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BOO, Who knew Grace was such a baby

posted 14 years ago by KekeAW
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For a character that started out so strong, she sure is weak now. Is that their message, believe in the Lord and you shall become weak and canceled? Because that is how she is now. The old Grace would have called for help and arrested the mother for child neglect. That is the Grace that I liked, not this weepy look alike. If this is the direction they were going to take regardless then I am glad "Saving Grace" is gone. I'm not sure I want to invest 2 hours in the final 2 hour episode. She is coming off as a weak and incompetent officer, a woman who needs help getting to bed, she should eat her gun. What we all liked about her was that she didn't need help. That she was able to do more then most men. Now, well, there isn't anything to like. I wish they had ended this better, Holly Hunter has done a fantastic job and she deserves better then this. It would not surprise me if she hates the ending just as much as we do.

[–] bigpoppa206 14 years ago

Wow, you totally did not get that episode!

[–] kchnw 14 years ago

I agree, there's more here than weakness, but I hope we don't play too much by the book. That would just not be true to the series.

And Grace Hannadarko would not arrest the mother for child neglect. She'd turn herself in for vehicular manslaughter.

[–] goodfellasgirl 14 years ago

How the *beep* do you arrest someone for child neglect for letting her kid play in her own yard?

[–] JudeDeveraux 14 years ago

Wow. Were you ever a kid? Did your Mother watch you every second? Did they ever arrest her for child neglect when you fell down & got a boo-boo?

What an asinine post!

Grace is still the strongest woman ever. You accidently run over a child & see if you get upset & act like a complete mess.

I can't believe that next week is it! They are going to wrap everything up in a 2 hour finale? Get your tissues ready.

[–] KekeAW 14 years ago

We are not talking about what I would do or what my mom would do, and it isn't a boo boo. The child was never taught to not run in the street and that is the parents fault and in the end of the last episode the mother admitted it to Grace. The guy who witnessed the accident said the same thing in the bar, that the child ran out without looking.

What we ARE talking about is the Grace that the show created, a strong woman who did not need anyones help. She dealt with her issues in her own way, like putting a gun in the mouth of the priest who molested her as a child. Is that right or wrong? I would not handle it that way, but that is why it was such a good show. The Grace we are seeing now is a big baby. I watched this show every week to see what crazy thing she would do next, things that I would love to do but would never dare to. Earl has her all screwed up, crying and screaming in the closet is NOT the Grace I like. If they were staying on air they would have her kicking butt and resisting Earl and his infamous wings but they have to wrap it up so they have Grace all human on us, to much human if you ask me.

A friend of mine killed someone in exactly the same way, a woman walked out from between two parked cars and into the street without looking. She took 2 days off to deal with the police and that was that. No charges were filed because the woman's parents evidently didn't teach her not to walk out into the street without looking.

You said to get your tissues ready and that proves my point, did you ever need tissues in the previous episodes? No! Thats because this is a totally different Grace. I want a strong Grace not a weepy one. I want the Grace that kicked butt not kissing butt. We see shows where the men kick a$$ and those shows are still around. Someone at the network is being pressured, they don't want strong women recognized, probably to afraid that their wives will come out of the kitchen.

If you like this Grace I would say that you like typical chick flicks more then an action type movie. Maybe Harlequin books where the woman needs help to get dressed or murder mysteries where people are gruesomely murdered. I prefer strong women who take charge over a woman who needs help to screw in a light bulb.

I love this country just for this reason, the right to choose what we watch, the right to defend that choice and the right to talk publicly about it. We shall have to agree to disagree on this one.

Wake me up when Grace comes back.

[–] jesusbwep_07 14 years ago

Okay, let's just have Grace be this insensitive b*tch that doesn't give a flying *beep* that she just killed a child. That's what you're saying right? That she should have just left the child there in the street, walked up to the house, told the mother that her child's bleeding corpse is in the street, then walked off?

And how do you know the child was NEVER taught to go out into the street? For all you know her mother could have told her that that very morning, but the little girl simply forgot. You're telling me you never forgot (or worse, disregarded) your parents advice and teachings?

It's called (prepare yourself, you may have never heard of one) a soul. Her eternal soul is in torment, torn between living the life she always has (the one you so glorify and cherish; but look where it's lead her) and the one that God wants and is guiding her toward (the one where she feels remorse for killing a child, apologizes to the mother, makes ethical decisions). Clearly, to you, the latter is more appealing.

If Grace didn't change and always remained as she did in season one there entire show would be flat. There'd be no character development whatsoever, thus no plot. This is, after all, a character driven show. If Grace didn't struggle with her soul than there'd be no reason for Earl to be there.

Look, I'm sorry, but killing someone is not a matter of "Oops, look what I did. Sorry, all. Okay, now my hands are clean of the mess--back to life!"

Face it: you're in the wrong here, Keke.

[–] JudeDeveraux 14 years ago

Keke you are a moron! That is not what I said and since you are new to this board you have no clue what I mean but other posters do. I hate smartass newbies who think they know everything & want to take issue with long time posters since day one!!

When I said get your tissues ready I meant for the end of the show...it will be sad to see it go as I've & many others have been fans from the beginning!!!
BTW...I don't read Harlequin books...I stopped reading those when I was 16 years old! AND I despise chick flicks...I would rather see an action movie any day...yes I am female.

Grace was not weepy you fool...she was upset she had killed a child. Children DO run out in the street all the time to get balls & other things...I've had to stop for them myself. Should their Mothers be charged for child neglect? OMG.

Fall back in your coma because Grace is almost gone come Monday night.

Pompous Jerk!

jesusbwep....well said!!!

[–] mypcforums 14 years ago

I hate smartass newbies who think they know everything & want to take issue with long time posters since day one!!

So you're saying that only people who have been posting to these boards since the beginning of the show have the right to post about them and express their opinions about the episodes and other people's thoughts about them? That's ridiculous!

There are no atheists in hell.

[–] jmbwithcats 14 years ago

I think what Keke is missing about the character is that it's not that she didn't need anyone, she simply hid it better than most. Yes she was badass, but a lot of that was hiding her pain. She's an amazing woman who felt and thought deeply, and was meant for greater things, that's why EARL is there, to lead her through the dark night of the soul to a more honest and enlightened and healthy life.

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[–] ReasonlsOutToLunch 14 years ago

I never watched this show before. I started to watch the season finale, I couldn't take it. I agree with the OP on his point. She is weepy. She was when I quit watching acting week. I don't know what you are supposed to do when you kill a child and it's not your fault, but you still feel bad anyway. But, taking street drugs is probably not on the list of things to do. I doubt getting drunk is on the list as well. Anywho, I would be sick for days even though I knew it wasn't my fault. I don't know what I would do after that.

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[–] jmbwithcats 14 years ago

The only ones who understand Grace are those who have been through hell the way she has. To anyone else, there is only reason, rational thought, and "lists"

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[–] squiffydoodle 14 years ago

My mom's cousin accidently hit a toddler the same way and she had a nervous breakdown

It would be the worst thing that could happen to me if I was ever involved in that kind of accident

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[–] jmbwithcats 14 years ago

Ya, you gotta love the stupidity of one who says, Oh she wouldn't turn to drugs, cos that's not good for you... rofl.. that's the thought process of someone who hasn't moved out of their sheltered mom's house.

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[–] beafraid00 14 years ago

Do you always make it a point to watch ONLY the beginning of season finales and then pass judgment on the quality of multi-year long running series?

Not only is that not credible, but it is equally irrational and illogical.

[–] jenmoon-1 14 years ago

I definitely needed tissues when Leon Cooley was executed. That was a powerful episode, very well written and extremely well acted.

[–] kimmiepaca 14 years ago

It would have been completely out of character for her to give that mother any grievance about not watching her daughter THAT second that she happened to not be paying attention. I'm disgusted that someone would even say such a thing. If I ran over a kid on a major highway running around naked with snot all over his/her face I would still feel horribly guilty even if it was obvious the child was being neglected.

Grace was a strong character, and if she would have flew off the handle at the mother (because she sure as heck wouldn't be able to arrest her,... there's about infinity children playing in any street as I type this, like it or not...) I believe that she would have had no fans left.

I like action movies way more than chick flicks, and I love to read but hate harlequin romance. I guess when I'm watching a dramatic television series, I like the characters to be likable and believable, especially when they are the protagonist.

[–] CheeryToes 13 years ago

Hitting the child was like a culmination of all the things she was feeling, I almost thought she hadn't really hit her, that it was a metaphor, Earl retreating as she carried the child farther and farther from the accident scene trying to reach him.

She still blamed herself for her sister's death, she feels extremely deeply and tries to kill her pain with drinking, bravado and wanton behavior...it was sad it had to end. I'm not sure how I feel with that scene of Ham being the last one...but there it is, it's over and I choose to remember the series and the character with great fondness.

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[–] adiunderground 12 years ago

what the **** are you talking about...

weak for being messed up after running over a child??

[–] zuzuspetals927 9 years ago

I know the original post was from several years ago but I have to respond.

I just finished watching the last season a few days ago.

Grace Hanadarko was NO baby. It's a shame you missed the whole point of the episode, as well as ALL the ones leading up to that moment.

In my opinion, it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Don't forget: Grace lost her sister in the bombing of the Murrah building because she was too hung over to watch her nephew the day her sister wanted to get the SS card. The sister ended up going the next day and that was the day of the bomb.

She ran over the Bokeem Woodbine character because she was drunk and driving and nearly killed him. That was when Earl appeared.

Along the way she is threatened and ends up holding a bomb in the police station with her nephew while the bomb squad is called; her beloved dog, Gus, is lost (but found at the end of the episode); she loses her grandfather, who was clearly a favorite of his; she is having an on-again, off-again relationship with Ham, who is married to another woman and who lost his brother in Iraq; not to mention the years she was abused by the priest as a little girl. The drinking and promiscuity was, in my opinion, a manifestation of all that she had lived through in her life. And just when she thinks she kind of got it together, she accidentally runs over a child in the street and kills her. For me, those were the most powerful episodes because her grief was so palpable. She had stopped eating, was sleeping all those hours -- these are symptoms of depression. Remember when she tried to go back to work too soon after the accident? There she was, standing in a pool of a victim's blood, and she couldn't do it. She fell apart. This was not WEAKNESS; it was STRENGTH.

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[–] latebar7609 9 years ago

I completely agree with you. That whole original post was completely asinine. To me she acted completely in her character and accidentally killing a child would send ANYONE over the edge unless they are psychotic and have no emotions.

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