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One of the best films I've seen in months. Really. So beautiful and interesting.

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wow u are so wrong! its crap! utter drivel!

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On the contrary. You are wrong. One of the very best of '08!

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whoops looks like u are wrong too! it was uber crap! LOL

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This is a beautiful, delicate and subtle film. Definitely among the best of 2008.

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nah. its utter pretentious drivel. definitely among the worst of ever

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What about this film is pretentious?

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it has absolutely no direction at all and no intention what so ever to indicate to the viewer that this is why he's here to watch the film. just like a painting where an expert pours over it and gushes about how amazing it is and then discovers after his hour long critical analysis that it's actually a painting done by an elephant, this film is set forth in such a similar way to ridicule and humiliate the viewer who describes in abstract terms about how appreciative the film literature is but eventually realizes that it is basically utter drivel.

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This film was beautifully shot and acted but it was also the flattest and dullest film I've seen in years. The concept was very interesting but
the filmmaker deliberately excluded any form of excitement or tension in an attempt to be subtle and sophisticated.
The dialogue was very natural but also very dull and pointless, the characters were dull and boring and the concept was only half explored due to the filmmakers pretentious attempt at subtlety.
If this film wasn't in French and didn't revolve around art and wine I'm sure all the critis wouldn't have the same stuck-up opinion. The fact is that this is a very fashionable film and not much more.
In my opinion it's pretentious rubbish!

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Shalomp and mrmgool:

I'd say there's actually a lot to indicate to the viewer why they are here to watch the film. The opening shot sets it up perfectly: a clash of cultures, and of the past and the present as a house emerges from an area of natural overgrowth. The children running around reinforce the point. The plot goes straight to the point: Hélène is old and dying, and she wants to give away the house, but the family doesn't have time for it. This is the focus of the film for its entire length, so I think it is indicated to the viewer why they are here to watch the film pretty damn quickly.

The plot doesn't have high action or extreme tension, which it sounds like you are looking for, but it is not meant to. It does have conflict and tension, in fact it is driven by the question of what will happen to the house and the history preserved within. The metaphor of the film is obvious: it's about history and culture being eroded by the flow of modern life. It's about the destruction of family ties, and of the memories and traditions of the past slipping away and dying a quiet death.

Then again, you probably think metaphors are pretentious.

As for interesting characters, I thought Frédéric, someone fixated on economics, the force driving the modern world, yet who wanted to preserve the culture of the past, was pretty fascinating. As oldest sibling, he tries to be a responsible patriarchal figure, and hides his deep connection with the family and with the past from the others. Meanwhile, he faces crises in his own life. Maybe he thinks that this connection with the past is something keeping the balance in the life of himself and his family? It's also deliberate, I think, that an economist is the character who wants to keep the house, but considers it too expensive in the current climate to uphold old traditions. There are multiple levels to his character. I can understand if he doesn't interest you, but for you guys to say it's all dull and there's no interesting characters at all I have to ask: what are you looking for in a film?

To mrmgol's claim that liking this is a 'stuck-up' opinion and we only like the film because it revolves around art and wine...Well, firstly it doesn't revolve around wine at all, which makes me question whether you were paying attention or zoned. Too bored maybe? If you don't know what the film is about I question whether you can really tell to what extent the film explored it's concept (of art and heritage, for the record, but not wine). Secondly, I don't like the film because it's French, I like it because I find it to be a fine film. One of the things I hate is when someone claims that you must only like something because of some extraneous reason, as opposed to having actually enjoyed the film. It's as if the person speaking can't conceive of there being people out there holding different opinions to themselves. It can't be that they just reacted differently to a piece of art, it must be because they picked up on some other reason to like it and justified to themselves that they liked it for personal gain or something.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic. This film is not good because it's French (I can't comment on whether this makes it 'fashionable'), this film is French because it is made by French people and revolves around very French concerns. The issue of the disintegration of French culture due to modernisation is extremely important to that country right now. This film is a reaction to this framed in very relevant terms to this French cultural concern: the history of fine art that runs in that country, the strong museum culture in France and Paris especially, the coexistence of the past and present in Paris and that city's clash with much of the rest of the country, the way that globalisation is affecting culture and family, which also illustrates how the rest of the world turns to France and French people to capitalise on its cultural and artistic traditions. Essentially, the clash of the contemporary with a cultural history which is still uniquely near the surface in France, yet which is dying off.
This film is in many ways uniquely French. Once again, that's part of why I like it, but not a reason for which I chose to enjoy it. Enjoyment goes deeper than something that superficial, and is down to its worth as a piece of cinema. Though the films would be very different as a result of dealing with similar, yet subtly different concerns, I think this concept is interesting enough that, provided that the right people worked on it and were invested in the subject, a good film could be made about this theme in Spain, or in Japan, or in Norway.

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wow this post is so long i didn't even get past the first 5 lines...just like the film.

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That explains your criticisms then, I guess.

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wow u are right! i guess i should just go back to films that star vin diesel in it rather than watch a pretentious film about random nothings. u are a very smart person! i guess that is why u took so many days to draft out your super long reply that never seized my attention right from the start.

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Totally agree. It was a splendid film to watch. Unlike Hollywood films where the plot is in-your-face and blindingly obviously - this was a film of subtle layers - the range of emotions the film made me experience were incredible. What a lovely change from the banal linear-plot films I'm normally used to. Cheers

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Projectedlight, you make some good points and It is obvious that you enjoyed the film for what it was, but I think it is a bit naive to say the film isn't fashionable amongst critics.

My comments about wine were more aimed at the art/wine culture this film portrays i.e. people sitting around drinking wine and talking about art.

I agree that the concept of the film is very interesting, but I don't think the film explored them properly. It merely presented the ideas on a very shallow level. I previously used the word subtle, but I think the attempt at subtlety resulted in simplicity.

The only form of tension in this film was Frédéric quietly and peacefully disagreeing with the idea of selling the house. It was bland every day stuff.
I wasn't expecting high action or extreme tension, I was only expecting intrigue, of which this film had none. Instead we were given endless drawn out scenes of dull, expositional dialogue. It was as if anything more exciting would have tarnished the sophistication of the film. That is what I found pretentious.

The issue of the disintegration of French culture that you brought up is very interesting, but the film didn't explore the idea on any of the specific levels you mentioned.

This film would've worked much better as a short.

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mrmgool:

it was extremely bland everyday stuff. much like watching paint dry on a wall. it was highly pretentious almost to a shallow level that never explored the art world properly and if the director was attempting to make this film based on its dialogue, then he/she has failed miserably. a film like Doubt or glengarry glen ross which has dialogue that can extend for great lengths much like a real conversation between two is hardly boring on its own and when compared to a film like L'heure d'été.

this film is highly pretentious, drawn out, bland, unexceptional and most importantly unspecific. that is just it.

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mrmgool: I disagree that the film doesn't explore the issue of the disintegration of French culture. It doesn't directly delve into this concept, but I think it is explored from the beginning of the film: the family is falling apart (crucially because they are being sought out by foreign companies...globalisation rears its head), people either don't have time for or interest in the objects of art or can't afford to keep them, and so they end up in museums where they are calmly swept away to be observed by tour groups with no real interest in them rather than being an active part of living culture, ect...

I guess not everyone enjoys the same things in film. I don't think it's pretentious to make a film out of everyday events and people. I also don't think a film is unsophisticated if it goes for more fantastical elements. I love plenty of popcorn movies too. But I liked the relaxed pace and the room for reflection in this film.

In the end, if you didn't enjoy the film or find it interesting, then you didn't enjoy the film or find it interesting. Your thoughts are as valid as mine, nothing can appeal to everyone.

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what a bland, vapid and downright boring film trying vainly to stir your emotions but falling flat as a pancake. I want my money back for such rampant misrepresentation. If you want to have a nap away from your own bed then see this.

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i'm sorry u won't be able to get your lost money and time back. next time, try downloading first...

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Shalomp, get stuffed.

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arturobandini,

wow u sure are petulant aren't you? stop living in your mother's basement and grow up!

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The one part I didn't understand was the parents allowing their daughter, recently arrested for shoplifting, etc., to invite what seemed like roughly 50 kids to party at the old house, soon to be owned by someone else, unsupervised. That fit with the theme of generational reactions, and provided a nice bittersweet ending, but it threw me out of the picture because it seemed unbelievable. I didn't understand the parents' levity in the museum restaurant when they laughed at Frédéric's joke that he hoped the kids would behave. Perhaps I've missed something and will catch it on a subsequent viewing.

Yes, my point exactly!! I felt the same as you did. It was unrealistic or simply stupid. Actually, I expected to see the house going up in flames and was then a bit surprised when nothing happened. Or did we just not see that ending, because the film ended before that?

Apart of that I really enjoyed this picture, for similar reasons that you have described. Just to soak in the impressions, the colours, the beautiful landscape and the summer athmosphere.

The contrast betwee the rich art collection and the literally crumbling house. Expensive museum-bound paintings are hanging on walls whose paint is actually crumbling off, and in one case the colours in a painting have been running liquid over the screen, because the room was so moist! That was an interesting point, and when I saw that, I wondered whether the director meant that point to be made, or whether it was just me.

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I started reading this thread because I wanted to see what was so 'great!' about this movie. Having just finished watching it, I wasn't really sure what the point was, but I figured that there had to be one. Thanks to the posters who put some thought and effort into writing their posts - especially ProjectedLight. I would definitely watch this movie again with your comments in mind.

I was very interested to learn about the Musee D'Orsee (sp?) having commissioned this movie. That fact alone gave clarity to the movie for me, about a country losing its culture and traditions - what an appropriate commission for a museum. That fact alone gives the movie context for me.

I can’t believe that a thread with such an childish beginning ended up being so engaging and enlightening!

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I agree. It was a gorgeous-looking, beautifully written and executed. And the ensemble was terrific.

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I think Summer Hours is one of of the most beautiful and richest films I've seen in eons. It is so sagacious and humane and profound as it subtly contemplates some of the essential issues of human existence, most especially the passage of time, memory, mortality and loss, and the role of art in our lives. The characters are so real and so marvelously delineated, without being given the kinds of artificial quirks that you'd find in a typical American film.

Assayas is a great director, one who understands human nature and treats his characters with affection and understanding while appreciating their foibles -- he's in the glorious tradition of Jean Renoir, Leo McCarey and George Cukor.

I'm sorry that you weren't able to appreciate a magnificent work, Shalomp., Clearly a film that doesn't loudly announce its themes -- "no intention what so ever to indicate to the viewer that this is why he's here to watch the film” indeed, sheesh -- is beyond your grasp, and I feel bad for you because of that and because of your snarky attitude to those people who treasure this masterpiece.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I hope that I don't get chewed out for expressing mine here: I thought this movie was utterly dull.

The story wasn't all that interesting; it dealt with mundane, everyday occurrences and issues in a very ordinary way. I understand that to some people that that's very poetic and moving but I expect more from my movies. I'm not saying that all movies need to have high speed chases but I want to be moved by the plot or acting.

The only semi-interesting parts of the movie were:
1) when the siblings were deciding on whether to keep the house or not and I found that the movie just glossed over the entire scene.
2) the subtle hint that their mother and her uncle (their great-uncle) might of had an incestuous affair. In a good movie that would've turned that into a dramatic, controversial dive into the mother's past but movie: nada.

When I left the theatre, I found myself unable to remember any scene with any emotional investment. Even the death of Helene was so...nothing. I felt no emotional reaction from the fact that she died, even when Frederic pulled over and cried.

To me, it was just bland.

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Those are all very interesting points; especially about the plot being fed to us. I agree with that but at the same time I don't see anything wrong with that.

I can see how some people with the aesthetic eye and that certain kind of mindset would enjoy this movie but, as you said, it wasn't my cup of tea.

For me, when I go to see a movie in the theatre, I expect to be drawn in and taken away from my norm; it's escapism (even if it's only for two hours). I went into this movie not really knowing what to expect and was left wanting. I can appreciate that this movie has some very beautiful elements within it but overall it just didn't do anything for me.

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Beautiful movie. Incomprehensible to some, it seems.

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Loved this film. It was thought-provoking, well-written and -acted, gorgeous production values and had me hooked from beginning to end. And I watched it the day after seeing Avatar!

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I loved it too. Agree that it's Chekhovian: the characters are family members who share an attachment to a place, a home. Some want to stay & have things remain the same, while others want to leave & never see the place again.

Why the party at the end? Perhaps to show ambiguity: The son felt that since he can't keep it, then to hell with it, let the kids wreck it. Then ironically, the granddaughter who seemed unattached to the house & her grandmere, winds up mourning her loss of both.

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