I don't think this movie is going to be good.... I mean, apparently there are scenes of them in the bedroom, and I don't want to see that! And what kind of an example is that to give to all the pre-teens who are going to be watching??
The other Romeo & Juliet movies are with adult actors, not some teens who passed an audition....
Okay so.. since there is nudity & sexuality in this adaptation of a very erotic play, the movie won't be good? Come on ! Oh and you say.. "what kind of an example is that to give to all the pre-teens who are going to be watching??".. Yahh.. what planet are you from ??? I'm 17 and trust me, the love scene between Romeo & Juliette is gonna be wayyy less crude than what we, teenagers, live nowadays ! Juliette is 14.. And most girls lose their virginity around that age, if not younger. I think Normand Chaurette wrote a very realistic screenplay. Oh.. and you mention the previous R&J movies starring adult cast. In the 60s version, the actress playing Juliette was 14 (we saw her breats.. and there was a whole controversy about it), and the actor playing Romeo was 16(and we saw his butt). In the 1996 version, Claire Danes was 16, and DiCaprio was in his early 20s. Sorry, but you're wrong all the way ;)
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Well sorry if you endure how our world is corrupted nowadays. Sure, teens today are having sex before 14. Where do you think that comes from?? Today's movies in general are too obscene for my taste.
sharewow so you call sex 'corruption' ??
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no, what I call corruption is the public showing of teenagers' sex lives
shareWhy??? The sex scene between Roméo and Juliette won't be like.. hardcore porn! It's just gonne be two people making 'LOVE' because they LOVE each other. I wouldnt call that 'corruption'..
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I just feel like today people associate sex with love, and when two people are in love they have to have sex. That's the main message I got from those kind of scenes in movies. Sure, they're in love, but they're still 15 and 17!
shareActually they were 14 and 16.. But whatever. Why would they change one of the most important moments of Shakespeare's(!) most popular story..?
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Because it's wrong to see teenagers having sex, like it's something all teens do at 14!If they were older, sure, but I just think it's too young.
shareSex is wrong and anyone who watches that movie will go to HELL ! yah you're SO right.
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Took you a while to catch on...
No, that's not exactly my point. Do you see the difference between seeing adults having sex and kids having sex????
Even then, sex isn't something public! It's something intimate that should not be shown at the theatre.
But it's part of he story ! The same thing happened when they made the movie 40 years ago ! What did you expect ?!
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Well I expected the producers not to put a sex scene in a teenager movie. Is that so hard? Is it really that important in the play? Is the story pointless without a sex scene?
It just goes to say that I am discouraged by the French-Canadian movies nowadays since nudity and sexuality are no longer rated 13+ and up, nor mentioned in the ratings. In Babel, the japanese girl is basically showing her pussy, and the movie is rated G! Can you imagine a 12-year-old seeing that movie with his parents?
For Roméo et Juliette, they could have at least rated it 16+.
Yeah well actually I was surprised with the 13 rating.. I thought it would be a 16 or 18 movie. But whatever. To answer your question, NO the story wouldnt be pointless without that sex scene, but it wouldnt be the same. That scene IS useful to the story.
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And how is that?? How is sex that important in the story?
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Do you even know this story ?
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Yes I do. Your point is?
shareWell if you DID know the story you'd know why the love scene is important. Oh and btw.. you should learn english ;D
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Oh great. Please tell me how my English needs improvement! I speak fluent English, FYI.
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I am french canadian living in the english canadian world, and I would definitely say there is a cultural and moral relativism regarding sexuality, which translates into what we have in our cinema, and how we rate it.
From my humble perspective, we french canadians are more like european cultures, where nudity is not a sin and sexuality is in continuity with every other interpersonal and cultural practices. I see anglophones, on the other hand, as on average being terribly inhibited and repressed as a culture (not as individuals), where sexuality is taboo, no one talks about it unless they are very intimate (or when they're very drunk (!), another funny thing about them), and nudity is somehow 'offending'.
How is a naked body, male or female, offensive to the youth??? They are naked too, sometimes. And you know what, if you don't have mature conversations about nudity, relationships, and sexuality with your children, exactly how do you expect them to understand things to come in an enlightened way? Are they supposed to find out the hard way?
pg13, 16+, whatever ratings we have in Quebec - because we do have our own rating system, inspired by the european ones - they at least get assigned in a good fashion relative to content. VIOLENCE, on the other hand, that thing of fascination to Americans as seen in their cinema, and probably enjoyed by way too many non-American viewers, usually gets ridiculously low ratings for age groups.
So in the American-driven culture and morality most imdb-ers indulge in, it's ok to watch people shoot other people in the head at point blank, when you are 13, either in the theater, or at dinner time at home, but it's *not* ok to see people kissing, making love, walking around naked???
I fear conservative people, I fear inhibited, sexually repressed men and women, they *are* violence, violence to themselves, and violence to future generations.
Sorry if I'm completely mistaken about your intents and purposes, this is something I've been upholding in my everyday life, I can't understand the madness behind religion, tradition, and sexual repression. Nudity is aesthetics, sexuality can be the most beautiful act of communication between individuals (or it can be just for fun, why would that be wrong?). Violence, while fascinating, should never be glorified.
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k well um im just replying 2 wat snow flake or wtv is sayin um being as i saw it yesterday n im 15 n all the reviews i was hearings the love scene is so over rated u dont c anything when R+J r having sex n um k do u know the story of romeo n juliette wat do u thin k they r gonna change the whole story line for ppl who r afraid 2 c a lil sex scene rly immature ...its rly nothing it last ike 2 mionutes n u dont c anything ..its an exellent movie !!!
share^ ^ ^ Now here's an example of someone who can't write in English... -_-
sharePlease, explain to me how the sex scene is essential to the story. Don't get me wrong, I read the play, I just don't see why they couldn't have taken that scene out.
shareWell Snow_angel, I think that sex scene is essential to the story...the problem here is that there is just no story. I think the whole point of it is mostly that we don't need to see them in action. Just knowing that they are gonna do it should be enough. That's my opinion anyways. That version of the movie is just somehow pointless, because no relationship is actually shown. They see each other, the next time she goes to his swimming competition, and then they kiss, and finally they make it. I think that was really the problem... don't you think ?
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Hey Mara um where the heck r u from um may-B u shud learn how 2 spell bc I dint catch anythin from wt u said um
please would you at least try to be clear when you speak ?
BTW R+J was the worst movie I've seen this year (and I've seen Santa Clause 3) and is also the worst adaptation of R+J ever. IN Baz Luhrman's version, they start to kiss, Leo takes Claire's top off and you know they will have sex but you don't see them. You don't need to see them, and plus it didn't even look real. C'mon ! Excellent ? What was excellent about it ? The excellent screenplay and the incredible chemistry between R&J ? Charlotte's wonderful acting skills ? Or the fact that Mercutio was turned into a lousy homosexual freak that spends most of his time painting a truthfully disgusting naked lady and was killed, not defending Roméo, no, he was killed trying to seduce Tybalt... ugh...
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' I see anglophones, on the other hand, as on average being terribly inhibited and repressed as a culture (not as individuals), where sexuality is taboo, no one talks about it unless they are very intimate (or when they're very drunk (!), another funny thing about them), and nudity is somehow 'offending'. '
Why would that be a bad thing? To be totally honest, I'm a French-Canadian and I'm ashamed, in a way, of Québec's society today. I do agree with the anglophones, who at least have some form of public decency.
The one thing I really disagree with, it's the rating system. The movies are rated 13+ and 16+ usually for violence and horror, but nudity and sexuality give the movies a G or 13+ rating? That makes no sense. Ok, violence can lead to terrorism and bla bla bla, but you see it everyday on TV without age restriction!
By the way, putting age restrictions on certain movies is not 'sexual repression'. It's called decency.
And for the education of our youth, that's the parents' and the school's job. I learned a lot from both, and I was not allowed do see certain movies until I was 14. That doesn't make me 'sexually repressed'.
As a matter fo fact, I knew some kids at school that said something like, 'I want to have sex because everyone's doing it, and it looks fun, like in the movies'. They were like, 13... And they certainly weren't watching Disney movies.
I agree with you on this: ' Violence, while fascinating, should never be glorified. ' I never said we should promote violence; we should even be careful with those movies too, but that's another debate.
Basically, I just think sex has no place in teen movies.
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Personally, I think the rating system in Quebec is MUCH better than most places. Think about it, what's more natural: two people having sex (REGARDLESS OF THE AGE.) or people who go around shooting people for no apparent reason? I'd much rather see a PG movie with a bit of nudity that might encourage someone to have sex than a PG movie full of violence that might encourage someone to injure someone else because it's entertaining. Sex is sex, and whether children see it in movies or not, they WILL eventually have sex. It's a part of life. And so what if the movie shows them having sex? They're teenagers and they're in love. It's not just a "modern" thing, it's been going on forever. Romeo and Juliet was written over 400 years ago, and this is the same story, with the same characters and the same ages.
Also, Babel was rated 13+ in Quebec.
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Ok, I understand the point you're trying to make, but I'll tell you this: 400 years ago, girls would be married at 16, that was normal at the time. But now it's different! So don't you go comparing today's teens with teens in that era. It's a whole different story.
You'd rather see a movie with teens having sex way to young over a movie with violence. So if I understand your logic, you wouldn't mind seeing a movie with 10 year-olds having sex? Now you're gonna say, 'But that is just too young and there's a limit to what we can show'. Which is exactly my point: where is that limit? People don't see where the limit is today!
And I don't know where you saw Babel in Quebec, but I'm 100% sure that where I saw it it was rated G.
I don't think that 14 or 16 is necessarily too young to be having sex. I think it's your own choice to make, and if you regret it later, so be it, it was your decision. Also, I'm not comparing today's society to our society now, I'm just saying that the story has remained the same, and it has become a classic over the years, so why would we change it now simply because it might have an influence on some people? It's been the same for hundreds of years!
First off, it's technically not even legal for 10 year olds to have sex. And I doubt VERY much that you would ever see it in a movie, unless maybe the child was being molested, or if it was mentionned in passing but not explicitly shown. I think that there is a limit, but that it doesn't necessarily have to do with age. It has to do more with the way that sexuality and nudity is dealt with in films. It has to be done tastefully, not in a gratuitous way. I'm not saying that we should let 12 year olds watch hardcore porn, I just think that it isn't good to keep children completely sheltered from sex and nudity, etc. It's a natural thing, much more natural than violence.
Also, if you check the IMDb listing for Babel, it says 13+ for Quebec.
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You do know some horror movies are based on novels written some decades, even centuries ago? And you still think that it's an excuse?
And how many times have I heard that teens had sex and got STD's or got pregnant because they didn't know? They don't show that in the movies. Sex eduxation should be left to school and parents, not the theatre.
Btw, do you actually live in Quebec???
I have absolutely NO idea why you're bringing up horror movies. What's your point?
Like I said before, it's their own decision to make. They should at least try to make a well-informed decision, but if they don't, well, I hardly believe that movies are to blame. Sex education in schools usually focuses on abstinence, which isn't any better than movies. They try to scare kids out of having sex, instead of informing them of some of the dangers and telling them how to avoid them without resorting to abstinence.
Yes I do.
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Hello? At school they taught us all the protection methods for 5 years. Never did they try to scare us out of having sex.
And I still have my ticket for Babel, in the Kirkland Coliseum, on which it is written a big G in the corner.
At most schools, that's the method that they use. Fear and abstinence. Okay, so you were lucky enough to go to a school where they actually taught you about what you need to know. At my school, we also were taught everything, but not everyone is as fortunate. There are still a lot of schools where sex is looked upon as a sin and they feel it's a horrible thing to be teaching high school aged teenagers about safe sex.
I didn't see Babel, but according to IMDb it was 13+. Maybe it just depends on where you see it. I'm almost positive, though, that when I saw another movie, I saw Babel as being rated 13+ at Starcité.
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That's an assumption you're making. There are almost no schools left that are teaching abstinence. Except Christian schools I think.
IMDB can't know all the ratings of all the theatres, so I wouldn't base my facts on that... As for Starcité, I checked the movie showtimes on cineplex.com, and Babel was rated G there too.
I'm sure that not every teenaged girl who gets pregnant or has unsafe sex does so because she was influenced by a movie. Just because you know about the facts and the risks doesn't automatically mean that you're safe from them. There's always a chance of becoming pregnant or getting an STD, regardless of whether you know the facts or not. It has nothing to do with what is depicted in movies.
Starcité Hull. They're under Fortune Cinemas now and aren't listed on cineplex.com. I tried to find a rating on their site but I couldn't.
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Maybe that's true in Canada, but in George Bushie Junior's America it's all about keeping them from doing it -- unless of course you're a privileged politician -- then of course it's fine.
shareLE G dans le coin du billet veut dire "admission general" ce qui signifie que vous n'etes pas allee voir le film lorsque le prix d'entree est a rabais comme le mardi soir par exemple. Je peux vous assurer que BABEL est cote 13+.
shareHAHAHA c'eat clair que tu sais pas ce que ca veut dire! LOL... Si c'était un film de 13+, ca serait écrit '13+' en dessous du titre (et non dans le coin, erreur de ma part) et dans mon cas, c'était bel et bien écrit 'G' en dessous du titre du film.
shareDésolé de vous contredire une Xième fois, mais si le film est classé G sur votre billet c'est soit une erreur d'impression (ce qui arrive très souvent) soit une erreur de la part du cinéma. Je vous conseille donc d'aller voir sur le site de la régie du cinéma du Québec (en passant c'est eux qui classe les films!), http://www.rcq.qc.ca et vous constaterez que BABEL est bel et bien classé 13+.
shareIt's different because starting (in recent times) especially in the Victorian era we got this silly notion that children are like little unsullied angels, and the thing that sullies them is sex. It's ridiculous. Sex for all, at all ages, say I!
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I've just seen this movie and the sex scene is done in very good taste. It's far from being a porno movie. Shakespeare would be proud. It's very representative of the youth of today in Quebec, Canada.
shareWhich is exactly my point: too many pre-teens are having sex. Today sex is just something people do for fun, and for teens it has no meaning and it should be taken lightly.
shareWhy dont you go watch the movie and make yourself an opinion? When Roméo and Juliette have sex, it DOES mean something to them. The scene is actually really sweet. And the story shows the difference between their 'love' scene and 'just sex' as in the following scene Juliette's brother (Tybalt from the play) is having brutal and meaningless sex with some girl he doesn't even know. You defenately should see this movie..! The only thing I disagree with is the rating. It shouldve been rated 16+ - érotisme, violence.. But whatever.
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I think that everyone is right. Well at my school, we were taught different methonds of safe sex, and abstinence was the most recomended one. Well, when Juliette's brother is having sex with that hooker, that's kind of like society today, you have sex with a hot hooker, tell all youre friends and get glorified. "Good sex" doesen't exist anymore, for the exeption of Romeo and Juliette. The sex they had was just to show that they are madly in love and that's ok. It wasen't the climax of the story.
shareThe sex scene is far away from «bad and troubling» 'cause it shows what sexuality should really be like and like captainqwack said, the movie shows us the «porn-like» style of sex with Juliette's brother before the R&J scene to make us realize how awful is the image of sex that we usually get. I think its a great thing to show teens that kind of love scene instead of showing the usual bang bang of popular teenage movies.
Also, the scene is really realistic and may give a better idea of what its like to inexperienced child/teens. First of all, this is the best (and funniest) «removing of the bra» I've ever seen. That's not an important element, but I just wanted to share my impressions =P. First of all (for real this time), they make love in a sleeping bag, not out in the open with a bright light, which is usually the way a firt time is. Also, Juliette feels a little bit of pain at the beginning and enjoys it more and more, not by yelling and telling «oh, *beep* yeah», but by breathing heavier and faster, her mouth slightly opened and her eyes closed. I'll say this part in french cuz its a little bit easier to express my feelings in that language : Faire l'amour et baiser sont 2 choses très différentes et la scène de R&J démontre un réel partage, une découverte et tout se fait dans un cadre extrèmement approprié, sans aucune pression. Ils semblent être dans leur petite bulle d'amour non seulement lors de la scène, mais aussi avant et le lendemain matin. Ils font l'amour à chaque fois que leurs regards se croisent et cette scène n'est que le moyen d'exprimer par leurs corps ce que leurs esprits font.
Thats why I think every teenager should see this movie to get a good example of real lovemaking. The only problem is that R&J are not talking to each other during the whole movie : they see each other, they kiss, they kiss again and they make love. So, the movie doesn't gives an example of how you should build a relationship.
In general, the movie is really good, but the real reason I'm recommending it is almost only for the love scene, and a little bit for the «jeu de regard» of all the characters, that is really convincing and sometimes troubling (especially with the gay guy and the grand-mother)
^^ I absolutely agree with everything you said! The love scene between Juliette and Roméo was BRILLIANT! The bra thing was funny and cute, the two young people were beautiful to see, in fact it was the first really realistic love scene between young people that I have seen in a movie!
It was a real scene, a pure scene. They lost their virginity and it was really sweet!
And for the scene between Étienne and I don't remember the girl's name, well... it was interesting. You know, many people make love without being in love, it's a reality.
Sinon, j'ai bien aimé le film, malgré les petites faiblesses de l'histoire et du scénario!
"The bra thing"?
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