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The illogical nature of zombies


This is a list I've created from watching zombie movies and tv shows over decades

NOTE: The Walking Dead franchise disproves some of these examples BUT ONLY when it is convienent to the plot


Why does a zombie need to eat if it's dead? Instinctual needs aren't just limited to food, water, shelter, need for clothing and reproduction are also instinctual needs

Why is it a zombie only decomposses until it looks skeletal? after that point, they no longer decompose

The human body, left out in the open, depending on the ambient temperature will rot VERY quickly, to the point that muscles detach from the bone in days and all flesh is gone in weeks, esp. with animal or even insect predation. Meaning a zombie apocalypse will be over in 2 months tops if no new fresh bodies are added to the population

why don't scavenger animals feed on zombies? Sure, a zombie might eat larger scavengers like hyenas and vultures, but even flies don't feed on them

why doesn't zombie ever smell of rotting flesh? thousands of zombies might gather around a human refuge, but it's only very few frachises even acknowledge any smell to them on only when the script demands it

why do zombies never stumble over ANY terrain? Woods, rocks, street curbs, it never affect how a shuffling zombie keeps it's balance

How and why do large numbers of zombies ever travel in groups, or even find the last remenants of living humans, they can't speak or communicate in any way, but thousands of them can find the last few surviving humans. Even if the just stumble onto a sanctuary of humans, that's a hit or miss option for a group that can't even tell each other that "Hey, living people over here!"

How do zombies find living people? They can't smell them since a zombie doen't breathe and their own rotting flesh could overwhelm that smell anyway. They can't see them since the eyes cloud over within hours of death. they might be able to hear them since the ear might still function for a while after death but they couldn't determine if that would be a living or dead person next to them anyway

Why don't zombies ever finish their meal? They'll eat someone till they die and leave that corpse when it turns into a zombie but the rarely finish a victim off

If they eat someone, the flesh goes down their throats, but they can never digest food or expel waste like a living person can so you'd think that their stomaches would eventually explode from the sheer volume of flesh they eat but they never do

How can a group of zombies, no matter how many of them, break into any barrier when a living group of people can't, esp. given their decomposed nature? any barrier, wood, steel, concrete, etc. over about 4 1/2 to 5 foot tall should make it impossible to cross, depending on the strength and/or maintainence of the barrier

Why is it that the only way to "kill" a zombie is trauma to the brain? a zombie's brain is a dead organ and should be no more vulnerable than any other body part but if you destroy it's brain, you "kill" the zombie

what is the best place for a small group of people to seek refuge from a zombie hoarde? you need a large building, with few entrances that you can barricade, plenty of food and readily available weapons. the best places would be a Super Wal-Mart or similar "big box store", perferably with it's own electrical generators

Why is it that you hardly ever see a zombie animal except in the Resident Evil/Biohazard film franchise and these zombie dogs and crows move so much faster than the zombie humans

Why is it that in every single zombie franchise, film, book or other medium, the people who are survivors have never, EVER heard of what a zombie is or how to kill it or how to safeguard against it? Movie zombies have been around since at least the since the 1950s and voodoo zombies have been around a lot longer. But no one in a zombie franchise knows what to do about them for awhile

Scratches often result in infection, but being splattered and covered in zombie goo almost never does

We never see zombie epics set in frigid climates. Even if we made virus-apologies for the working of a zombie, cold temps will still freeze flesh, stopping mobility

What is the best vehicle to drive through an area of heavily populated zombies that you need to go through? Well, it depends on your needs

A main battle tank or ANY tracked vehicle of any era can easily go through a hoard of zombies, especially if it has some type of plow or road grader blade on it, it protects it's passengers and easily kills any zombie in your way but tanks and other tracked vehicles are notorious fuel hogs, a fully fueled M1 Abrams tank only has a range of about 300 miles max

A stryker vehicle might be a better choice if you want speed, range, protection, firepower and maximum capability for carrying survivors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker

Why is it that on many zombie franchises that someone in the group, usually one of the main characters either gets bit or a loved one gets bitten and they hide their condition from the others until they unexpectingly turn, usually during a zombie attack, resulting in another main member of the group getting bitten when they shouldn't have been?

If you know of any other inconsistancy in the nature of zombies that aren't listed here, please let me know so I can add it to my list

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Looking too deeply into the workings of story and plot can ruin the fun. Sometimes, you just have to sit back and enjoy the story.
True ... to take it literally may suggest that zombies do exist. Well, then you have tweakers, crackhead and the lot, and pretty much that amount to 'the living dead.'

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One of the best posts I've ever seen on IMDB... and this...

"The human body, left out in the open, depending on the ambient temperature will rot VERY quickly, to the point that muscles detach from the bone in days and all flesh is gone in weeks, esp. with animal or even insect predation. Meaning a zombie apocalypse will be over in 2 months tops if no new fresh bodies are added to the population"

... perfectly explains why a zombie holocaust could/would/should be over fairly quickly. Skeletons can't move without muscle and since muscle would eventually rot away leaving zombies immobile, the zombie population would decrease over time as you say. Since insects can survive pretty much every apocalypse going, all humans would have to do would be to stay safely holed up for a few months.

You have rather ruined zombie movies for me though... ;)

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Did I ruin them for you? Or did Hollywood do that for you and I just point out the flaws in them?

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Well zombies aren't real... so no, Hollywood didn't ruin them for me.

But I did enjoy your original post.

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But muscle can't move without oxygenated blood, and clearly an animated corpse isn't getting any of that. When the entire thing is impossible to start with, who can say when it would become impossible on its own terms. You know?

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So it's ok for you if.. let's say... a vampire glows in the sun? After all, they're fiction.

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"vehicles are notorious fuel hogs, a fully fueled M1 Abrams tank only has a range of about 300 miles max"

Considering on my Honda Civic i get roughly 270-330 miles of travel per tank (11 gallon tank), I don't see how that's a bad stat at all! lol. Perhaps you meant to say that a fully fueled tank uses up way too much fuel for the miles it achieves (miles per gallon ratio)?

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it's because for the 300 mile range, a M1 tank has a 500 gallon fuel tank

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I have said the exact same thing for years, and yet I still get into arguments with people who are convinced that a zombie apocalypse could happen. I have found that explaining how the circulatory system works is the best way to shut them up. If there is no oxygenated blood flowing through the veins, muscles cannot function. The only way a zombie like outbreak could happen were it to be a virus that targets the nervous system and makes the host go "insane". The body would have to function normally, and at no time could the heart stop beating or the lungs stop taking in oxygen. No rotting flesh, and killing them would be just as easy as killing a normal uninfected human being.

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there have been SOME living "insane" zombie movies before, ones in which the hosts are still, technically, alive.

28 days and 28 weeks later have rage virus "zombies". Zombieland had the victims exposed to a type of rabies. But most Zombie movies are the undead type.

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Re: Your quote. It is from 'Around the World in 80 Days'.

You're old enough to kill, but not for voting....

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Good post!

zombies don't really make sense, but what the heck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAIJ3Rh5Qxs

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Damn, I just hate it when someone comes up with logical questions that leave you scratching your head and asking yourself, "Yeah - why is that?"... it ruins the whole genre for me... now if you'll excuse me, I have to go make some nachos... The Walking Dead will be on shortly.

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A snowplough (just the simple bladed type) would be a very effective vehicle. No mess, no fuss, no getting bogged down in a horde.

A tank might be fun (discounting as you say the fuel usage, and not to mention the huge amount of maintenance), but what a bloody mess. All those leftovers jammed into every nook and cranny of the track/wheel system and making it reek.

And despite what people think, tanks do get bogged. They're not really designed to push through huge deep layers of meat and bone and slime. Once the tracks start losing traction on the goo built up underneath.....


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I don't think a snowplow IS a very effective weapon OR vehicle to mow down zombies. First off, it offers no more protection from zombies than any other truck would. If it stalled out and dies then so do you

Believe me, if you find yourself in a zombie apocalypse, you want as much protection around you as possible

I served in the US Army and I've seen tanks operate in DEEP mud, and any squishy bits, like mud (or flesh) can easily be washed off with a power washer

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You might take some steps to modify the snowplough and to reinforce windows etc, not that hard. You don't need armour that's designed to withstand direct hits from high explosive shells, surely? Armour which also makes your (oversize) vehicle colossally heavy which may limit your options for traversing certain bridges etc.

A tank can break down too, and realistically how much use are it's weapons against zombies (as demonstrated in the book in the chapter about the swarm in new York)?




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Remember though, a zombie doesn't JUST need to bite you. A scratch infects people too so if they can reach through the bars, then you're done for too

an upgraded truck is only limitedly effective, as shown in the 2005 movie Dawn of the Dead, when two mall shuttles were used to escape from thousands of zombies, most of the survivors died when they tipped over

Also an armored vehicle that can carry troops like a Stryker have small gun ports to shoot from as well

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It doesn't just have to be bars that can be reached through. there are other options, which also happily will still give you greater vision than a tank (what do you do in a tank when there's a zeek blocking the periscope?).

The people in Dawn of the Dead crashed (shuttle buses are far easier to roll than trucks, particularly with all that unsuitable top heavy armour they had to add to block all those windows) because they did the thing people do in zombie movies to force events; they drove like lunatics when there was no reason to.

I have no problem with a light armoured vehicle, but the point you were making was about tanks. I'd rather have a modified snowplough than a tank.

No matter what vehicle I have I want a blade on the front that pushes crap out of it's path so the vehicle doesn't have to run through or over anything, so why not one that's purpose built that way?






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tanks (in particular, M1 Abrams tanks), have periscopes for the driver, gunner and commander positions (there is a 4 man crew, the other is loader) and either of these three positions can give directions to the driver if his vision is blocked

I wouldn't recommend using tanks because, not only limited fuel range, but also they can fit only 4 or five people in them depending on what type of tank you have, also, tanks can be fitted with plows to overcome obstacles

The only need that I can really see the need for a snowplow for un-armored vehicles though is to push the zombies out of the way in case you're at the head of a convoy of normal vehicles though. If I was leading a convoy, and I had my choice of vehicles that comprise the convoy, driving through a densely packed herd of zombies, I'd use a convoy of strykers and/or buffaloes (the decepticon, Bonecrusher in the first Michael Bay Transformers movie is one such vehicle) or similarly armored vehicle

I don't think I would need a plow otherwise

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Yeah well without getting into specifics about convoys etc. in which of course you'd like a variety of vehicles, me just trundling around on my own or with a few people in one vehicle. A good sized truck type snowplough would be practical, effective and fun.




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how about one of these, with an armored cab, of course. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Seabees_compactor_roller.jpg

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lol I'm not sure I'd want to put up with all the scraping and hosing needed back at the compound after a romp through a crowd of undead.


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Horror concepts are inherently illogical. We don't fear the things we understand, but the things we can't figure out or are beyond our understanding. Trying to apply logic to that is an exercise in futility.

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Awesome posts, people!

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