Ending


Hi, what is the ending we supposed to assume...that she leaves her husband and goes back to her lover to Korea...then why did she engage in such an act for she said that it was bcos she cant see someone she loved most(husband) suffering...n yet at the end she leaves him to pursue her own happiness...did she leave her husband bcos he wudnt have approved of the child or because she started loving the illegal immigrant.....having so many questions i still liked the movie a lot...the acting by trio was really engaging and that too looked like without effort....

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that is the problem with a good basis and bad film making (way of filming is soooo commun...): you are right the acting was good...but it does not help the movie a lot; the cinematography was awefull...( and that is very rare in korea film making)

anyway about the ending : it's not important to know if she's alone or not, she has one kid and will have another one..maybe we're in korea maybe not...i just don't feel that the movie makes us want to know more about the situation..it just don't worth the effort in my opinion.

sorry for bad english

cya !

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ya may b....n nothing wrong with ur english pal...

c ya

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>>>the cinematography was awefull

i agree, I was filled with awe...

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it doesn't matter where she is and who she's with... she's happy. that's all it matters.

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Like a whore could ever be truly happy.

Hama cheez ba-Beer behtar meshawad!

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I assumed she was in Korea with the deported immigrant, because of the scene fading from the beach photo in his apartment to real life AND because her son had a Korean name, not like her husband's Americanized name. I think her husband's insistence on abortion and his threat of violence against her turned her against him (plus her love of the immigrant decided her towards him).

I disagree with the commenter about the cinematography - I thought the film looked lovely.

My very little quibble was not being able to figure out where she and Andrew were living in relation to Chinatown, plus that the illegal guy would more likely be living in Flushing Queens' Asian neighborhood than in Manhattan. I figured she might be in Brooklyn or Queens to take a cab in the city, but not clear.

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I had the same interpretation of the ending that you did, Noralee. Another reason I thought Sophie was probably in Korea with her lover was that she was wearing what appears to be a sapphire ring on her wedding finger in the beach scene, similar to the one her lover had been looking at for her back in NY. Sapphires are not common choices for wedding rings so I thought that might be another clue. I read an interview with the writer/director in which she said she had deliberately left the ending somewhat vague and open to interpretation to keep the focus on Sophie rather than who she was with.

I think another thing that may have turned Sophie against her husband is that it seems he was the one who alerted Immigration and had the lover deported--the Immigration officer knows Sophie's name and asks to speak to her, so it seems Andrew is the one who called in to report the lover. That is a very cruel thing to do to an impoverished illegal immigrant in a precarious situation, especially since Sophie was the one who initiated the relationship in the first place, not the immigrant, and her initial motivation was all about saving her marriage to Andrew. I can understand Andrew's being very upset about his wife's deception, but having the guy deported was a cheap and vindictive thing to do; it probably further helped turn Sophie away from him along with their confrontation on the staircase.

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I agree with the last two posts. The call was from Jihuh and the pan to the beach picture gave a nice transition. The ring was a nice touch. This way you focus on her being happy but get your answer. Finally the 2nd pregnancy let you know for sure that it wasn't the husband that she picked.

I liked the movie. I know that director wanted to focus on her happiness...but it would have been nice to see her with Jihuh and their son on the beach.

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I thought the Cinimitigrophy was excellent....But the awnser to the question {as everyone has said} is: she went to Korea. My reasoning besides what people have said is this.

'The Fish story' she tells her kid is the key. The Fish got blown from there positions in life {from the sea}. So her and her son placed them back were they belonged. That being a metaphore for her and the imigrant. Through out the movie she is saying how she was always trying to fit in to her husbands life style {going to church though she didn't want to}, not really belonging.

She was always worried about everyone elses happiness, now she has chosen to concentrait on her own. Back in her own comfortable enviorement.

I thought the ending was perfect; it didn't just give you the ending, though it made the ending clear with it's subtle clues.

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I agree (I think) with the above 4 postings, starting w/ Noralee. The ending confused me a lot on my first viewing, so the comments were helpful. O-S is right about the subtlety. The ring did not look particularly bluish to me, but did not look like a diamond either. The beach could be NY or Korea, but I lean towards Korea because of the other clues. Sophie had numerous reasons to leave husband Andrew, as her love for him came to seem increasingly dutiful. Despite the real hardships faced by Jihan, he was never self-pitying. When Sophie kept saying she loved her husband, Jihan said (rather calmly), "I know", which was more effective than arguing, because she did love her husband, though that love was changing. Also, remember when Sophie commented on Jihan's makeover of his flat, he said something like, "Sometimes you have to start over". I think Sophie took the leap. Nice that she looked directly in the camera for the final shot. The film is melodramatic but definitely an auspicious debut for writer/director Gina Kim.

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I'm simply not that observant. Never noticed her ring, or her look at the beach pic at the end. I figured she stayed with her husband and he got a donor...but that really bothered me (for obvious reasons). I'm very glad I can read others' interpretations! I loved this movie.

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Very insightful, o-s-forever. I think you are right-on target about the ending and all it symbology. Well done and thanks!

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Note also that the husband's calling the cops is a typical passive-aggressive "beta male" move. An alpha male, or an ariscratic-spirited man, would have walked straight in during his wife's adulterous session and punched her par amour in the face. Back in the old days, he would have demanded a duel. The decided beta-ness of her passive-aggressive loser husband probably also turned her against him. The illegal immigrant, on the other hand, was virile and young. Would you rather stay with some passive-aggressive i-banker?

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I agree with you ESLTeacher

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My wife was confused by the ending but I agree that she went with her lover to Korea. The second pregnancy, the beach that was like the one in the picture, the phone call from jail and the ring all brought me to the same conclusion. Also in the end credits the word Never fades and and the word Forever seems to linger longer than necessary. I did find the theory about her being in heaven an interesting take, however. A riveting film and Vera Farmiga is always good.

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I know you are serious.
I liked funeral guy's comment.
I have a lot of sympathy for recent immigrants, illegal or not, and I think the filmmakers in this case do too. Persons who entered the country illegally have to be very strong to stand up to the adversities they face here.

'No Human Being is Illegal".

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To treat human beings inhumanly is morally wrong by all means, in my opinion. You and I disagree on this issue.

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"To treat human beings inhumanly is morally wrong by all means, in my opinion."

You are correct. It was Andrew who had to suffer the consequences of the illegal being in the country, not the illegal himself. The latter, probably received God's gift when he GOT PAID TO HAVE SEX with Vera Fermiga's character.

What a joke.

What a DAMN SICK joke.

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Bur didn't the lady at the sperm bank say "no" on artificial insemination?

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Did anyone notice the use of the red and Jihah throughout the movie. He wore a red shirt in almost every scene, red motorcycle, Chinatown, etc... The last scene of the movie she was knitting with the color red and placed it across her stomach as if to imply that the current pregnancy was also from Jihah. Also the child on the beach had a red shirt on. I think it all meant she left her husband and fled to Korea. After he tried to make her miscarry on the stairs I think she knew what she wanted to do and that was be with Jihah.

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Yes, I, too, noticed the frequent use of the color red, especially associated with Jihah. Some additional examples were the red wall of the hallway leading upstairs to his apartment, the red plastic bags from the small store where Jihah bought groceries and Sophie bought a nectarine, the red flowers embroidered along the hem of Sophie's white peasant dress.

The scene near the beginning where Sophie was sitting in the hallway outside Jihah's door, waiting to make her proposition to him, was a study in gray and red. The wall, the ceiling, her trench coat, the red plastic bag. I thought it was a very aesthetically striking scene.

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Yes and that dress she wore had red embroidery on the bottom hem,,They even showed a close up of the fabric.

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I as think she was with the immigrant because she was knitting something using that nice orangeish red which he is typically dressed in through the film notably the scene where she imagines him visiting at their "celebration"

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I absolutely agree with one of the other commentators. Who cares? It was a movie with a bunch of cliches and it was just so predictable. I don't think the producers had any idea on how to finish it, so that's why the ending was so cheesy. The only good thing was Vera Farmiga's acting.

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I disagree, I do not think the ending was cheesy. It is done tastefully hense some viewers were not sure what exactly happened in the end. However, I noticed the sapphire ring and it all made sense to me.

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From an interview with Gina Kim, writer and director:

"I think it is quite clear that the baby in Sophie’s belly is Jihah’s, but I didn’t want to show Jihah, because it would diffuse the real question. For me, the real question was “Is she happy? Did she achieve what she wanted?,” not “Who is she with?”— which differentiates this film from the typical melodrama."

http://theunarchivable.blogspot.com/2007/11/interview-with-gina-kim-director-of.html

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From an interview with Gina Kim, writer and director:

"I think it is quite clear that the baby in Sophie’s belly is Jihah’s, but I didn’t want to show Jihah, because it would diffuse the real question. For me, the real question was “Is she happy? Did she achieve what she wanted?,” not “Who is she with?”— which differentiates this film from the typical melodrama."
Well...I'm with the minority of posters here who really don't care much about Sophie's happiness. When she went back to Jihah's AFTER she was pregnant I lost all respect for her. So to me, I could not care less about her happiness at the end. She wrecked her marriage and turned out to be nothing but a selfish little ho. I hope Jihah ends up dumping her for someone else. Yeah. That's the ending I'm writing for this film. Right before she's about to give birth to her second child, Jihah runs off to America, stranding Sophie in Korea with two kids and no money. It would serve her right.

"Love isn't what you say or how you feel, it's what you DO". (The Last Kiss)

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Well...I'm with the minority of posters here who really don't care much about Sophie's happiness. When she went back to Jihah's AFTER she was pregnant I lost all respect for her. So to me, I could not care less about her happiness at the end. She wrecked her marriage and turned out to be nothing but a selfish little ho.


What marriage? Her marriage was already on the rocks by the time she met the immigrant, and her husband wan't always nice to her throughout the movie. Andrew was distant, cold, tried to commit suicide, yelled at her, blamed her for him being infertile and wanted her to get an abortion. So Sophie wasn't selfish by any means, and was meeting her the immigrant for her husbads sake. Besides the fact that if it were a guy, nobody would be saying anything, and her husband deserved everything he got.

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