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Why are Americans so high-strung about any kind of rape scene?


I'm an American too and just generally speaking here, but it confuses the *beep* out of me how no one can withstand any kind of rape scene in a movie. Now I am nowhere NEAR implying that rape is not a bad thing, it's gruesome, horrible, and heinous for sure. But why do so many people have little to no problem seeing someone get murdered in the most brutal manner possible.. yet add "rape" to it, everyone cringes in sheer disgust. Is the thought of having a dick up your ass without your consent really that much worse than the concept of being stabbed, shot, beheaded, amputated, etc. all resulting in death? Not trolling here at ALL, just curious as to what everyone's thoughts here are..

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I understand where you're coming from. But then again, as you said, while it is a long painful struggle, rape victims eventually recover. Now with murder, yes the pain is over, but it is directly THE END for that person. Rape victims get a second chance to recover and get to see their family, while murdered victims don't. If you had a child, would you rather he/she be raped or murdered? Obviously neither, but if he/she was raped, you would be grateful of the fact that you at least still have a child and can be there for him/her.

It is clearly not abnormal at all to find rape an uneasy subject, as well as in a movie. But I find it very abnormal to take death scenes of a movie so lightly, yet not with rape. Should be both if anything.

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@Just_Wednesday, Well said.

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I just finished watching this movie, the rape/murder scene in the forest I am not ashamed to say made me cry, and I had to take a few minutes out from the film to gather myself.Interesting thing here is the tears where not for the murder but the rape,I don't think Americans are any more or less strung out than any other nationality about rape scenes in movies.


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Is the thought of having a dick up your ass without your consent really that much worse than the concept of being stabbed, shot, beheaded, amputated, etc. all resulting in death?

For me? Absolutely YES. Rape is like my biggest fear.

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Thank GOD that you are not a rape victim. You will never understand what it's like to be ambushed and be brutally attacked by someone you don't know. Sure some of us are alive, doesn't necessarily mean we don't feel dead. And for your info, a vast majority of the victims never ever recover. We may live our daily lives and smile here and there, but that does not mean we forgot what happened. And there's also many who end up taking their lives because the pain and trauma haunts them.

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I do understand, in fact, I agree with everything you're saying. I'm not at all minimizing the brutalities of rape at all. However, I just can't get it through my mind why so many people find it worse than being painfully murdered. If I was in the same situation that the two girls were in the movie, I wouldn't think about how horrible the feeling is of his johnson sliding in and out of me.. all I'd give a *beep* about is getting out of there alive and not being murdered.
I also don't understand why girls are so hard on themselves after a rape assault, i mean, they were clearly defenseless and had no control over the situation.. how is that they're fault? As for the rape victims that commit suicide over it, I find that to be very weak.

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Okay. A crime is a crime. I get that. And it may seem weak to commit suicide after being a victim of rape, but that brutal crime can lead many of us to a state that we never knew existed. I thank GOD I did not take that route. Did it cross my mind? Yes a few times. I'm guessing those poor souls had no strong support around.

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"I'm not at all minimizing the brutalities of rape at all"

It kind of sounds like you are though. It may not be your intention, but as soon as you imply that murder is worse than rape and then go on to say how rape victims are given a second chance at life (so therefore it's 'not as bad'), you minimise the deeply traumatising impact of rape on a person.

When someone rapes you they excercise their power and control over you and take something from you that is so personal and precious - something that you should only ever give willingly. They take your essence or soul if you like, and treat it as worthless. They make you feel as though you are nothing but their plaything. You cannot imagine the damage that does to a person - who then has to live with that feeling of powerlessness for the rest of their lives.

"I was in the same situation that the two girls were in the movie, I wouldn't think about how horrible the feeling is of his johnson sliding in and out of me.. all I'd give a *beep* about is getting out of there alive and not being murdered."

At the time that it's happening, I'm sure the victim IS thinking about getting the hell out of there. But that's where rape is so insidious - the crime continues to haunt and destroy you long after the event takes place. You will think about it before you go to sleep. You will think about it when you wake up. You will think about it whenever someone so much as brushes their shoulder against yours. And that one event will replay itself over and over in your head until you can't bear it anymore. You are forced to recall it forever more.

"I also don't understand why girls are so hard on themselves after a rape assault, i mean, they were clearly defenseless and had no control over the situation.. how is that they're fault?"

As for women (and men for that matter!) who blame themselves after such an act of brutality, well, I think it's human nature to feel that we should protect ourselves better. We think we should have some control over our lives and the situations we get ourselve into: 'If only I hadn't walked down that dark street alone,' 'If only I hadn't had so much to drink,' 'If only I hadn't accepted a lift from someone I thought I could trust' and on and on.

When we are in a position where we have to give up control, we tend to think we should have known better, done better. Of course it doesn't make sense but you're dealing with emotions and they're not always rational.

"As for the rape victims that commit suicide over it, I find that to be very weak."

I have no words...


You fill me with inertia - George Spiggott

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Well if you put it that way, I guess you could say that I am minimizing it in a literal sense, but at least logically. I moreso meant that I'm not minimizing it in an inflammatory sense by flat out saying that rape is no big deal, because it is. And I am nowhere near denying that there is no traumatizing impact victims go through and they have my sympathy. However, attributing it as far worse than a painful death is a bit of a stretch, my friend. I think we just distort the horrifying uncertainty that comes with death so much to the point where it becomes easier to attribute some things as being worse than it. The same could definitely be said about rape, yes, but not when the big D is in the picture. However, this all just my opinion at the end of the day, so maybe I'm just projecting here. And I am not disagreeing with all those factors about rape impact that you pointed out. My point here isn't that rape isn't horrible, my point is that it's utterly retarded how people will walk out of theater during a rape scene yet have no problem seeing people get fatally hacked, slashed, decapitated, impaled, shot, etc. I just hope those common reactions aren't a foreshadow of how they interpret these things in real life.

"I have no words..."

Yes it is weak because by doing so, they are forfeiting any chance for recovery and sacrificing their life over something that wasn't their fault. Suicide isn't the easy way out, it's the elimination of any possible hope. Recovery is always possible, no matter how hopeless you may feel it is at first, just as long as you're alive and keep moving. A victim may think that's easier said than done, but it's still possible and that's all that matters.

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"However, attributing it as far worse than a painful death is a bit of a stretch, my friend. I think we just distort the horrifying uncertainty that comes with death so much to the point where it becomes easier to attribute some things as being worse than it."

I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're saying. I think you're saying that to say: 'rape is far worse than a painful death' is a stretch.

I don't know that I actually said (or even implied) that 'rape was far worse than a painful death'. I was simply talking about the traumatising effects of rape on its victims.

"...my point is that it's utterly retarded how people will walk out of theater during a rape scene yet have no problem seeing people get fatally hacked, slashed, decapitated, impaled, shot, etc."

Agree completely with you. We have become desensitised to murder scenes in movies. People will happily sit through the most gruesome and vicious killings. I think it's because we have a problem identifying with murder (especially the sensationalised versions we see on the movie screen), it's like we think it could never happen to us. But with rape, that's a little closer to home. Maybe we know someone who was raped or perhaps it's just easier to imagine being the victim of rape. Therefore, rightly or wrongly, we have a stronger reaction to it. Just my theory of course...

"Suicide isn't the easy way out, it's the elimination of any possible hope."

You're saying that from an outsider's point of view. The point of view of someone who was not the victim of the crime and who therefore, has no emotional attachment to it. Suicide may not be the easy way out *for you*, but it may well be for someone who cannot live with what was done to them. For some people hope *has* been eliminated.

"Recovery is always possible..."

Absolutely. Yes recovery *is* possible, but when you're at rock bottom and just cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel, you are incapable of recognising that. I've said it before and I'll say it again: we are dealing with people's emotions and they're not always rational - especially when someone is in deep, deep pain.


You fill me with inertia - George Spiggott

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I don't think it's exclusive to Americans. There's an oft-quoted statistic, which most studies largely support, that 30% of women will be raped by 3% of men. So, ANY, rape scene is directly traumatising for maybe a third of female viewers and an unsavoury reminder of their vulnerability for the remainder. The majority of men don't want to watch it either. It's not tittilating and serves no purpose, in reality or film, beyond the instant gratification of its perpetrator or, occasionally, as a terror tactic. It's a vile crime, whether a graphic depiction or not, that directly or indirectly has negative impacts on both genders. By contrast, most Europeans will never see a gun, much less be a victim of one. Globally, few of us will be victims of knife crime. Most of us can easily suspend disbelief for other acts of violence but rape is a bit too real for many. In real life we seldom get violent retribution against violent criminals so fictional depictions of it are emotionally satisfying. It's not that it's more acceptable than rape so much as less real.

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It's the wrong argument whether rape is worse than, "better than", or the same as murder in REAL LIFE. The question is why is it taken absolutely seriously in MOVIES? I don't want to be raped OR murdered, nor I do want to see anyone in REAL LIFE raped or murdered. But movies simply aren't real life.

In America, supposedly, about 30 percent of women have been sexually assaulted (which doesn't necessarily mean forcibly raped), but the people that give those statistics also report that 15 percent of men have as well. I understand that people who have experienced rape would not want to watch movies about it, but neither would victims of violent crime or people who lost family members to murder want to movies about those things. That's understandable. I'm personally sensitive to animal cruelty since some a**hole hung my cat when I was a kid (I'd like to see that guy anally raped by a molten steel dildo). Animal cruelty is a COMMON plot device in movies, but I don't think anybody is trying to be "titillating" and I know it's NOT real.

What is going too far is when you start talking about other people. I am not "titillated" by realistic rape in movies, and certainly not by real-life rape. But many women and many non-rapist men have rape FANTASIES; that's an entirely different thing. American movies rarely indulge in rape fantasies anyway (the rape in this movie is definitely not treated as a fantasy), but you should definitely NOT confuse rape fantasies with real-life rape any more than you should confuse Roadrunner cartoons with real-life animal cruelty. Also, men may very well be "titillated" by the NUDITY in a cinematic rape scenes, but that is because we know damn well the actress is not REALLY being raped.

As for the 3 percent of men (that seems a little high to me) that are rapists. Well, hopefully they're in jail or they're registered sex offenders. But I don't think I need to watch only movies that are fit for a small minority of sex offenders. People that have been victimized have the CHOICE of not watching certain movies, and registered sex offenders simply shouldn't be allowed to. This is a poor argument for subjecting everyone to censorship.

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I don't think ANYONE in the thread has called for censorship, and certainly not I. The OP asked for opinions on why people (Americans) seem sensitive to rape scenes. I offered one,, no suggestion of censorship.

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I think it's nice we're still concerned about decency and upsetting stuff, not to mention needless graphic violence.

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I for one have never actually been raped, however I have been about as close to being raped as you could get without anything actually happening and I really truly believe that. I was at work one night cleaning a shuttle bus at a limo place and this guy got on the bus. I was in a program that was a work therapy program at that time and he got on the shuttle bus and told me that he had been watching me from the day I got in the program. He also told me that I reminded him of his best friend in prison and that he was wanting to give me a nickname. I didn't think anything of it at the time as I had never had anything like that happen before. After about a minute or less of going back to work though I looked at him and in his eyes I saw something that I never thought was possible to see in anyone's eyes. I saw a wolf showing its fangs with saliva dripping down like it was ready to attack. I wasn't on drugs or drinking or anything either. I tried to go back to work and after about 5 - 10 seconds something got me up and guided me off of that shuttle bus. I didn't get myself off of that bus but something else did. Maybe it was my guardian angel? No idea otherwise. I for one hate seeing rape scenes on tv or in movies because it reminds me ow what very easily could have happened that night. That was back in 1999 and we are now in 2015 and it does still come into my mind even today. I have been through a ton and that does haunt me and did haunt me for a long time really bad and yes I did have thoughts of trying to take my own life and even tried once and that was part of the reason. I also had severe depression and that did play a very good role in the depression along with other things too. I have been in counseling now since 2013 and I am doing a lot better but I do still think about it. I will probably hate seeing rape scenes on tv or movies the rest of my life too. You really do not know what it can or will do to you on the inside unless you go through it or have been very close to having that happen. I seriously doubt that if I had been raped that I would actually be alive now though. That is real.

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I'm sorry, you're saying that some creeper that was staring at you that you thought wanted to rape you but didn't rape you traumatized you that much? I wasn't there, and maybe he truly wanted to rape you and would've had you stayed, but it didn't happen or even almost happen. Did he try to make inappropriate contact? Did he attempt to stop you from getting off the bus? Did he do anything other than stare weirdly at you and say some odd things?

If the answer is no to those questions, then I'm afraid that creepy staring does not count as "almost rape" and certainly shouldn't traumatize you to the point where you still think about it these 16 long years later. Again, I wasn't there, and if there was more he did or attempted to do to you that you didn't include, or if I'm misunderstanding something, please correct me. But if I'm understanding the story you gave, it sounds like you just got stared at by a creeper which would be creepy I'm sure, but not traumatizing. Certainly not to the extent you seemed upset.

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Oh paradouche, what appealed to you in "Siberian"? The infant abuse?

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I was more bothered by Paige getting stabbed to death.

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