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This adaptation on the whole.


To kick-start a discussion on this adaptation firstly I would like to say that on the whole I was not very impressed. It's sweet and pretty...much like Catherine as she is portrayed. There is very little real drama and very little comedy. IMO anyway. I was left wanting more. Perhaps less of Catherine's dreams and more of Catherine's reality? And why does Davies always have to insert a sexual element. Sure Isabella was mercenary, I rather doubt she would go as far as having sex to get engaged.

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And why does Davies always have to insert a sexual element. Sure Isabella was mercenary, I rather doubt she would go as far as having sex to get engaged.


Summeriris, this was a problem for me, as well. I want to watch this again (as well as the 1987 version) before commenting too much, but, having recently finished a re-read of the novel, I was struck - again! - by Andrew Davies perverse prurience. You were right some months back, when, referent to a different Austen adaptation of his, you noted that he did much better with Sue Birtwislte producing - and I would speculate, directors who knew how to mitigate and minimize Davies' obsession with introducing illicit sex, or at least, suggestions in that direction, beyond Austen's intentions. Which is stupid of him, as Austen did NOT flinch from introducing the subject herself - when she felt it necessary for her story.

In this adaptation, when Captain Frederick Tilney speaks to Henry of the mess drinking to Miss Thorpe for a fortnight, there is no mistaking his meaning and intent.

But, in the novel, it is Henry who says to Catherine that "The mess-room will drink Isabella Thorpe for a fortnight, and she will laugh with your brother over poor Tilney's passion for a month."

Changing the speaker and truncating the line as Davies does utterly rewrites the meaning, as it cannot be reasonably imagined that Jane Austen intended us to think that this "nice," precise, proper clergyman, Henry Tilney, would speak to a very innocent young girl of his brother's lascivious intent with regard to her particular friend.

In addition, while John Thorpe is a thorough lout, he is also an impulsive hothead - can we believe he would regard his sister's despoiling (of course, in Bath, this could not have remained secret long - and must materially lessen John's own prospects for an advantageous marriage) without an ensuing challenge by him to Captain Tilney?

Apparently, Davies becomes so inflamed with his own sexualized imagination as to reduce him to narrative myopia.


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In addition, while John Thorpe is a thorough lout, he is also an impulsive hothead - can we believe he would regard his sister's despoiling (of course, in Bath, this could not have remained secret long - and must materially lessen John's own prospects for an advantageous marriage) without an ensuing challenge by him to Captain Tilney?

Apparently, Davies becomes so inflamed with his own sexualized imagination as to reduce him to narrative myopia.


Davies is really starting to get ridiculous in this matter. He knows how seriously the world of the Regency looked at this. We saw in P&P that Lydia's indiscretion reflected badly on her sisters. Are we to simply swallow wholesale Isabella hopping into bed with Captain Tilney while she is out in company? And where was the bedroom? It's so stupid.

Another thing I didn't care for was Gen Tilney turfing Catherine out in the middle of the night. Quite apart from the improbability of it all, why was Liam Cunningham so criminally underused? Here is an actor who can project warmth, strength, ruthlessness and intelligence with the twitch of an eyebrow. And all he gets to do in this production is look at his watch and complain about the time?



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Hi Summer, and Locus!

The sexing up in certainly over the top. Davies does love to add it in, doesn't he? Not only the scene with Isabella in bed, but also Catherine standing up naked in the bathtub.

I too can't imagine Isabella doing such a thing. She's far too shrewd to throw away her trump card in such a careless manner with a man she's barely acquainted with.

In addition, while John Thorpe is a thorough lout, he is also an impulsive hothead - can we believe he would regard his sister's despoiling (of course, in Bath, this could not have remained secret long - and must materially lessen John's own prospects for an advantageous marriage) without an ensuing challenge by him to Captain Tilney?

Yes, I could completely see Thorpe doing this, he is very impulsive and would be outraged at the damage to their prospects due to his sister's disgrace. They both were scheming to better their situations the entire time they were in Bath, after all.

I really enjoyed this adaptation. It was a fun watch for me. I really liked Feild's Tilney. I thought him quite attractive and charming.

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I like the look of this one very much, and like the two leads in their roles. But the more of Austen's era I read about and see, the less I like the way Davies turns everything "sexy". I think this version, more than anything else he's done, has been ruined a bit by "sexing it up".

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I think it's his fall back position. He must think that it's the only way to expad the story and make it interesting. More and More I find myself turned off by his adaptations. If you think this one is bad, do not whatever you do watch his adaptation of 'A Room With A view'.

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If you think this one is bad, do not whatever you do watch his adaptation of 'A Room With A view'.

I've never seen it, is it very terrible?

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Oh he only changed the entire plot-line. It was my daughter who told me about it. She turned it off and she loves 'A Room With A View.'

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Oh, I see. It does seem that he likes to "improve" (at least in his opinion) upon the original source material.

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Yes, in this case a complete change from the novel was deemed best. He decided that instead of a love story with the couple living a long and happy life together, it would be much better to turn it into a tragedy with a young woman widowed in WW1.

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Goodness! That's an extreme change. I would have been very upset too, if I was familiar with the original story. Especially since I tend to dislike endings that don't leave me with a good feeling. What was he thinking?

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That he knows best, on all occasions. I have gone off him completely.

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Yes, I am afraid I am not inclined to see what he does next, and I hope he eschews Miss Austen in future.

Still, his P&P and "Emma" stand as, IMO, the best, and most faithful, adaptations to date of their source novels, so it is sad, for me, that I don't feel I can look forward to another such.

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I've never seen it, is it very terrible?


Something VERY shocking, dearest Catherine! - Actually, I've no idea, I've not seen it, but your wording sounded just like Miss Moreland about her novels. Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Something VERY shocking, dearest Catherine! - Actually, I've no idea, I've not seen it, but your wording sounded just like Miss Moreland about her novels. Sorry, couldn't resist.


Hahaha! You made me lol on that one dear locus!

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I liked some of it a lot, actually, and some of it not at all. JJ Feild was a delightful Henry Tilney, if perhaps a bit over-elfin. And I enjoyed Felicity Jones' Catherine a great deal, I would like to see more of this actress' work.

But Jones is, for me, a bit too much of a stand-out. She seems very special, and one of the things I did like about the relatively lackluster 1987 version was how very well it presented Catherine (nicely played by Katharine Schlesinger, IMO) as a very sweet, but rather ordinary girl. This Catherine does not come across as at all ordinary, to me - her looks as well as her delivery speak character, distinction. Or at least, more than I think of Miss Moreland as possessing.

I also found Liam Cunningham (an excellent actor) too obviously ill-natured; he raises our antennae from the character's introduction. And there are points at which his attentions to Miss Moreland see almost salacious (thanks, Mr. Davies). You've noted the General turning Catherine out in the middle of the night - as bad as he is, the novel doesn't propose that.

I though Robert Hardy in the 1987 worked it better; he seems so gracious, yet there is something "off," that one cannot at first put one's finger on - which is Catherine's reaction when she dines with the family - her friends are subdued, uncommunicative, in their father's presence, yet he is making himself so (surface) agreeable to her that she is puzzled by the atmosphere. The 1987, IMO, got that right, and the 2007 did not.

BOTH versions fail in fidelity in their succumbing to making Northanger so much Catherine's vision of an Abbey - Austen very explicitly crushed that. And both over-indulge in the orgasmic raptures of Catherine's fantasies. Taking up, frankly, far too much of the short running time each film has, and jettisoning or giving very short shrift to other aspects. As you say, I'd have preferred more of Catherine's reality and less of her fantasies.

I loved the Moreland family - good in the 1987, excellent in the 2007. And Sylvestra Le Touzel beat out even the great Googie Withers as Mrs. Allen. I really must see her "Mansfield Park."

The Thorpes are all good in both versions.

I've expounded on my dim view of the sexing-up Davies does; the alterations required to torture that aspect into a rather straightforward narrative are beyond unfortunate. I'm willing to handwave a young lady in her bath, but a young lady in a purported suitor's bed is something entirely different, and, to me, utterly unpalatable as an adapter's invention. Isabella is not that stupid, I don't believe, and the consequences would have been dreadful for her entire family. Possibly also for Captain Tilney, as John Thorpe would almost certainly have flung down a gauntlet at his sister's defloration, and might have got lucky in a duel.

Neither film is without flaw, both make errors, often the same ones. One has to wonder. The novel is not Austen's best, and perhaps her least profound, but still, as source material, I'd think it deserved some respect. I think there's a teensy bit more respect in the 1987, but it doesn't hang together well (I like Peter Firth's Henry Tilney, though, as well as others I've mentioned). The 2007 is a more coherent piece of work, but not terribly satisfying.

Edited because I found I'd spelled "introduction" as "introfuction." Davies' influence.

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I've yet (still) to read Northanger, but on the two adaptations alone - I far and away prefer the 2007 version. JJ Feilds' Tilney sold on the actor immediately. I recently watched Austenland specifically because he was in it, and I found it to be a fluffy, silly-sweet, charming, bit of fun. I loved him in his role as the "Darcy" in the ensemble. I'll definitely watch it again.

Edited because I found I'd spelled "introduction" as "introfuction." Davies' influence.

Bahaha! Stop it, you're going to make me snort.

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webrowser, with your eye, of course you prefer the 2007 - I do too, actually - as I said, it hangs together much better as a piece of work, although, as far as the acting and presentation of the characters goes, I think they are not too far apart.

But I am not really satisfied by either, as an adaptation. And it's too bad - the story is so simple, relatively, for Austen, it presents lots of easily imaginable ways to adapt, yet each falls short.

Yes, both JJ Feild and Felicity Jones (Welsh girl!! and I have to stand up for her excellent work, and let me clarify - she it't pretty, but she is, IMO, beautiful), individually and together, worked very well indeed.

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webrowser, with your eye, of course you prefer the 2007 - I do too, actually - as I said, it hangs together much better as a piece of work, although, as far as the acting and presentation of the characters goes, I think they are not too far apart.


You're correct, locus. It appealed a great deal to me visually, and the lack of that visual appeal was stark to me in the 87 version. The visual appearance of a production is something that carries a lot of weight with me, it seems. I so enjoyed the sweet chemistry between Feild & Jones. He's quite attractive IMO, and she is beautiful - as you said. They looked so good together!

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I did like JJ Feild a great deal. I thought his Henry Tilney a very good, a successful, characterization, more so, on the whole, if slightly less sensitively intelligent, than Peter Firth's. I should note I really love Peter Firth; I may not be unbiased here.

Unfortunately, "fluffy and silly-sweet" paired with the name of Austen sort of makes my elbows feel icky. Thank you for the warning, I think I'd do best to avoid "Austenland." I do need to see "Miss Austen Regrets," with the wonderful Olivia Williams as Miss Austen herself.

Always delighted to provide a laugh or two . . .

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I did like JJ Feild a great deal. I thought his Henry Tilney a very good, a successful, characterization, more so, on the whole, if slightly less sensitively intelligent, than Peter Firth's. I should note I really love Peter Firth; I may not be unbiased here.

I was immediately drawn in by Feild. His appearance, manner, and charm worked together perfectly for me. It took me a bit longer to warm up to Firth's Tilney - but I eventually did.

Unfortunately, "fluffy and silly-sweet" paired with the name of Austen sort of makes my elbows feel icky. Thank you for the warning, I think I'd do best to avoid "Austenland."

I understand. It was very comical, and meant to be such. A couple of characters were very over-the-top. I know that doesn't appeal to everyone. JJ Feild and Keri Russell had great chemistry IMO, and that made it worth the watch for me.


I do need to see "Miss Austen Regrets," with the wonderful Olivia Williams as Miss Austen herself.

I've seen that! It is lovely, I think you'll enjoy it. I need to watch it again. I have the DVD. Olivia Williams is wonderful. I so enjoyed her in the short-lived Joss Whedon series, Dollhouse.

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I'm rethinking "Austenland," actually. I probably will not much like it, but now I think about it, Keri Russell and "fluffy and silly-sweet" sound like an odd pairing. Not putting Russell down, not at all, I like her, but she has such a hard, sharp edge, in the (admittedly limited) work of hers I've seen. It piques my interest. If she and Feild have good chemistry, too, it could be worth a look.

Olivia Williams is a formidable actress, no question. I recently saw an older film of hers, "Rushmore," a charming comedy with very serious over- and undertones; she holds her own as a presence with Bill Murray (I maintained he was a seriously under-rated actor long before he became recognized as a fine one). I'll put "Dollhouse" on the list - any Ibsen in the pedigree?


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I hope you don't find Austenland cringe-worthy. I'm interested to see what you think.

any Ibsen in the pedigree?

I'm not familiar with that work, so I'm not sure. You'll have to let me know if there are any parallels once you watch Whedon's series. Whedon is known for showcasing strong, empowered, heroines. He is fond of girl-power.

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Henrik Ibsen's play, "A Doll's House," was what I had in mind. Probably no connection. I saw an old "Playhouse 90" rerun, with Julie Harris and I think Christopher Plummer. Richard Thomas as a child, definitely. Truncated, but wonderful.

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