Black's father?

Hmmm... that's certainly a very interesting theory you came up with, and it would make one hell of a plot twist if it was true, but I'll have to disagree with you on that.

Now, I'm not very good with ages, but I think Kimura is in his twenties/early thirties? And black is an adolescent (proabably around 12-14.) So unless if Kimura must have been in his teens when he impregnated some random woman, I personally find theory this to be very unlikely. However it could be a very possible assumption if you take his action of accidentally impregnating his girlfriend as a hint towards that.

Anyways, here are some of my theories/replies based on your assumptions...


"When they first meet in the movie there is a long meaningful look between the two of them as if they are taken aback by each other (not merely because he is wary of Black?)"

Well, I always thought that Kimura's look was a look a worryment and fear in that particular scene. After all, his boss told him that it was best to stay away from the kid as it's hinted that he had probably attacked and killed some of Rat's henchmen in the past. As for Black, his look was much more threatening and solemn, as if it was trying to say: "I'm going to KILL you if you threaten Choco and his pals," or "I'll KILL YOU if you ever try to take over MY city."

"Also Kimura seems to want to protect Black from the 'aliens' and also talks about that he knows how Black thinks - "such insight" as Herr Snake mentions; Kimura is quick to mention his old boss instead but again the implication is that there is a connection and also that Snake can somehow sense this."

True, but don't forget that he was trying to kill the kid some twenty minutes earlier in the film. Remember that scene were Black breaks into the office to "help out" Choco? They certainly had no hesitations for beating eachother up; I'm pretty sure Kimura would've stabbed Black to death with that dagger of his if Black had never thrown that vodka bottle at his face...
If anything, I think Kimura wanted to protect Black because he gained a sense respect for him due to their conflict in that particular scene. In other words, Black helped straighten Kimura out of his cocky, dillusional senses and humbled him; he made him realize that being just being a Yakuza doesn't always grant you immediate power and wealth in Treasure Town; you have to work for it and respect the town's residents as you do so. Rat too, realized this, that's why he warned Kimura about Black, it goes with his saying that "Black is a tough cat. If you pet him in the wrong way, he'll bite back."
So, unlike Kimura, the Rat realized that he had to show some respect for the boy's own cocky machismo beliefs in order to form an alliance with him. If you notice throughout the film, Black never attacks Rat, probably because Rat has learned to respect Black. They might have even been buddies, for all we know. After all, the two have a one-on-one talk with eachother in one particular scene, and even Black seemed very saddened after viewing Rat's death.
Err, as for the Snake being able to sense that implication, I think it had to deal with his fear of Kimura (his assistant) betraying him in favor of his old boss's beliefs, as Black's beliefs do indeed paralell Rat's beliefs to some extent (Both think that they "own" Treasure Town and are fighting external influences in order to preserve it's old ways.)

"In the minotaur mind scene Black witnesses Kimura killed - was this part of his turning point, his revenge is over? His fury at adults because he was abandoned by adults (his mother and father), did Black put Kimura to death or is merely a rival gang killing we are witnessing?"

Kimura was killed? Interesting, I never noticed that... I'll have to check that out... But anyway, I'll have to go with your second guess - it's just some random rival gang killing. I think that that entire scene was not only discussing Black's sins and inner anger, but also the evil that was happening around the world in everyday life.


However, I'm not totally trying to deny your theory (and I'm sorry if it came off in that way,) as I do concur with some of the assumptions that you've made.

In other words, I do agree with your observation on the physical similarities between Black and Kimura (they DO look pretty similar; they have the same skin and hair color, etc.) and the likelihood of them meeting eachother for the first time and Black being the consequence of sex with a random woman seems very possible.

Another thing thing to go along with your theory that I've noticed is that Black looks VERY similar to Kimura's son in the ocean dream sequences. In the one scene were Kimura is shot down by Snake's assassins, you can see his "son" running up to him and his girlfriend in the beach dream sequence, and before he dies and he's wearing these yellow swim trunks with stripes. And if I'm not mistaken, Black is wearing the EXACT SAME THING during his own beach dream sequence; the "imaginary" son even has his exact same skin and hair color! So that could be a HUGE hint that Black could very well be Kimura's son; the two just never found out about it.

But one of the reasons this film is so great is because it leaves a TON of speculation for the viewer to figure to figure out... so each man to his own, I guess... LOL, I'm sorry that my reply was a text mountain.

I thought the theory was kinda ridiculous until I compared their faces. Now that I see them side-by-side, it's definitely plausible. And the dream sequences only support this claim. Ah well, I guess only Michael Arias and the original manga artist know for sure.

he ain't his father, man. even if he was the film would've told us.

Kimura was killed by Mr. Snake's henchman. The two guys on the motorcycle are the same two guys that accompanied Mr. Snake to the meeting with the Boss and Rat where the Boss unveiled his plan to construct an amusement park in the third district. I just thought I would point that out.

Suzuki is his father. They are exactly alike. Suzuki is just has more experience.