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after all this time I STILL do not understand the hate for this film


look. i promise i have tried to see you guys' pov on this. but i just don't get it. i guess something is really wrong with me, that i can't understand A--why this one is 'bad' and B--why skyfall is 'great'

for me, skyfall sucked a truck load of big fat dicks. IT SUCKED. and i can tell you why, again and again. but you guys don't hear me.

then, you guys come on here (for years and years now) and say QOS sucked, was awful, etc. And, i have tried to understand what you mean. but all i know is, i can sit and watch quantum of solace and it doesnt bore me, and i enjoy it. but when i watch skyfall the ridiculous direction the story goes after bardem leaves the island is just so silly i can't keep watching. then the whole home alone sequence happens, etc.

i just dont get it. why is QOS so bad? it's a mystery to me



well, that's my .02


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It's a better Spectre movie than Spectre. And Skyfall's awesome mate.

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dude. i do not understand how you guys like skyfall so much. it blows. SMH

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it was the movie for me that really exposed the classic bond plot and actually made me realize ive been watching the same movie over and over again.

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Yup. Which made it extremely boring.

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Its not that its so bad. But this film was a direct sequel to casino Royale. All the other Bond films are separate adventure films. So for the majority of people who saw this, they didn't remember all the details from Casino Royale and the plot becomes very confusing. So for that, it got bad reviews. If you watch this directly after Casino Royale, the film makes a lot more sense. Most people didn't do that and its not expected from Bond movie fans

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best explanation I've ever read. Thanks

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nah, it sucked

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Yep. I back to backed 'em. Good flix!

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I understood every thing from casino royale and I’ve still always thought this movie was trash and a pathetic Jason Borne rip off.

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This movie could have been better but calling it trash is a bit harsh. I'll take a trilogy any day of Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Spectre over the Nolan Batman films. I didn't count Skyfall because thats not as connected as the other Craig films. Skyfall is more of a stand alone action movie

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It was well established that Raoul Silva was a member of spectre you moron. Even then CR and Skyfall were nowhere near as good as TDK and TDKR

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Yes, Silva was connected to Spectre however you can enjoy this film more as a stand alone movie compared to Spectre and Quantum. Casino Royale was better than TDK and TDKR

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I reject your subjective opinion and spectre quite clearly follows skyfall. Without skyfall MI6 being destroyed makes no sense at all. It’s ok kid , we all have our bad days, maybe next time you’ll think before speaking

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All I'm saying is that Skyfall is more of a stand alone Bond film compared to the other 3

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Yep, they should have followed the route of Dr No - FRWL - Goldfinger - Thunderball, where Goldfinger was a standalone story while other three was about Bond vs Spectre. Making Silva part of the big master plan was one the biggest blunders of Spectre.

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Yea in Spectre after Bond gets that ring, Q then ties that ring to Bonds past 3 villains inlcuding Silva which was very dumb. He had no business being part of Spectre. I enjoyed Skyfall but much of the plot doesn't make much sense. Silvas plan had way too many convenient coincedences

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The way I've always looked at it, is that Silva was still doing his own thing, but received the funding needed to carry out his plan from SPECTRE. But what doesn't help that argument is the fact Oberhauser/Blofeld takes credit for the death of M and that whole plan.

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The plan in Skyfall falls apart right away if you chose to go the route with Oberhauser/Blofeld revenge angle with Bond, since Bond was presumed dead after the opening scene in Skyfall

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But you can watch FRWL or even Thunderball as your 1st Bond film before seeing Dr No and you'll be able to understand everything. With the Craig films, you need to watch in chronological order or you get confused

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Spectre does not logically flow from QOS, without Skyfall the transition doesn’t make sense

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Nonetheless its still rather easy to watch Spectre right after QOS, because you learn early in Spectre about M's death. Of course seeing Skyfall helps though. However QOS makes little sense if you haven't seen Casino Royale. And Spectre is hard to follow if you didn't see CR or QOS.

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It makes no sense watching the two of them back to back. Its like watching Return of the Jedi immediately after A New Hope, there are gaps that weren't filled in.

QOS should have never been made and I really wish they would just go back to having each Bond film be it's own separate thing rather than trying to create this expanded, interconnected Bond Universe or whatever they are going for.

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The only real gap between QOS and Spectre is the death of M. Other than that, Skyfall doesn't fill any other gap

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And who Raoul Silva is, and where Q came from, and who Gareth Mallory is, and who Miss Moneypenny is, and how MI6 got blown up , and what Skyfall is, but yeah other than that the movies flow together perfectly.

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Silva, is mentioned briefly in Spectre but isnt part of the main plot. If you don't know who he is, you can still enjoy Spectre, assuming you saw the other Craig films.

Yes Q is introduced in Skyfall however when you see him in Spectre, one can easily figure out who he is. Again, his introduction in Skyfall helps you understand Spectre more, but its not necessary

Same with Moneypenny. Its easy to figure out early on, she works with MI6, even if you didn't see Skyfall.

Again with blowing up MI6. Sure it helps if you watched Skyfall, however in Spectre, these details are again mentioned and is easy for one to figure out what happened if they didn't see Skyfall

What Skyfall is, is not important to the plot of Spectre

You are owned. Again

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You still would have no idea who he is or what he did if you didn't watch Skyfall

There is no indication of where he came from or why he is here, Spectre does not give him a proper introduction, Skyfall did. Just like how TSWLM gave Robert Brown's M a proper introduction and TWINE did the same for John Cleese's Q. Furthermore Q and Bond clearly have a relationship and a dynamic between them which was established in Skyfall, without Skyfall you miss how their relationship evolved to where it is when we first meet them in Spectre.

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Uhhhh, so you're saying your supposed to watch Spectre and just be like "Oh I guess MI6 blew up in between films", that isn't the kind of thing you can just roll with, that's kind of a big deal having a government building being attacked by cyber terrorists. Idiot

I have completely destroyed you, I own you and you never stood a chance against me. If you were wise you'd listen to me because I know far more about life and James Bond than you and your "college professor" combined, but I guess it's just easier for you to sink into your delusions. Pathetic.

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It's funny you say that. I watched Casino Royale when it came out, didn't care for it. I watched Quantum, didn't care for it.

I watched them back-to-back recently, and all of a sudden I found them to be good movies. I don't recall them actually being one long movie with no chronological gap. Pretty enjoyable.

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I doubt that’s why people disliked it. That’s not what I’ve heard and read when it came to Quantum’s problems. Watching the two back-to-back does help Quantum a bit, but it was considered a Jason Bourne wannabe instead of a James Bond film.

Casino Royale felt like it had more effort put into it, a stylish Bond movie for the new age, while Quantum felt like a fast-tracked generic action movie. I’ll say this though, I’d rather rewatch Quantum than No Time To Die.

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Quantum of Solace failed to feel like Bond with the sole exception of the opera sequence. Other than that, it was just another Bourne movie. I bought a ticket to watch Bond, not "Generic Action Movie #12,544".

But, okay, so it's just an action movie. I've liked other entries in the Generic Action Movie series. Why not this one? For starters, it kicks the action off with a poorly-edited shaky-cam car chase. That's its big opener. So it starts off on the wrong foot and then plunges into a (mostly) joyless, tonally-inconsistent (quippy, flirty Fields and a Bond universe with the Nation of Thirst geopolitical exploitation plot...?) storyline as forgettable as its villain or leading lady.

It's not without glimmers of Bondian fun, but it just doesn't work on any facet that it presents. It also can't pick a facet.

And that's why I don't like Quantum of Solace.

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I think those points are splitting hairs for the most part. As I said, all I know is I can sit and watch QOS and enjoy it and when i watch sky fail or Sphincter i want to throw up.

and geesh with the bourne thing already. roger moore had long since retired by 2008. also, casino royale had plenty of the same elements but nobody mentions bourne in relation to CR.

I stand by my statement, that i just dont get all the hate.

but thanks for your reply. cheers

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Fair play, if you like it you like it.

I could go with Mission: Impossible, John Wick, or Die Hard, too. My point is that there is an attitude and "vibe" to Bond evident to me in all of the others and I find it lacking here. It's not 100% absent - it's present in the opera scene as I said - but there is a paucity of it overall.

Casino Royale definitely got the vibe more, in my opinion, although even there I have a quibble or two (I don't care if it's the "origin/first mission" storyline, nobody has *ever* told James Bond (as an adult professional) that his dinner jacket is subpar).

It's nice to disagree and not have it turned into a personal battle; I thank you for keeping it civil.

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Hands down the worst thing about Casino Royale is what they did to the gunbarrel, that was worse than anything out of Die Another Day, Moonraker, Octopussy or Diamonds Are Forever

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See, and I didn't mind it.

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I cannot stand the Casino Royale Gunbarrel, they singlehandedly destroyed a 40 year legacy.

I am in the process of making my own edit of Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace and Skyfall where I take a fan edit from YouTube that puts the gunbarrel right at the beginning where it belongs and then I’m going to insert that edit at the beginning of the movies. That is how I choose to view them from now on.

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I've had the same confusion. I've never understood what was so terrible about Quantum Of Solace besides maybe it's strange title. I've been even more baffled by the perception of Skyfall as the only "good" one, besides Royale when I think Skyfall was easily the worst of the Craig films. Big, dumb action at its very worst

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I've had the same confusion. I've never understood what was so terrible about Quantum Of Solace besides maybe it's strange title. I've been even more baffled by the perception of Skyfall as the only "good" one

Thank God, finally someone sees it the way I do! Cheers, mate.

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Add me to the list of QoS fans. It has its flaws, mostly on the directing side... that initial shaky cam car chase being an example.

Some people thought the villain was underwhelming. For me that was a plus. Not every Bond film has to feature some megalomaniac intent on global domination. The Bond novels were very small scale so this tale is more in keeping with the literary character.

but...

... it was a bit hard to believe how this physically weedy guy was able to give Bond such a fight during the final showdown.

What I DID like about it particularly:

i. For once, Bond is not macking on the female lead. The two of them enjoy a working relationship only.

ii. Bond's final kill where he leaves the villain in the desert with a quart of oil iirc. It was a refreshing change from the usual bit where the villain gets an overly dramatic send off.

Afa Skyfall, it LOOKED gorgeous. That brutal fight... silhouettes against the glass and neon background was a standout.

But the writing was awful. Honest Trailers pretty much nails all the illogical story elements, no need to re-hash them here.

I also seem to remember some scene in Skyfall where Bond jumps into the shower with some sex toy of the villain, minutes after we learn that she had essentially been tapped as an underage hooker by him. That scene just made Bond seem like a sexual opportunist.

So, yeah, for me it was one of the weaker Craig movies.

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I found QOS to be more of a restrained & straight forward spy action film. Reminding me somewhat of From Russia With Love in that regard(Not nearly as good though). It wasn't a great movie but i appreciated its groundedness more than the big, dumb turn your brain off action & grandiose set pieces in Skyfall.

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This film is okay, it's not great but it's tense throughout, and the opera and desert scenes are terrifying, and M has never been better. Plus, it uses a favorite opera piece of mine to excellent effect, one that's greatly underappreciated.

It's really on a par with "Skyfall", another weak film that seems better in retrospect, because it has a couple of stunning scenes that stay in the mind after you've forgotten all the crap between the great scenes. But of course, both are vastly better than "Spectre", which is worthless after thr first 10 minutes.

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Opera stuff was great, the rest was a snooze. Skyfall is, for me, eons ahead of QoS.

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Well, you and I agree on this my friend. While this movie is nowhere near as good as Casino Royale was it's still better (by leaps and bounds) than all of the other Bond films starring Daniel Craig.

Oh, and I fell asleep watching Skyfall too. That movie was/is just plain dreadful!

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