Why is it so hard to win the war with Vampire? - Priest (2011) Discussion

[–] ehbunner 12 years ago

Just guessing here but if I had to explain that fact I'd go with they moved to fast to get hit by it, I mean think about how slow a tank turret moves, and how fast they moved, and remember how he said you gotta know where it will be

It could be that they wiped out the tanks before they became proficient at using it to kill them( or in other words knowing where it was going to be)

Just one way to explain it if it bothers you

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[–] pking-2 12 years ago

Wait, they have tanks in this universe?

I thought they were fighting vampires with six shooters, which explains part of their lack of success...until they added "priest martial artists" to the mix.

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[–] Artemisia_Apollo 12 years ago

In the cartoon sequence they had cannons or something like that?

I agree with the above, these vamps moved way too fast to be caught out by slow moving technology or a human aiming at one place that it can move from instantly. Hence predicting where they would be at point B (from point A).

Technology appears (in the films) to have advanced a lot for whatever reasons, but given they had isolated themselves and their leaders were essentially in denial and/or useless... (their best idea was priests) so I they wouldn't have used super technology. I think one of the ideas is, Priests are in part so successful because they use their natural ability in what is mostly close combat and therefore really "warriors" of God.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find fast enough technology that could calculate all the trajectories the vamps could take and then aim at the correct or most likely place whereas trained/experienced people could just average this to the likelihood at a much faster speed because our brains are already built that way.

I suppose they could have had UV beams or something surrounding the cities for protection or aimed at where the vamps come up from the earth.. but then that would have defeated one of the major points of the storyline/film. Also, protection isn't the same as winning the war, they could just breed enough to send in to destroy whatever machine keeps the protective barriers up.

There could be a survival of the fittest element - although this suggests that eventually, even after a few of the best of each species survive, one species will outlive the other.

Maybe in the comics (I think its a comic?) not winning the war is in reference to that perpetual storyline about keeping the balance? How good/light will always keep fighting evil/darkness etc.

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[–] Blathnat69 12 years ago

Haven't you seen Star Wars? A dozen furry midgets take down the entire Empire...
Yes, tanks were shown (along with machine guns), but they seemed quite primitive compared to the tanks we have today. A large number of vampires could easily have overrun the tank and ripped it open, or they might have used one of those big beasties that was guarding the hive.
As people pointed out, tanks are slow, relatively inaccurate and have severe limitations like not being able to shoot lower than the cannon, so fighting an extremely quick melee force, who lived in a series of catacombs would be quite pointless.

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[–] goose03 12 years ago

ha! or like in Star Wars how Storm Troopers can't hit the broad side of a barn with a laser pistol. BUT in the prequels they were a crack squad of clones. Boy, their training must have gone downhill fast after the fall of the Republic!

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[–] Naldoman 12 years ago

The entire premise of the storyline ignores the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM:

Vampires can't exist in daylight. You bomb their hives. You bomb the hives all day when the vampires can't come out. You keep bombing the hives at night because you want to kill them all. Each day you pull down the shattered walls and bomb what's left.

Your cities make bombs all day and night. You bomb the vampire hives all day and night = FOREVER

You don't take a chance that some got away, or dug holes somewhere else or escaped to a cave.

You keep bombing.

...or if you like to use tanks, you open up from 2 miles out and start firing away. You do not engage vampires at close range. NEVER NEVER NEVER

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But you have ignore that to have a story, so they did.

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[–] aynatal2000 12 years ago

Well there are familiars. Quite sure there are military familiars, and spies and such.Remember that they also reached a point that fighting the war was destroying the world for both sides. Look at the apocalyptic plains and the fact that the humans went into cities -walled fortresses.Look at the prologue again.

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[–] Naldoman 12 years ago

Familiars are irrelevant -- the whole point of familiars is that they want to live with and emulate the vampire lifestyle, not live with and like humans and act as spies.

The prologue and the whole story ignores the whole nature of armed conflict. When you have OVERPOWERING WEAPONS you use them. Bombs and artillery are long-range weapons that can destroys entire hives without getting close. Vampires don't use machinery, they can't attack from miles away. All of this has to be ignored to create the world seen in the movie.

BUT!!!!! How were the vampires STOPPED in the movie --- durrrrr...with BOMBS!!! Are you trying to tell me they couldn't have don't that 100 years ago?

The old Priest didn't stop the train, he rescued his daughter, which was his goal.

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[–] AureliusBady 12 years ago

I agree. WW1 artillery and even primitive tanks would've been enough.
The vampires are fast and strong but can't rip through metal easily.
Remember in the movie they are unable to pierce through the train compartment doors?

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[–] jlenterprises 12 years ago

The reason they are not annihilated is because of the CHURCH.

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[–] Norm_uk 12 years ago

No one is stating the obvious.

Air Power...Vampires can't catch planes can they?

Cluster ammunition, land mines, fragmentation ordinance and a cordon of tanks backed up by multiple machine gun posts could contain a hive and destroy it fairly quickly.

Or a battery of sun lamps...seems they don't like the ole UV light that much.

N.

"You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts"

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[–] jlenterprises 12 years ago

As I stated earlier, humans could have destroyed the vampires, it was because of the church that they didn't. The church needed to be of importance and allowed the survival of the vampire.

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[–] bjmer 8 years ago

this has been done many times in "real" history - most often with little or no success

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[–] patrick-l-nolen 11 years ago

no need to go all high tech... during the day, drive your tank thing whatever over the vampire hutch, dump a ton of gas in it, and then light it up

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[–] mats-filipsson 8 years ago

Well the vampires are not stupid, you gotto understand that they are like parasites, 1 vampire goes into a city infects 10 people which in its turn, turn into 10 vampires, on and so forth, its dangerous to attack with footsoldiers except priests, thats why they were created, the only foot soldier that works against a vampire.

So if those 100 vampires was let loose in the big city, they would turn every human into a vampire, that is why the vampires cant be defeated with tanks and airplanes, they are pretty easy to hide from in hives or underground caves were no tank or airplane can get too, or as to say nuking it to he wastelands which has been done before.

That is why the vampires was so hard to defeat before, and nukes was the only answer, but at the same time humanity suffered for it, and they implemented a cleaner weapon "Priests" capable by the hand of god to defeat vampires wherever it might be.

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[–] bluerisk 8 years ago

That's the problem with this movie: modern military (remote controlled drones, smart bombs, IR/body heat trackers etc. pp.) would finish them within weeks.
And how would the vampires destroy the world if they can just slay humans?!

Ich bin kein ausgeklügelt Buch, ich bin ein Mensch mit seinem Widerspruch.
Conrad Ferdinand Meyer

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[–] mortenchristiansen2003 8 years ago

All those people who says bombs and smart bombs and so on. It doesn't work.

Any fight has to be won on the ground, leave 1 vampire alive and slowly you will get same problem, and I think this thread already said why you cant just attack with a whole army. Priest are the only soldiers that work on ground.

I'm guessing what they did for a long time was contain vampires with artillery and airstrikes and so on, but they could never win and sometimes lost a lot. It wasn't until priest they had an army that could fight the vampires and create a win scenario.

Basically there is a lot of stupid *beep* in the movie, but the needing expert soldiers for it isn't one of them, and the priest bit is also quite understandable because only people who believe in stuff higher than themselves would go for missions like this.

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[–] mamporrero 8 years ago

The whole premise is childish and not to be taken seriously. If humanity with WWI or WWII like weapons were losing the war then they would have been exterminated a long time ago, seeing as the opening states that there has always been vampires and shows middle ages warfare, and since vampires don't use technology they would have been as strong back then.

This is of course ignoring the fact that human history would have never progressed in such a way with vampires being the dominant species. Even if they left them live to feed on them, they wouldn't let them thrive to the point that they are advancing to the modern age and building cannons with which to bomb their hives. Since the lands around the city were too radiated to grow crops, it's safe to assume that humans got as far as to create nuclear weapons.

And of course, the elephant in the room: sparing the vampires and keeping them in reservations. These vampires don't have eyes, they don't speak, they are monsters that can't coexist with humans and almost caused their extinction. Other than to create a ridiculous cowboys and indians situation there would never be a reason to keep them alive.

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