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this was superb

posted 14 years ago by cthulhulurks
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I especially liked the scene where Gray's shot. Despite that he shot so many people, his death is also shown as tragic. It's chilling to see how special unit restrain him and leave him to die in agony while taking a smoke trying to relax a bit after the work has been done.

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[–] moviebuff888 14 years ago

No disrespect to the ones who were killed by this idiot, but this movie sucks chestnuts. It's not even a movie, just a homage, a pathetic memorial to the families of those who died. On the film scale of 10, it can not possibly be given anything more than a 1.

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[–] cthulhulurks 14 years ago

You're entitled to an opinion.

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[–] prometheus1816 14 years ago

No disrespect to the ones who were killed by this idiot, but this movie sucks chestnuts. It's not even a movie, just a homage, a pathetic memorial to the families of those who died. On the film scale of 10, it can not possibly be given anything more than a 1.

What, you'd have preferred a more Americanized version of seeing all the victims shot? Seems the only way that one can tell a story is by gratuitous violence and making the killer some kind of romantic hero for 'doing what needed to get done'. Seems New Zealand knows how to properly depict killers of this kind...by showing what they did and making them exactly what they were, killers with no conscience and the victims as who they were, victims of a madman who shouldn't have had access to guns. Am I to suspect that if Arnold Schwarzenegger had played him, it would have been a 'rockin' movie to you?

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] prometheus1816 14 years ago

Grey's death wasn't tragic, it was justifiable. Sometimes it's more humane to just let people like this die. And what the special unit did by just letting him die was apropos. Though the only thing that bothered me about Gray's actions is that he was mentally disturbed. But that highlights the issue of whether to allow those with mental issues unfettered access to automatic or even any other kind of weapon. What I'd like to know is, why does it take these kinds of incidents to wake people up to the dangers of gun violence? Why is it particularly in the United States, the NRA and all second amendment knee-jerkers always cry out for their rights and the right to possess these types of destructive weapons when the only ones who truly need to use these kinds of weapons are the armed forces and law enforcement officers. Gray like all the ohter whacknuts before him and since do not need access to weapons, they need access to mental health care and good monitoring of their symptoms.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] cthulhulurks 14 years ago

The last thing I want to do is to discuss American and other gun policies. I'll just point out that tragic and justifiable aren't contradictory characteristics. You probably should also remember this was a work of fiction, not a documentary and facts may differ from the fictionalised account you're familiar with.

One way to avoid this kind of incidents (which are more of an exception than rule anyway) is community work. None of the countries need more unnecessary government discretionary power in relation to determining individual citizens' mental state. What has to be done is to involve people locally on the community level so that no alienated individuals' mental health could deteriorate unnoticed. The old Christian adage has much more to it than just a religious function - be thoughtful of your neighbour. If people cared more about that guy Gray they would have helped him and avoided unnecessary deaths including the death of the perpetrator himself.

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[–] prometheus1816 14 years ago

The last thing I want to do is to discuss American and other gun policies. I'll just point out that tragic and justifiable aren't contradictory characteristics. You probably should also remember this was a work of fiction, not a documentary and facts may differ from the fictionalised account you're familiar with.

No, the gun policies of any country is at issue here. And so far as I know, this film was an exact depiction of the events of what happened. Nick Harvey actually walked Karl Urban through the events and what he was thinking and feeling during his time involved in this event. Many of the officers who were involved in the events also took part in this film. The film was a direct adaptation of a book written on the issue, so I'd pretty much say it's a pretty authentic telling of what happened those two days. This wasn't Greengrass's "Flight 93".

One way to avoid this kind of incidents (which are more of an exception than rule anyway) is community work. None of the countries need more unnecessary government discretionary power in relation to determining individual citizens' mental state. What has to be done is to involve people locally on the community level so that no alienated individuals' mental health could deteriorate unnoticed. The old Christian adage has much more to it than just a religious function - be thoughtful of your neighbour. If people cared more about that guy Gray they would have helped him and avoided unnecessary deaths including the death of the perpetrator himself.

Pretty simplistic view on these types of individuals. Community involvment isn't the answer. You can no more solve these issues with 'community involvement' than you can by telling these people "No." Schitzophrenia by nature is alienating. And like chemical castration, it cannot be done under 'community involvement'. The only way to 'solve' these kinds of issues is to make persons applying for or attempting to by a gun or assault rifle is to force them to undergo a forced mental examination. Gray and his ilk are unfortunately not going to be 'helped' by the 'old Christian adage'. You cannot help these kinds of people period. The only way to keep society saved from them is to institutionalize them. Gray would never have been helped by anything other than housing him in some facility that could take care of him, or by the means in which he was taken out. One can be thoughtful of ones neighbour, but when that neighbour is not taking medication to help them with a mental condition, there is more at risk with that neighbour stockpiling weapons they should never be able to have legally due to a mental condition.

I'll state once and for all, no individual citizen on the face of this earth should have to have an automatic weapon, nor even the ability to know how to use it. And I'm even talking normal citizens without disability or mental deficit. This man and others like him like Patrick Sherrill, Kip Kinkel, Dylan Kleibold and Eric Harris are disenfranchised for a reason and they don't care to be a part of that 'community'. And there were precursors to all of their behaviours. Yet no one noted them until AFTER they blew and others were harmed, maimed and killed. You cannot pigeon-hole every situation, but at least the general public should be protected from people like them.

As far as people caring more for Gray...I think that's debatable. Most of the time these people want to be alone. Gray shot the first guy and those children for no other reason than he had the firepower to do it...then went to the level of setting that house on fire and burned those two little girls. There were three other children killed by Gray and he shot a police sergeant at point blank range. Sorry, my level of of compassion goes only so far as to feel for those victims. Gray was a lost cause therefore he got what he sewed. I'm through with hand-holding these types, and I'm through with trying to understand these types. They either need to be institutionalized or something else...and the public need to be protected from them.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] ommik 10 years ago

I think the movie was quite okay, but I wouldn't call it superb. But yeah, especially the cinematography was good.

Also the atmosphere before the shootings was intense, but somehow after the shootings started everything turned in to too much of an action movie for me and somehow the suspense was lost.. I would've liked some more "descend into madness" type of stuff, or to see the aftermath how the people coped with the events. I think the actual shooting/chase bit could've been shorter.

Anyway, this movies was more or less enjoyable :)

[–] SamoanJoes 8 years ago

I think if this was an American film, it would have made its way to Sundance or a similar festival and gained some recognition. Truly a lesser known film which deserves to be more known.