I DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT


I get that you are trying to be quirky and new. but what i don't like is the fact that they pigeon-hole black women in this film.

Why is it that black women could not fall for this guy, why the stereotype of black women if you are trying to contradict the notion of stereotype.

why is it that she has to be mixed and of another race to accept him for who he is? this movie does not give a full range of the black women that are out there so therefore I will not support it.

***I have not seen it and will not see it. ( as a black woman who is offended.)

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The reason why you don't like it is the entire plot of the movie: NOT TO PIDGEONHOLE BLACK WOMEN!

How can you say "the movie doesn't give a full range of the black women that are out there" if you haven't seen it?

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Maybe she read a detailed movie review or article about the movie and decided she was not going to give $10 to support views she does not believe are helpful to black women. I don't blame her.

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I blame her. As professional in this business, I know you could never know for sure until you see. And, let's remember, she reading a review or whatever is just an assumption. I can't find a review, yet I do know way too many people who saw it on the film festival circuit.

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I'm not sure that the film pigeon holes black women. I think it's more about him (Jay) than them. It's Jay that has the issue with dating, period. Whether it's a black woman, white woman or asian woman, he has a fear of commitment which is why he breaks up with everyone. It's not that a black woman wouldn't fall for him, it's about him not allowing himself to fall for anyone else, as much as he thinks he wants to fall for someone.

Sure, the character he falls for could have been 'blacker' but what difference does it make? It's a film about a guy discovering himself first and foremost. There are plenty of black female characters in the film to show the full range, whatever that might be.

But at the end of the day we'll all see something different in the movie, assuming we all allow ourselves to watch it for what it is, an amusing, feel-good movie with a happy ending.

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This sounds stupid....like..... how do you begin to make statements and questions like these about a movie you haven't seen. I mean really? I'm a black female too and you've just offended me.

What's more dangerous than sincere ignorance?

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ms juicey (sounds classy) if you are trying to use scarcasm as a way to answer my question, you are coming off very unfavroable.

This was just my opinion I didn't want to waste my time watching a movie that I felt did not present itself well.

I am the wrong person to call ingorant. What is ignorant and almost moronic is insulting a person for their ideas and personal opinions...especially over the Internet. Good luck in life from one black female to another,

BTW... as a TRUE black woman I wonder why you would take pleasure in breaking another black woman down for her thoughts that are well thought out.

how have i offend you?

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BTW... as a TRUE black woman I wonder why you would take pleasure in breaking another black woman down

The race card... played in this thread! How surprising! Not.


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I think she was trying to say that your argument didn't seem very well thought out, given that you haven't seen the move. I might be inclined to agree with her given that you so aggressively attack her based on pure paranoia.

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lmaooo they are calling you ignorant because you are hating on a movie you havent seen, youve blown past the theme and complained about the concept.

You are ignorant, and whats even worse, you are calling others ignorant for not considering your baseless opinion. Thats the worst kind of ignorance because you will argue that you arent just talking out of your ass.

Sure you can tell us why you wont see the movie, but you cant tell us whats wrong with a movie if you havent even seen it. That defines ignorance.

I gotta say also, that with a name like sarahisdumb2 you shouldnt really be knocking on the classiness of other peoples names.

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I think the definition of a "truly thought out" opinion is an educated one. In order to critisize art, one must have seen it.

saraisdumb2, did you consider that you might be MISSING OUT on an OPPORTUNITY to support a film that FOR ONCE escapes the trappings of stereotypes for women? and ESPECIALLY black women, by allowing three dimensional characters?

For EVERYONE'S information... two of the film's producers are black women, and it is directed by a black woman.

Have some faith in your sistas before you trash their work.

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"For EVERYONE'S information... two of the film's producers are black women, and it is directed by a black woman." -- turnsoulfilms

I knew that. I'm on the inside. LOL.

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you know what...you have actually changed my opinion. I might just give this movie a chance....here's hoping to liking it!

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Why is it that black women could not fall for this guy, why the stereotype of black women if you are trying to contradict the notion of stereotype.


Why??? Because it happens in real life, that's why. It's a story about one character's experience. The black women that he encounters don't have to represent all black women. Moreover, it's well within the realm of possibility that an atypical black man might not get any love from the sistas. I've know several guys in that same boat.

You'd think that there would be an even distribution of oddball black women and men. Perhaps there is, but oddball black women typically remove themselves from all contact with black people. They don't even have black female friends, let alone a black boyfriend. So, the oreoish brother is left in a situation where he can either continually bang his head against a wall trying to win the affections of black women whose interests lie in fly ninjas and jailbird thugs, or he can date the women who are interested in him.

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he's not stereotping black women...but he is bein realistic...ppl may say that opposites attract but for the most part ppl really just date ppl with similar interests...therefore his character was a black man who listened to indi rock, wrote graphic novels and still plays wayy to many video games...so we can write out chicks from the hood...successful black women who are like real life clair (cleo???) huxtable...n the black girls that are artsy but don't date black guys....there i *beep* said it black chicks do the same thing....so yea he has a significantly smaller target group...in making this argument i also considered the fact that they're really aren't that many black ppl in america either...so yea the concept is really well done actually and u should watch it...for an indie film its pretty good i gave it 6/10

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Why??? Because it happens in real life, that's why. It's a story about one character's experience. The black women that he encounters don't have to represent all black women. Moreover, it's well within the realm of possibility that an atypical black man might not get any love from the sistas. I've know several guys in that same boat.

You'd think that there would be an even distribution of oddball black women and men. Perhaps there is, but oddball black women typically remove themselves from all contact with black people. They don't even have black female friends, let alone a black boyfriend. So, the oreoish brother is left in a situation where he can either continually bang his head against a wall trying to win the affections of black women whose interests lie in fly ninjas and jailbird thugs, or he can date the women who are interested in him.


he's not stereotping black women...but he is bein realistic...ppl may say that opposites attract but for the most part ppl really just date ppl with similar interests...therefore his character was a black man who listened to indi rock, wrote graphic novels and still plays wayy to many video games...so we can write out chicks from the hood...successful black women who are like real life clair (cleo???) huxtable...n the black girls that are artsy but don't date black guys....there i *beep* said it black chicks do the same thing....so yea he has a significantly smaller target group...in making this argument i also considered the fact that they're really aren't that many black ppl in america either...so yea the concept is really well done actually and u should watch it...for an indie film its pretty good i gave it 6/10



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Thank you for your well thought out response! Speaking as an "oddball" black woman it does make sense.

But i just wish they would have considered at least putting one of us "oddballs" in the film. I just think it is a bit sexist.

(closing my eyes and reeling from the backlash I am about to recieve).

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You really haven't seen this movie have you? The main black female love interest is the "oddball" of "oddballs". This film probably has more "oddball" black women than any I've seen in recent memory. i mean one of the black women he goes on a date with is an extreme sports enthusiast.

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I haven't seen this film yet, but it's wrong to judge something without checking it out. Sure, I've sat through a number of movies I knew I was probably going to hate and ended up doing so 90% of the time, but I watched them just to be sure. You can't talk about something you don't know anything about. That's ignorance.

But to be perfectly honest, this movie sounds like one big black male stereotype to me. Unless Will Smith or Denzel Washington, a black man in a movie is either going to die, is a cheater, is a woman beater, is a criminal, is a drug dealer/addict, is afraid of commitment, is a fool, or is the comic relief.

But I do realize the stereotype knife does cut both ways. I find it amazing how in movies or TV shows they can find so many skinny blonde white girls to fill in the background or play bit parts, but when it comes to black women they can only find older overweight women. And when they do put an attractive black woman in a speaking role, she's usually light skinned or mixed. Even when a white guy is the love interest the black girl in question tents to have more than a few Caucasian features with few exceptions.

My advice would be fore more black women to write/produce/direct their own stuff. Or ask somelike like Shonda Rhimes to produce something with strong confident black characters (not just female) who are open minded and proud of themselves. This is the age of the Obama presidency, isn't it? It's time for CHANGE!

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Sorry to say it, but I found the movie to be true blue. It just so *happened* that the only black chick to dig him had to be mixed. All the others were materialistic, self-absorbed, etc, and quite frankly, they wouldn't mesh well with someone of his caliber. I'm a black woman and I KNOW a lot of sistas wouldn't have been down for a corn ball like Jay. He needed someone equally as quirky and off-kilter as he was; and while there are non-mixed black women who fit that criteria, they are far and few between. I enjoyed the movie.


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I feel you. I think this movie is (like the rest of the world) looking down on black women and saying half white or any other mix to a black women is better. Freak, why do they always think so low of a black woman or portray us s unloveable, or just plan nightmare g/f or wifes... (I too a black woman who will not watch this)

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Black females are the most difficult race of females to date...MAYBE NOT EVERY BLACK FEMALE... but a majority are just to much... closed minded... etc...etc...etc..

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No,we aren't. Black women have issues mainly because we're always told that we aren't good enough simply because we're not white women by this racist society, THAT'S why. And as a black woman, I'm tired of these stupid-ass generalizations being about us all the damn time. Hell, the main reason black women are so-called "difficult" is because we're always had all these bull**** assumptions and generalizations like the one you just spat out thrown at us ALL the time,and no one wants to give us the benefit of the damn doubt like they do white women (who always get a pass for damn near everything they do, simply BECAUSE they're white and especially if they're blond and blue-eyed)instead, we're always seen as strong and willing to put up with a lot of bull****, even though we're human,we get tired of being strong all the time just like anybody else, and we *beep* up and make mistakes just like anybody else on the planet.

Then, there's been this whole thing about why a lot of us are well-educated but single, as if no other type of women have these same exact problem---excerbated by just plain old-fashioned racism----we don't fit the stereotype of what women are supposed to act like, or at least what white society thinks we ought to act like---we never have, so they're always had a problem with us. Added to the fact that we're always until recently had very little control of any negative images of us shown in the media, and that's always compounded things. And don't tell me you're never met a non-black woman that wasn't the same way. I swear, everyone always loves to dump on black women because that's always been the case, and the hell with how we as black women feel about a damn thing. Seriously, people who do that can go *beep* the hell off somewhere, for all I care.

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