Ruining A Classic? You Should Be Ashamed
This movie is a classic for a reason. And the most important thing about a classic is that you don't mess with it! Because if you do, it will never be the same. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
shareI agree 1000000000%. I grew up with the animated version, it's one of my greatest Christmas memories. This is no good at all.
sharethe original is my favorite christmas movie ever. that and the real life story of santa clause, its another claymation or whatsitcalled. anyway though..
this is so disgusting...santa is supposed to be sick but his "disgruntled"? wtf? and theres a character thats labeled "drunk santa" wa. its horrible.
Rankin and Bass dubbed it "Animagic" (a highfalutin' term for stop-motion). It's only called claymation when the figures are made of clay, as the ones in all those Rankin-Bass specials are NOT.
Call me insane, but you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to reserve judgement until I've actually WATCHED this version. I don't like the idea of a drunk streetcorner Santa being put into it, but eh, I survived seeing a drunk fake Santa in the most recent feature film version of "Miracle on 34th Street," and that turned out to be a good movie.
In any case, this will not "ruin" the classic. The classic will still be there, unchanged and watchable on home video any time you want to look at it.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement.
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I saw the Snow Miser/Heat Miser teaser on YouTube and I think it's charming.
I think it's more homage to the old one than trying to do better than the original.
I am going to watch it with an unprejudiced eye and hope for the best.
I survived seeing a drunk fake Santa in the most recent feature film version of "Miracle on 34th Street," and that turned out to be a good movie.
There was a drunk fake Santa in the original Miracle on 34th Street also. share
Thanks for filling me in; I've never seen that version in its entirety. I'm guessing it's also true of the version made in the 70's, though I've never seen that one at all.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement.
The original is on tonight at nine PM on ABC Family but they tend to cut things out of it.
Thank you for saying this, Maskedman! I loved the original and was disappointed by this, but in no way did it ruin the original! A classic is a classic is a classic.
It is still there, unharmed.
This was an attempt to playfully acknowledge our love for it. It didn't work. But we move on. Nothing is lost.
-Crouchend
Well said! Couldn't have put it better.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement.
He was disgruntled in the original too. He thought there wasn't enough Christmas spirit in the world.
And 'drunk santa' is probably some down on their luck person wearing the santa suit for holiday pay, like in every other holiday movie.
I saw the youtube teaser, and i didn't like how the combined it, and the skanky girls didn't do much for me either. I think the casting sounds good, but I'm not watching it for the sake of the original.
Drunk santa wasn't really nescessary either, but whatever.
MASKEDMAN,
Actually 'Dynamation' is what they call Harryhausen's work (see Sinbad trilogy, etc), Rankin Bass called their stop-motion 'Animagic'.
from Rankin Bass website article by Rick Goldschmidt:
http://rankinbass.com/rudolph12.html
Where Are The Stop Motion Puppets Now?
One other question that I should answer here is: Where are the 'ANIMAGIC' Figures today? I did answer this in some detail in my CINEFANTASTIQUE Feb. 1999 article in their "100 Years of Stop-Motion" issue. For those of you that missed it, the 'ANIMAGIC' figures were made for animation puposes and not made to last or collect. The same can be said of RKO's KING KONG, etc. etc. The materials used were flexible and sprayed down with a type of flock to avoid reflection for filming purposes. The Spray had some acidity to it and eventually would cause the figure(s) to deteriorate over time. True, some do still exist in private collections (Arthur and Jules would give them to people they worked with), but all that I am aware of are barely hanging together. We will share some of the photos of these figures on our 'ANIMAGIC' web pages as we receive them....Donner is already there in many poses. Jules Bass explained "We did have a few re-creations made in lasting materials to display in our office, but the average life of a real 'Animagic' figure was about 6 months."
The only mistake with this one is that it's TWO HOURS LONG. Hard to expand the book or '74 special into more than an hour. Liked McKean, Goodman, Suplee, Griffith and Kane, but the special was not all up to par. 6/10.
shareKnew I had heard the name Mark Wolper before. He produced this garbage and also is a producer on miniseries sequels for North and South, Roots, Thorn Birds. Maybe next he can produce a Shogun sequel where all the samurai are bitten by the Pokemon card collecting craze of a few years back.
I give 'Film Without a Smithee Clause' 2/10 for not having a scene of Tor Johnson hitting his head on a doorframe.
Was it just me, or was this movie on crack?
share>>Was it just me, or was this movie on crack?
It's NOT you.
Between the over-polluted sets and costumes designed
to grate your eyes until they bleed,
the totally schreeched out fire and Ice guys
and the Bride of Frankentstein Elsa Lanchester Camera work,
this is a real trip of a Bizzaro World Christmas Special.
I'm reminded of the Christmas special in "Scrooged"
and other films where fabricated Xmas specials were produced
which of course were bitter mockeries.
I'm just waiting for them to show us the mice with the antlers stapled on.....
Omigawd the mullet headed Phys Ed dyke??
A Queer Eye makeover for a character named--"Sparky"??....god help us.....
The word "abortion" really comes to mind here.
I'm gonna have nightmares.
"the mullet headed Phys Ed dyke??"
First place:
That characer, evidently the Greek goddess Artemis, seemed to have a twinkle in her eye for the elf who was clearly attracted to her. So probably not a lesbian.
Second place:
Even if she was a lesbian, I thought that was pretty much "accepted" nowadays. And if she wasn't, then you're making a prejudgement based on a stereotype-- not too swift of you; nor is the use of the derogatory term "dyke."
Third place:
Actually, her sexuality didn't come into the story at all, but to deduce from Greco-Roman mythology, Artemis the huntress and goddess of the moon was celibate, so which way she might have leaned is moot.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement.
I agree with you about the homophobia in that statement and the negative stereotyping but actually I should correct you on that the Greek and Roman Gods and Goddesses were known for taking male and female lovers.
Not in any of the books I've read, and I ate up mythology books when I was younger. Which book did you get that out of? Zeus was known to seduce women whilst in animal form, but that's a whole 'nother, er... animal. But I never read about him or any of his kith and kin being swingers.
Now, as for the Egyptian gods.....
Well, best not to go there. And it doesn't relate to this discussion anyway.
And I restate that regardless of the doings of her fellow Olympians, Artemis lived a celibate life.
Funny word, "homophobia." Literally translated it could mean either "fear of the same" or "fear of man."
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement.
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Flip answer: Only the Jovian moon.
Serious answer: None of the books I read said anything about Zeus being sexually attracted to Ganymede, only that he liked the cut of the boy's gib and decided to make him cupbearer to the gods.
And from what I've just been reading online, it seems that the notion of Ganymede being Zeus's lover was only added after the tale had been told for some years, and likely for personal reasons on the part of the talespinners.
Still, that Zeus was a randy ol' bugger and no mistake!
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement.
SKFILMFAN:
Thanks; I did get my terms mixed up. *^^*
I have applied the necessary edits to my earlier post. (see earlier post)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement.
Mine too. The first time I watched the commercial for the remake, I was INSTANTLY turned off!!!!!!!!!!!
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