How did everyone feel about the way Jules treated the Hispanic employee that helped her garden? I lost some respect for her. She jeopardized someone's income and stability because she felt judged by him. I found that utterly ridiculous.
Well she did feel bad about it later on, but I agree she should have at least hired him back or let him speak. She just kept telling him to leave without letting him explain himself.
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But, he was judging her and learing at her in that "I know what you just did" way. It was none of his business at all.
He was an employee and for all he knew she was dating the owner of the house. I would not have wanted him around either.
As I saw it, he was smiling at her in a gentle, knowing way, not judging and certainly not leering. She dismissed him purely to assuage her own feelings of guilt. It diminished her in my eyes and I was disappointed that she never made amends.
shareYes exactly we are all capable of going off on one in a bad mood moment. But afterward we are also capable of making things right.
shareAt that point I really lost sympathy in Jules. It just wasn't fair, she should have made up for it.
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How could she make up for it? As Nic had no problem pointing out throughout the entire movie, Jules had NO CLIENTS! What, would she hire him back to paint her toenails? She had no other jobs, no other work, and didn't even finish up with Paul's backyard, either.
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I think she projected a lot of that onto him. It wasn't clear at all that that's what he was doing. She overreacted and should have hired him back.
shareOne day's pay !! What a disgrace image if these middle class white folks were fired with only that day's pay and no benefits !!
shareI'm not saying it's right to fire people with only one day's pay, but I don't think it's that unusual, and it certainly isn't based on class or race. I come from a middle class white family, but I'm young, fresh out of college, and working an entry level job, and I know if I get fired, I won't get any benefits or extra pay. I believe most states in the US are at-will employment states, so any person can be fired at any time for any reason (and of course the employee can also quit at any time for any reason), and they definitely won't always be guaranteed unemployment pay or benefits.
But I do agree with the original poster about Jules being a little ridiculous with her treatment of her employee. Of course, she later admitted to feeling bad, but she could have at least tried to make amends.
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am i the only one who didn't dislike jules for firing him? dont get me wrong, i hav nothing against hispanic people and granted, i didn't interpret his stare as judgy but he was clearly having a drug problem, as we see him sniffing throughout the movie. even she sayss at some point that she fired him also because of that problem. so whether jules's reasons for firing him were right or wrong, he wasn't completely innocent, and even should have gotten fired.
Thats all im saying. :)
Seriously, you think he had a drug problem. My mother sniffles constantly while gardening because she has severe allergies, but guess what, she loves to garden. She's so into gardening that she has me track down rare plants for her. I used to have severe allergies when I was younger, I would walk into a flower shop and immediately start sniffling, but I adore gardening. My husband has terrible allergies but yet he still helps me with the heavy weeding and building in the garden. But I guess I should just assume he's using because he sniffles and not that the pollen's getting to him.
Also, she says she fired him for drug use to Nic. Do you really think she should have said "I fired him because I was projecting my guilt over cheating on you." That would have made a whole lot of sense. In addition, did you ever consider that a person with allergies would probably take the job because they needed the money for their family. There is nothing to ever indicate that he has a drug problem, and having the sniffles does not equal drug problems. Drug users have a whole host of other signs to give themselves away beyond something as little as the sniffles.
like i said dont get me wrong i sniff a lot too and im not saying that people who sniff use but may i remind that its a movie and any element present in a movie has to be relevant and has to hint about the character's personality. maybe ur right and they asked the actor who played the hispanic guy to sniff as anyone who might garden do, or perhaps they asked him to because the purpose of his sniffing was to hint he had a drug problem. all i can say is that ive seen thousands of movies and most of the characters who show characteristics of drug addiction as small and unnoticeable as the hispanic guy are later on revealed to have a drug problem.
as for the fact that she says to nic that she fired him for the "drug problem", im sure she wasnt honest and that she only fired him because she was projecting her guilt over cheating on her (and probably didnt care much whether he had a problem or not). im only saying that even if she fired him for the wrong reasons, he shouldve been laid off anyway, which allows me not to feel too bad for him. that is, of course, if he indeed was using. otherwise, what she did was completely unfair for him. i apologize if i offended u. that wasnt my purpose :)
I thought it was pretty crappy of Jules but I understood why she did it. It is common in human nature to project. She mistook his innocent or lighthearted look and injected the judgment and disgust she felt for herself.
She, like Paul and like Jules and like everyone is a flawed human being. That's why I don't get the people who are saying that Paul is the only one that was showed as flawed and judged. I think that we got to see the flaws and weaknesses and strengths in all the characters.
Jesus, guys, it's a damn joke. It wasn't meant to cause some debate over her treatment of her Mexican employee. Just a joke. That's it.
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She, like Paul and like Jules and like everyone is a flawed human being. That's why I don't get the people who are saying that Paul is the only one that was showed as flawed and judged. I think that we got to see the flaws and weaknesses and strengths in all the characters.
I think the unintentional message behind this scene is that hispanic people are expendable and can be dismissed in a trivial way. There is also an earlier scene where Paul mocks the hispanic gardener's accent. There is no other reason for these two incidents to be in the film other than underlying racism. This film is really about white middle class problems. Is it possible to imagine the same scene with a white person being dismissed. No, because it is not comical to deprive them of their livelihood.
shareAt first I thought "typical" and it had nothing to do with race. People overreact when they feel paranoid and guilty HOWEVER there were racial undertones and stereotypes via director's channeling those ideas. The director WANTS you to feel offended or shocked
I was neither.
I was mad that she didn't re-hire him after things were "alright" in the end.
I was mad that she didn't re-hire him after things were "alright" in the end.
True....an apology at least.
It looked very racial, but personally I would of been snickering at her acting like a trampy whore too lol
Yeah, that was an incredibly b^tchy thing to do. Especially since she did it mostly so he wouldn't be able to let it slip that she was cheating on her wife, which I honestly don't think the gardener knew about.
shareI think this film was written by lesbian witches, the entire thing was horrific to watch. The way they ALL treated the hispanic employee was disgusting. They were obviously racist and/or judgmental.
shareWhat I've started to wonder is if the gardener would have any legal recourse in real life. Jules fired him for what is basically a frivolous reason i.e. how he looked at her. Even if he did look at her in a certain way or even if he had proof that she was screwing Paul, these have nothing to do with the job itself. Then to add insult to injury, she accused him of having a drug problem.
California is an at-will state so yes she could fire him for any reason she wanted, but could she also face charges and have to pay him for wages he would have received if he had completed the project?