Except dealing with Ruber's and Bridgewater's story.
Beyond that... is Joe an object... what happened in Room 10... etc... none of it bothers me. It's a "Lady or the Tiger" kind of story. You don't have to know. The overall story has a great arc, but it doesn't have to have an ending. A final solution would, frankly, have ruined it.
Am I alone in thinking this?
I've never been able to understand why killing the Occupant would have any effect on the Objects or getting the little girl back. But was there ever any doubt that Joe would get his little girl back?
The ending never seemed like an ending because plenty of Objects were still outside the Room when Joe tries tossing the key in to 'end' it's existence. That was the only moment when I was able to guess what was going to happen next; that the door would swing back open and the Room and Key would still be there.
Obviously the idea was that it could be a continuing series with the ambiguous ending and it still could though probably with an all new cast.
The interesting question is how does the Room know where one wishes to go? The implication of a rip in time and space that tore the Room, the Objects and the Occupant away doesn't explain why wishing navigates the Room to where the current occupant wants to go. Or why the original Occupant just couldn't wish himself back to where he started. All interesting things to dream up some sci-fi explanations for.
As a continuing series, would it get too metaphysical for the general public?
"As a continuing series, would it get too metaphysical for the general public? "
I think the series "Lost" has shown that the general public can deal with mind warping long term plot threads and mysteries. Indeed that is a huge success so they shouldn't shy away from things like this. It seems it's all about getting people on board with it at the start. Shows like Stargate you can pop on to at any time and pick up most of the long term elements okay, but more complex shows need a lot of people on board to begin with to make it work long term. They did that with Lost fine because it was ABC, but great Sci-Fi Channel shows are way too easy to slip under the radar unnoticed and take a while to surface through word of mouth and good reviews.
What they need to do if they were to try and make this a full series would be to "accidentally" loose a few episodes into the world of torrents (like what happened actually accidentally with Battlestar Gallactica) and get word of mouth started before the series even hits the ground. If it gets a good rating for the first few shows I think it would make it long term.
Sadly though it is probably too late now and while I like Warehouse 13, this is probably too similar to get the go ahead now that Warehouse is out there. Perhaps the high early ratings on that show were partially due to the similarities.
Anyway, I guess the questions will always go unanswered. Still, it was a good ride while it lasted.
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When Joe became the Prime Object, he had the ability to then remain in the room and somewhat control what was happening, which alternate room appeared, and find his little girl and exit the room.
If you aren't the Prime Object, and you get lost in the room, you just wind up in one of the many other alternate rooms, and have no control over which one you're in, which is how his daughter got lost the first time.
LISTEN! ... Do you smell something?
I don't understand why the Occupant didn't just wish Joe's little girl back. Why did he have to die (or did he just want his suffering to end)? Joe became the new "Occupant" and brought his daughter back but the original Occupant should have had the same power to do the same thing in the first place. Am I wrong? Or perhaps Anna became the new Occupant (not Joe) after the original Occupant's death and she brought everything back to normal in the end. Confused yet?! haha
shareI think he could have, although it might have taken some time. It's possible that Anna wound up in MULTIPLE rooms, not just one, and that it might have took her biological same-world father to locate her and realize which one was the real one.
However, I lend far more credence to your secondary premise. I think he WAS tired of suffering, and wanted it to end. After all, he'd already tried to gank Joe's gun and shoot himself in the asylum. When he realized that Joe was the one person who would kill him, and that the pull of his daughter was strong enough to make him do it, I think he used that to take care of business.
Although the possibility that Anna was the new occupant was interesting. That would be one hell of a twist!
LISTEN! ... Do you smell something?
Nope.
You aren't alone, and even im happy with the ending.
SPOILERS The last conversation between Joe and the occupant is confusing and seems that the occupant didn't really know alot. Actually, I don't think the occupant knew squat. He tried to go to his wife who didn't remember him b/c he was pulled from our reality and his past erased. He couldn't die b/c you can't destroy the objects. I think he tricked Joe into thinking he knew something about getting his daughter back and made stuff up just so Joe could kill him which could only happen when he was back in that room.
One more problem is how Joe even had his gun since the crazy guy who was trying to bring his son back made Joe leave his gun at his house before they looked for the vault. After he was locked in the vault and used the bus ticket to go to Gallup, NM and met up with the woman, when did he have time to get his gun unless he had 2 but in that case if he had an extra gun he wouldn't have got locked in the vault. Big plot hole for me. Sorry. Otherwise I did like the show. Wish they delved into the event more.
Convo with the Occupant said if a Object is destroyed a new one will takes its place.
Could of just got a gun from the book store owner.
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the show is rubbish, and YES i'm a huge biased person
since imdb says its 2006 and i just saw it just then (2011) AND only caught SOME of it...oh and only caught the lAST episode lol yeah big leap to judge but still.
i thought it was a movie of some sort not a mini series.
but let me say it was predictable, the so called evil guy dying i.e the guy who replaced his eye with the glass eye, it was so predictable he wouldn't get his son back and also get taken by the room.
soooo predictable, its one of those "you shouldn't play with powers you don't understand crap" you get that in ALOT of stories from western movies eg. the sphere to asian stuff like anime (naruto) i.e there is a god like power you cannot deal with because its unstable OR too powerful and that humans just don't understand
sooo predictable and lame, yeah right the hypocrite hero says don't use it to ressurect the boy (karls son) yet its ok for him to blow away an innocent man just to get his daughter back who...
a) its not like she died therefore she didn't suffer
b) its not like if he knew he'd get his daughter back
wow after preaching "you can't do this and that to bring back your son otherwise alot of people will die" he himself murders someone in cold blood and walks out of the room like 'meh whatever' and possibly for no reason i.e nothing happens and doesn't get the daughter back.
plus why didn't that human object just kill himself? why did he need someone else to kill him? plus what a liar telling her little daughter "i'll tell you everything"
"yeah sweety I shot an innocent man in the chest to make you reappear from thin air"
it's situations like this is why i always root for the baddie...even though i know in my heart the b*stard hero wins. I hated the smug hero b*stard. I hated Jennifer just as much if not more so. Tried to kill karl just to stop him from trying to bring his son back. Then knowing she's captured AFTEr shooting karl, she THEN decides to reason with karl like a nice person.
Also whats with her putting her arm around the daughter at the end like she's all bff with the girl....karl should've killed her right there and then with his eye, i mean why not you already killed others.
p.s whats with the slow reaction and emotional scene with karl and the son, should've just grabbed him and pulled him out, but that's tv/movies for you. Always with the slow scene where the dead tries to come back but a connection is severed...so lame and done to death.
pps if karl can create people to help him, why not think of more people or create smarter and stronger people to help him?
You definitely need to see it from the beginning to get the whole picture. The points you raised about the hero trying to stop the "evil guy" from saving his son is incorrect. That's not what they're trying to do.
The portal Karl carelessly created with the objects in the door, is a actually giant rip in reality. Just like when the collectors did the experiment for the first time. If the observer hadn't been there to stop it, it would of spread through even further, killing everyone and even unmaking reality as we know it. That's what Jennifer and Karl was trying to stop.
Similarly you didn't seem to notice the observer WANTED to die. He was fed up with his wife not been able to remember him. Fed up with the constant headaches, fed up with life in general. He could not do it by himself, he needed the key to get back into the room and another person inside it. Another requirement could be that the other person had to WANT to become the next prime object as well.
Joe wanted to get his daughter back. The price the observer demanded was that Joe had to shoot him. Joe didn't want to do it. But he had to.
Indeed I'd agree with you on the double standards of many Hollywood films/tv shows. But this show is not one of those. The portrayal of the Karl character is one of the best I've seen in a tv show villain in a long time. The character is not a one dimensional caricature you typically see in formulaic hollywood scripts. You can easily identify with the moral dilemmas he faces in order to get his son back. Even if you do not agree with his decisions, you can empathize. That's a mark of good script writing.
I definitely recommend you give the show a chance and take a 2nd look at the series. This time start at the beginning. This is an excellent series and it'll be a shame if you just judged it on an incomplete and out of context situation where you're not even of the motivations behind it.
Well said. Reading a lot of people's rants about "plot holes", the unanswered questions, or that they wanted it to be a full blown tv show with 2-3 seasons really annoys me. The show was never about finding all the objects or finding the answers to those questions so why should they have to be answered at the end?
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