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What idiot thought it would be good to replace Peter Sellers?


What idiot thought it would be good to replace Peter Sellers?

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well, Blake Edwards has done it a couple off times...

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Actually, even Edwards had the good sense not to replace Sellers. In Trail he used Sellers himself via stock footage. He did, yes, "replace" him in Curse in a couple of scenes, particularly one memorable scene with Roger Moore playing Closeau after a plastic surgery. However, after Sellers' death, and once Trail was out of the way, Closeau was never a central character again. He had a bit part in Curse, and was totally absent in Son.

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So whats worst - Replacing the actor? Or make a movie around a new character?

Well, Im gonna try again. What about Alan Arkin in "Inspector Clouseau" ?

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Well, if you try hard enough, perhaps you may be able to come up with an interesting different character. It will be very difficult to make people forget about the original one, though, so it's always better to replace the original or abandon the idea altogether.

Alan Arkin as Closeau is a good example of a bad decision. Edwards wasn't involved, though. And the replacement idea was even worse because Sellers was alive and well at that time!

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I think with a different actor, it could have been quite good.

Also they changed the character to make Clouseau more arrogant and obnoxious, which isn't how Peter Sellers played it all. Clouseau was an idiot but he wasn't arrogant, he was actually kind of noble, in his way. Steve Martin plays him as a pushy, obnoxious jerk and it's impossible to root for him. I much prefer Peter Sellers' version. Clouseau was a moron but you liked him. I don't know how anyone could like Steve Martin's version. The character has no pathos, no depth. It's like they took everything out but the clumsiness and thought that's all they need.

However, as I said, I feel that a better actor and a different direction could have made it work. For example, it would have been a far better idea to cast Kevin Kline as Clouseau than as his nememsis in part 1. Mr. Kline is a comic genius (of sorts) and he's capable of subtlety that Mr. Martin couldn't dream of, either now, or back when he actually was funny.

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I still think what it could have been had Kevin Spacey taken the role. He was one of the original candidates, although he declined the part. He is not only a great actor, but can also be funny (he acted in a couple of comedies, as far as i recall).

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Spacey was considered? Wonder who else was.

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The list was ever growing, and could have made Rambo shudder in fright. Mike Myers was a candidate, and even Chris Tucker (I believe). And Jackie Chan for Kato. Seems that a lot of comedians doing good at the time were automatically considered. But Spacey was the exception in that he was more of an actor than just a comedian, just like Sellers.

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I totally agree. They shouldn't have replaced Sellers. They should have dug up his corpse and made it move while filming it while someone did a voice over.

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AMAZING!

Martin is a vastly superior Clousseau to Sellers!

Just watch the movies without bowing to nostalgia and you'll appreciate that fact! Of Seller's Panther movies, half were very nearly unwatchable. The others were funny, yes, but seriously not as good as the current ones.

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I seriously doubt you ever watched the Original pink panther movies.

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In the old movies, even though Closeau was cartoonish, he was played seriously enough by Sellers to be considered, more or less, a "real" person. Sellers, and the script, allowed the character spots throughout the movie where he could be seen as a more or less normal person, or where at least his stupidity was subtler.

Take, for instance, Closeau's first appearence in Return of the PP: he is doing patrol duty, peacefully walking along the street, waving his nightstick. It's only when he tries to look cool and salute a pretty girl that he -lightly- smacks his own eye with the nightstick. That's subtle, funny, and shows Closeau as a clumsy moron, but at the same time keeps the idea that he can be a real person. Of course, the series had it's over the top moments (especially regarding bombings), but there weren't a lot of them.

With Martin, Closeau IS a cartoon, and it seems there is nothing he can do without coming to catasthropic consequences. Everything is overdone and over the top. Example: Sellers' Closeau had Kato attack him in his apartment. Those were outrageous fights, ridiculous, but at the same time, they took place INSIDE Closeau's residence, much to the chagrin of his neighbors. Martin tries to have Closeau "tested" all the time, in the middle of the street, at any time, and even by Ponton's kids. Everything Closeau does has tremendous consequences. In the first PP, the earth globe not only gets away, it also causes a lot of mayhem in the street. A Viagra pill becomes an incendiary bomb. A mouse click can shut down the power in all Paris. There is no proportion between Closeau's actions, and its results.

Another indicator of how dumb is Martin's take on the character is visible even through Closeau's clothes. As far as I've seen, Martin's Closeau is always dressed with the same greenish suit, and stripped, mismatched (with the suit) socks. However, in the original movies, and aside from his trademark raincoat and hat, Closeau dressed in a variety of suits and clothes like any other real person (in Return, he even lost the raincoat completely two thirds into the movie). That Martin regards so essential this "visual identification" through all the movie is a clear indicator of how poor his characterization is.

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I'm a great fan of the Pink Panther films but even I must admit towards the end of their original run the formula was becoming tired. The Revenge of the Pink Panther (Sellers Last proper Panther film) was quite bad, and as we know, both Sellers and Edwards were making the films purely for easy money, as since quiting the role of Clouseau after A Shot in the Dark Sellers made loads of bad films and had no choice but to make more Panther Films with a director he didn't like.

Sellers and especially Edwards after Seller's death really milked the series for all that it was worth, with three relaunches Trail/ Curse/ Son of the Pink Panther which were no patch on the originals. The later Panther films became dependant on costume gags, which weren't that funny. The best films were maybe the first 4 including the film 'Inspector Clouseau' where he is played by Alan Arkin, who does a great job.

The Martin films are no patch on the original, but they are definately refeshing to watch after the previous attempts to continue the series as it creates a whole new world. He plays Clouseau really well in his own way, like Arkin did in the third film of the franchise.

People argue that Steve MArtin is after easy money, but isn't that what Sellers and Edwards did. People also argue that the new films are unrealistic, but who can remember Dreyfuss been desroyed by that lazer in The Pink Panther Strikes again.

People have forgotten that the originals maybe weren't as good and as we may have rembered , the new films are different, but refreshing, Sellers was a talented actor, but the sad fact is that he has only starred in 6 films of the series (Including Trail) out of 11, and one of those films was made of deleted scenes, so it is clear that the franchise has somehow survived without him and I'm sure it'l continue too!

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What about the plane scene in "Life and death of Peter Sellers", Geoffrey rush did a 1 on 1 copy, but it was great.

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To OP. The same idiots that always want the same. Money. Heck, most under 20 year old don't even know there are classic Pink Panther movies with Peter Sellers. So why not revive the character to the ignorant generation which shouldn't be ignorant when they have internet to find info on? Money.

How many hundreds of remakes have been done these last 5-6 years??

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You know I can't stand people who call my generation "the iggnorant generation" because today's generation is exactly the same as any other generation on the inside.

I mean if Indiana Jones was a remake I doubt any of you would have gone looking for the original.

Every generation has its ups and its downs in my case the ups are being in a much more developed world with things like the internet and space travel (in progress), the downs being that the world is to P.C and safe.

But on the inside we are all just growing up, ALL children are iggnorant until some stage get over it.

The film is made for kids so go let kids watch it.

The originals were made for both kids and adults so enjoy them and then lie them down to rest.

Peter Sellers isn't turning over in his grave because of Steve Martin.

Peter Sellers is turning over in his grave because of peope like you who won't just let Steve Martin slowly kill it and leave it in peace.


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Sorry, I'm not the type to throw back spelling mistakes, but honestly, the fact that you are writing a post complaining about people who talk about the "ignorant masses" who watch these kind of movies, but at the same time misspell the word "ignorant" itself, as "iggnorant" (and twice) destroys any kind of credibility from your part. If it was supposed to be "sarcasm", let me say it's not noticeable at all.

On the other hand, your point is quite unclear. On one hand, you are against complaints regarding remakes. On the other, you ask people to "let Steve Martin slowly kill it and leave it in peace", acknowledging precisely what all the complains are about. You also admit that this version, unlike the originals, is "made for kids", admitting yourself that they have been dumbed down, and not because kids are dumb, but because their sense of humor is, obviously, much simpler.

And that's exactly the point: if you are doing a dumbed down version of Closeau, THEN DON'T DO IT AS CLOSEAU. Do a similar character, and leave the Pink Panther legacy alone, at least until someone willing to respect the source material comes along. Do you know what the original producers did when they wanted to release a Pink Panther product aimed to children? The produced CARTOONS of the Pink Panther and Closeau himself. That was the perfect way to leave the movies for a more mature audience, and the cartoons for little kids.

Also, Indiana Jones is not only a remake, but is well regarded (generally) because it's well done. Your example doesn't work at all, because it doesn't matter if the original material is recent or not. Psycho's remake was crap, everyone thought so, and the original is waaaaaay older. As with any movie, a remake has to be good to be regarded as a good film. In addition to that, it has to suffer inevitable comparisons to the source material. Martin's PP are lazy "efforts" which are not very good on their own, and they also destroy the chance to do a proper follow-up of the original series. And he is makind a bunch of money from this. Why should we tolerate that in silence?

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