upon the RA2 Prism Towers. And the EVA system could have derived its name from Lt. Eva Lee in RA2. That's my assumption of the relation between Tiberian Dawn and Red Alert 2.

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I used to be a nut over all of this stuff. Anyways, Red Alert 2 is not canon in any sense; It was even called, by Westwood, a comic take on the Red Alert plotline (hency the cheesy FMV's and stuff and their references to campy Cold War movies). It was, for a while, stated that with the release of RA2 that the Red Alert and Tiberium Conflict series would become separate and unrelated, but EA has apparently recently overruled that, placing RA2 firmly as non-canon. There's no need to try to draw lines between RA2 tech and Tiberian Sun tech. The cloaking technology was developed exclusively by Nod under the Ezekial's Wheel code name, and Orca's have very little in common with Harriers- they're more closely related to helicopters than fighters, using dedicated maneuverable turbines instead of vectored thrust. In fact- I'm not sure on this- but I'm fairly certain that Tiberian Dawn (the original C&C) takes place at roughly the same time as Red Alert 2, given the advanced technology displayed in RA2 and the modern setting of Tiberian Dawn. Someone with dates will have to confirm this.

And on Kane- as far as I know, he is a clone. In one of the Tiberian Sun: Firestorm endings, you can distinctly see his body in a tube (along with many other bodies in tubes). It would seem, according to that ending, that he was in fact controlling (or was otherwise related to) CABAL, as (again, memory a little fuzzy here) the suspension/cloning vats were located under a CABAL complex. Of course, it is much more probable that he is a Scrin agent sent to speed along the terraforming/harvesting of the Earth via Tiberium (as the material is sucking the planet dry of nutrients and minerals), and that CABAL is a direct extension of this objective, given CABAL's priorities... Genesis Pit, harvested humans, etc.

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I think the people in the vats in the Firestorm ending make up for the organic part of CABAL (Computer Assisted BIOLOGICALLY Augmented LIFEFORM). That's why you can hear CABAL and Kane in unison - CABAL integrated Kane into itself.

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That's an interesting bit of information, I'd never actually looked up the meaning of CABAL- just took the name for what it really meant (if I did look it up, I must've forgotten). Thanks for the info, changes a few things for my perspective.

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Kane is Chuck Norris' only fear.

Believing in God is a gamble. If you win you gain all. If you lose you lose nothing.

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Well, as far as I know RA2 would take place around the 1970s (two decades after the Great War/RA1) while Tiberian Dawn definitely took place around the 1990s (about 1993-1995 where the First War ended). The advance technology level in RA2 is due to Einstein's manipulation of time, causing advance technologies to emerge before their time.

That's why in RA1 we get MiG jets and Apache copters as well other advance techs.

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doesnt tiberium hit earth in 1997? Or was it when the first war started?


Yes RA2 could take place pretty early. And if you think of it.. Einstein was born in 1879 so he would most probably die kind of soon after the first allied-soviet war. The real one died in 1955.

But I am pretty sure RA2 isnt related to the Tiberian world..:)


here is the story from before red alert to before the second tiberian war (Tiberian Sun)
http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/command_and_conquer_story.txt

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It is higly suggested that Kane mystery will be resolved in Tiberium Wars.

Nonetheless, since he is the mastermind behind everything, he is betrayed as mentionned in the character's video. Apparently, General Kilian Qatar(Number Six from Battlestar Galactica)will withdraw the NOD contigent of forces to attack the Alien race so it is likely Kane shall reveal his true colors since he doesn't consider the Scrin as a threat but as the "Visitors"

There's also strange surroundings: I wouldn't be surprised to find out some characters are Scrin agents. Some are also suspicious like Ajay and Kierce James in her video since no one talks about her.

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Kane is a clone. At the end of the Tiberian Sun Firestorm expansion pack (when you complete the NOD campaign) it is revealed that CABAL is Kane, or Kane is CABAL. Anyway the point is there were loads of Kane clones being grown in a secret facility.

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Those were not Kane clones, two of them have boobs! They were the biological component of CABAL, collectively making up his intelligence.

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Have you ever seen Joe Kucan naked IRL? The man has man-boobs. For real.

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That also explains why Kane hasn't aged a day (well technically he has but C&C 3 is taking place a few decades after the first game). However we shouldn't discount the Chronosphere especially since the devs wanted to connect Red Alert with the Tiberium Saga.

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(Have you ever seen Joe Kucan naked IRL? The man has man-boobs. For real. )

Are you gay?

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Are you a moron? Do not speak lightly of Kane's moobs. They alone are greater than you or your sniveling blue zone spawn can ever hope to be.

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Tiberian first surfaced in Italy, in 1995 (as stated at the beginning of the NOD campain in Wars. Tiberian Dawn would have occurred approximately 2 years after (1997).

Red Alert 2 is based towards the End of the Cold War (about 1990), if not a little longer, the Russian Communist government was disbanded by the Allies, so there was no peace talks between the US and Russia (by Mikhail Gorbachev, in the 1980's), as the old "Tsarist" monarchy was replaced, and this allowed Yuri to get his hands in.

So, my estimates, there is a too great of a technological leap, and change, as well as political and social changes, between RA2 and TD that would lead to some sort of continued plot.

The MiG jets were first constructed in 1940, and as such, would fit quite nicely in the RA1 timeline, the Apache helicopter was first flown in 1975, so technically speaking, would be more suited to RA2's timeline than RA1's.

Then again, Einstein did create the Chronosphere, with which Hitler was killed, so WWII did not occur... which would have massively reduced the technology around in RA.

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Vernatia is wrong.

Red Alert 2 doesn't take place in 90's. There was no Cold War in C&C Universe, because war beetween Allies and USSR was in 50's. USA put Romanov in charge of soviets, but he secretly built new army and started new war.

Another point of RA2 being a part of C&C universe is pictures of soviet tanks from RA2 in C&C Renegade (which IS a part of C&C). They can be found in NOD buildings somewhere in the middle of the game.

My favorite theory is the one in which Kane got time machine from RA1 intro. Since they didn't mention this machine anywhere in the game except that intro, maybe second guy from it was Kane. He stolen the time machine after they changed the course of WWII, then traveled to future, seen tiberium and Scrin destroyed the planet and started to build his own brotherhood to stop it (or something else...I don't know his final goal). He traveled in past, inserted part with Cain and land of nod into bible, created his brotherhood there and returned in 20th century to return to his brotherhood. He then became an ally with soviets and well... you know everything else. So at the end of each C&C he just returns to his time machine and travel further in time and build his brotherhood again. The guy that was killed by McNeil in Tiberian Sun is Kane clone, because he have stupid mask and acts like crazy, he isn't as cool as Kane who game orders to Slavik in Nod campaign. Maybe Kanes that was killed in Tiberium Dawn and Tiberium Wars was clones too. Maybe GDI isn't Kane's enemies at all, but just brute force that got to fight Brotherhood of Nod and Kane is like Palpatin from Episode III got it all planned from the beginning.

It seems way too smart for EA to came with something like that (as you know Westwood hasn't developed any C&C game since Renegade and was killed by EA), I guess in Kane's Wrath it would be revealed that Kane is just a stupid clone.

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This is obviously wrong. In the end of soviet campaign of C&C Stalin is being killed by Nadia, Stalin's chief of NKVD and secretly a member of brotherhood. Ending of RA tells us that brotherhood was using Stalin and Soviet Union.

Generals clearly didn't take place in C&C universe. It takes place in 2000-2010 years, while first tiberium war was in mid 1990's. Game also have not a single connection to the universe.

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Kane is following none but his own idea.
If they want to link stories just say the Scrin came to earth and told Einstine how to make the cronosphere.

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"There's also strange surroundings: I wouldn't be surprised to find out some characters are Scrin agents. Some are also suspicious like Ajay and Kierce James in her video since no one talks about her. "
-Lord Zeratul

It is said that some could be Scrin agents and it likely they are.
Kane is looking for Alien prisms to control the whole Scrin invasion.

Apparently, GDI will loose because they will not use the Ion Cannon and their Tiberium arsenal. In GDI campaign you'll have to decide who to follow between GDI director Boyle and military leader Granger. It seems they won't use the Tiberium weapons and that's why NOD and the Scrin will merge to BECOME ONE.

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However, the end of the game leaves some many openings because of its many surprises and betrayals.
I think the third Tiberium War will continue in their expansion where GDI will be a rebel force divided while the Brotherhood has achieved supremacy over the Alien invaders. Kane's mystery is TOLD but to some specific characters which it means now GDI will have to work harder to defeat an unbreakble enemy possessing the Scrin.

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Actually they will remain ENEMIES because NOD will control the Scrin.

But your statement brings a possible event for the expansion since some Scrin "rebels" could be severed from Kane's domination and would help Granger's GDI faction against the Brotherhood.

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That's just great. Technically, there are a total of six factions. Each of the three sides have divisions right down the middle. >=(

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