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Writer/Animator Doesn't Understand Sue's Power

posted 17 years ago by cmaynard99
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Someone has confused Sue's invisible force field ability with telekinesis. Sue's force field manipulation is more like Green Lantern's solid light creations than Marvel Girl/Phoenix's telekinesis.

Sue cannot create invisible floating pads to fly around on nor can she just make objects move.

Sue moves around on her force fields by imagining 3D versions of geometric forms (i.e., she's standing on an invisible column or moving along an invisible slide (think Iceman's ice slide)). The forms Sue can create are limited only to her imagination.

To move an object, she creats an invisible form on, under, or around it to act against the object to be moved.

It's a rather significant difference in ability that the writer's should not have been given the liberty to make.

[–] angel001-1 17 years ago

These things happen on the way from a comic book to a children's TV show, the same thing happened to Raven in the Teen Titans... in the comics she's an empath who can heal pain and separate her soul self... in the cartoon she can do all that and use telekinesis. (I think the animators like telekinesis... who wouldn't!)

I understand that some fans are a little upset with the show, but I've never read a single Fantastic Four comic and I think the show's great, you just sit back and watch, no real background needed (for any insider jokes) and no reason to have to do any strenuous thinking

"Evil beware... we have waffles!" - Raven

[–] sbail1 17 years ago

I can't remember specifically but hasn't Sue projected invisible balls and or other objects at enemies? If she has any mental control of the direction of these objects then that would be a form of TK in my opinion. Actually just projecting them at an enemy would be control by itself. I'm unsure though if she's ever displayed directional control once she's launched the invisible projectile. But if she has then it's perfectly plausible how her abilities are displayed on the show.

Sorry...and/or my bad.

[–] bbharris 16 years ago

The force blast and force balls illustrate the OP's point. It's shapes, not just plain TK.

However, in the comics, she HAS displayed the ability to fly by creating a force platform. Only John Byrne -- who made the distinction with Sue's force manipulation -- stuck wholly to his theory. Everyone else has played fast n loose with it.

I rather liked Byrne's specifications, tho'...

[–] crescentcomics1 17 years ago

Wrongo, bucky. Sue has indeed created invisible pads to fly around on. And it has been hinted at several times that her power is has some basis in telekenesis, as evidenced by her offspring, Franklin.

"I don't know, I'm just making this up as I go..."

[–] superturbo4 16 years ago

Less said about Franklin Richards the better. First he was Sue and Reeds kid who everyone assumed would have powers cos of his parents, then its revealed he is a mutant anyways (a damn powerful one too)! Franklin's been blatantly rewritten alot even since he came into being, From the early days of him being a mere average nobody toddler 'friend' of the Power Pack superhero kids to one of Marvel's most powerful character ever?!

And how all that happen to a mere simple kid who's the offspring of Reed and Susan Storm exactly. Bad writing thats how?

Nah, regardless the original poster has a point about sue and the use of powers bit. Writers need to make things bigger for a cartoon series, so changes and exaggerations certain things that are well known in the comics to its animated series for visualisation sakes and storytelling issues. Writers always take several liberites in doing so, when wirting for certains characters from fiction. Regardless of whats establised about them from one take of a comic book to another medium.

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[–] Invisiboy 16 years ago

"Sue cannot create invisible floating pads to fly around on nor can she just make objects move."

I have read FF comics for the past 20 years, and Sue can indeed levitate things, including herself. There are a lot of applications for her force-field powers, but not all writers have her use them. For example, Sue can actually cause object to explode with her powers, but she doesn't do it often.

The only real difference between Sue's power and Jean Grey's is that Sue's force field can actually be touched as if it were an object, but Jean's telekinesis is untouchable unless she makes it really tight into a force field.

[–] GrownUpKid 16 years ago

I loved the way Sue used her powers in this show

She has incredible control over them

Never seen her with this much control in a cartoon outside of maybe the episode from the 94 series when she's Malice and she beats the Thing half to death

Also theres no exact science behind her invisible force fields. If she can perform feats such as creating a bubble around the Hulk's head to cut off his air supply, I don't see why she can't create a flat forcefield disc to levitate on

[–] super_nashwan 15 years ago

If she can perform feats such as creating a bubble around the Hulk's head to cut off his air supply, I don't see why she can't create a flat forcefield disc to levitate on

Well assuming that the OP is right then the bubble is possible because Sue herself is anchored to the ground and she is using her own inertia to move it as she might with invisible projectiles. The levitating platform is not anchored to anything so there's nothing to propel it forwards. I've never seen her fly in the comic, but she could appear to levitate upwards by creating a telescoping column which was in contact with the floor. Similar to the one she created in Civil War to punch a big hole through several floors of the Baxter Building.

Also, the bubble wouldn't work. Hulk's system would adapt to a lack of oxygen as it did in Planet Hulk where they state that his mutation will allow him to survive a zero-atmosphere environment.

But I'm not complaining or anything, I think the show is cool. Better than the movies even (which wouldn't be hard).

[–] taijiquan12 15 years ago

Actually the bubble thing has worked on the Hulk before. However, Sue attacked the Hulk with a force bubble cutting off his air when the Hulk was much weaker. The Hulk has become stronger that confrontation, and you are indeed correct that he no longer needs to breathe for a very long time.
I believe that in World War Hulk he makes Sue pass out by applying so much force to her force field (which is connected to her mind) that it overwhelms her.

Anyways, the Original Poster is correct. Sue's power isn't telekinesis, as she cannot move just anything. She can, however, move her own invisible creations, and like others have said, she couldn't make anything fly, but she can generate a field from her feet pushing upwards on the ground to fly.

"Bulls**t MR.Han Man!!"--Jim Kelly in Enter the Dragon

[–] CommanderTaggart 15 years ago

I recently read Mark Millar's Fantastic Four Worlds Greatest graphic novel. She flew around on a platform that looked like a surf board. From what I can tell she has to exert her force fields against something to make them move, she seems to be able to make them move with her mind any way she likes so I assume one thing she pushs against is gravity? Also possibly electromagnetic fields? I see no reason she couldn't simulate flight on her platform as shown.

[–] quicksilver4224 15 years ago

She can create a force field in mid air and clearly she can make the force fields move since when Hulk is struggling she has to move the bubble to keep it around his head (assuming he isn't strong enough to move it with his head alone). So if you put the ability of being able to create them in mid air and being able to move them together you have pretty much got telekinesis.

[–] quicksilver4224 15 years ago

I don't think with a power like hers that there is a set rule to how she can use it.

And there are comics where she has made "floating pads" that she flys on.

[–] RandomUsername010 14 years ago

When I checked her out at comicvine dot com, it said her powers included among invisibility, willpower-based constructs, energy based constructs and psionic. Psionic would be a superpower class involving many subclasses; telepaths, telekinetics, empaths, precogs, & many that I'm too tired to type. I might be wrong, but I think Sue has limited telekinetic power. This might explain how she can create an invisible disc & float on it through the air. I've seen her do this in some comics. Just a theory, though.

Anyone please have a better idea?