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The Vance Brother Who died at the beginning of VC


This has been really bugging me lately, but does any1 know if the Vance brother who died at the very beginning of VC was Vic or Pete, the other Vance brother?

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Its victor vance.

Sadely.

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Yeah its Victor Vance.It cant be Lance(I assume that's the other brother you are talking about) because he was in most of VC.

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No the other brother I was talking about was Pete, he's mentioned a few times in VC Stories that's why I thought it could've been him. I was just confused becuz at the end of VC Stories Vic swears he will never get involved with drugs again, and in VC the Vance brother who gets killed at the beginning has an accent and Vic didn't have an accent in VC Stories.

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Yeah, Vic Vance died at the beginning (if it was him). Its just that he looks way different and has a Hispanic accent, so he doesn't look or sound anything like the VCS version.

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Yeah, Vic Vance died at the beginning (if it was him). Its just that he looks way different and has a Hispanic accent, so he doesn't look or sound anything like the VCS version.
LOL -- "Vic Vance dies at the beginning of VC, it's just that he's a 350 pound Asian lesbian".

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I think it's left vague so you can decide for your own who dies, vic or pete. If you want vic to survive you can say pete dies

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but if vic dident die then its possible he'll be in future gta games? thats really confusing :S i dident even kno they had a bro named pete i guess cuz i aint played VCS


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I'm fairly sure that it can be either Vic or Pete whom was killed at the start of VC. Not only do VCS' and VC's 'Victor' look totally different, they sound different too.

In VCS, at the final end cut scene, Lance said he was able to get hold of a huge stash of coke, which turns out to be the coke that was fought over at the start of VC (in 1986).

Lance never says exactly whom was killed in VC, just 'one of his brothers'.
At the very very start of VC, when Tommy is picked up by Ken Rosenberg at the northern airport terminal, he says,'They're brothers. One does the flying and the other does the dealing. [or operates the business (or something.)]'

To quote Lance, when you rescue him from the Little Haiti Junk Yard, during the mission Death Row,'He killed my brother, what do you expect me to do, mow his lawns?'

Besides, Vic was probably tired of Lance's scheming and selfish ways of life and decided to break off and leave Vice City.

Having said this, the entire argument rests on the evidence concerning Vic that we are given in the original VC and from what I can tell, these two 'Victors' bear no resemblance whatsoever.

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My above post says how we know, and why. Read the quotes.

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He never says personally, but we are left to assume that it was Diaz's men in the beginning cut scene that ambush the deal, kill Lance's brother and take the money.

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I noticed another thing. I doubt it means anything and it is no way related to this thread but, Fernando Martinez...Jerry Martinez. Relation?

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I presume the empire collapses, 'just dies' or the cops take it down. If Vic left VC, then the empire would have collapsed also.

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That's also possible, but with the Mendez brothers' deaths, Diaz became the 'Mr. Coke' of VC.

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I thought about that too.

I would have to say 50/50. Vic is a true business man; if he decides to be in the drug business, he would do it properly. What I'm getting at is that he knew that Lance was selfish and scheming and so he probably half thought that Lance deserved what he got.

Still though, the prospect of Vance versus Vercetti is actually pretty exciting. Maybe San Andreas Stories can settle this, with a massive ending to the GTA III canon/era. A game where it is all about the ending.

Doubt that will happen, though. Sadly.

'Well, since you put it that way, I'm in.' -Niko Bellic

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So I come to a conclusion- it is not Victor Vance whom dies at the start of Vice City.

'Well, since you put it that way, I'm in.' -Niko Bellic

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Some excellent points made for both senarios (Vic or Pete being the one killed). While I'm of the opinion that Rockstar intends for us to conclude that it's Vic that is killed in the opening of Vice City, it bugs me that in that game, they gave one brother an accent, but not the other. It makes them not seem like brothers (but relatives, sure). I mean, I realise that siblings can have different accents from being raised apart, but it would have been nice if Lance had given a reason. If they weren't raised together and Lance mentions conflict between the two of them, it makes them having a cocaine business together seem a little less likely. *shrugs* Maybe that's just me.

Also, no one has mentioned something that I think is another piece of evidence for the case of Vic being the one killed. When Lance first meets Tommy in Vice City, he mentions wanting two things: revenge and "my dead brother's white lady." I believe this obviously a reference to Louise.

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it has to be pete vance who dies at the beginning of VC...I got several reasons to think this...people just need to pay attention to all the hints they throw in VCS


1.) Vic doesn't sound like, act like and doesn't look like the dude who died at the start of VC (which has already been said before many times)..so why would rockstar purposly make him completely different than he is in VCS..its not like they were forced to make him the main character in VCS..it could've easily been someone else

2.) Vic promised to never get into the drug game again..and I'm sure he had enough money to be set for awhile after he left vice city

3) Why do u think rockstar decided to mention another brother of all a sudden for the first time in VCS...that can't be just a coincidence

4) In VCS vic mentions their father was from the dominican republic..rockstar probaly purposley did that to cover up for the latin accent the dude had in VC...vic or lance didn't have any accent..but pete could've just been still living in DR or raised most of his life there...while vic and lance were raised in america (but I still don't know where vic and lance were living before they came to vice city)

5.) I don't think they would actually let you play as a character that u KNOW is going to die in the next couple years...it is just a video game but it would still have u like "what's the point of even getting this far"

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With all the money made by Vic throughout VCS, there would more than likely have been enough to cover Pete's medical costs and his assumed recovery from asthma would have propelled him to meet up with Vic and Lance. Victor left, presumably, leaving Pete with Lance and we can work out what happened from there.

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if that's the case then I don't understand why would rockstar be forced to make vic the main character n purposley make him not even really resemble the guy at all who died in VC...they could've easily atleest just made his face look the same...there were other characters (like lance) to be possibly made the main character in VCS..I mean..lance looked like the same person in both games..he probaly was more appealing than vic as personality goes...he could've been easily made the character you play as..it just doesn't make sense to me

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There is another, though unimportant, reason why it isn't Victor whom dies at the start of VC. Victor was 28 in 1984, making him 30 in '86, another possible reason for him not dying in VC.

'Well, since you put it that way, I'm in.' -Niko Bellic

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Does the Vance brother that dies at the end of Vice City look older than 30? If not, then what does it matter that he is 30 years old 2 years later in '86? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to clarify that's all...



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It is Victor.

Go to the official Vice City website. Under the criminal tree it has Lance and Victor Vance listed on there.

Victor is the head of the Vance Crime Family, which only has two members by 1986 (because Victor disbanded it, he was merely tying up his last loose end which, unfortunately, resulted in his death)

If you want to think it is Pete because of a simple retcon, go ahead. But for all intents and purposes, it is supposed to be Victor. That was the whole point of Vice City Stories playing out the way it did. Victors story was a tragedy, and it only ends on a logical stand point with his death...

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Whether it is Pete or Vic, the whole connection between the beginning of Vice City and the end of Vice City Stories is a retcon, so it doesn't really matter anyway. There is enough evidence there to support either argument so I would think that it is up to individual gamers to figure it out for themselves...Lance is a jack-ass anyway and I'm glad that I killed him at the end with a couple of grenades!


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Well I've drawn my conclusion, ages ago, and it really doesn't matter.

'Well, since you put it that way, I'm in.' -Niko Bellic

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Wow, you're just full of yourself aren't cha?





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I apologise if I was too easily misunderstood.

I meant for myself, it didn't really matter.

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LOL Whatever you say dude...




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Sorry but i think people are seriously grasping at straws here and are forgetting VC, don't you remember Lance said to Tommy that his brother used to treat him like a fool and kid etc. Its obvious he was implying Vic who indeed used to treat him like that as we see in VCS. The reason why he has Hispanic accent in VC is because at that time they didn't have any plans for Vic Vance so they just used any old accent and they didn't really cared what the character looked like. Just because Vic looks different in both games means nothing, don't you remember GTA 3 and GTA LCS ?? Tony looked different as well in the face and weight wise.

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I agree with your view. I think that I'm having trouble accepting it because I actually got attached to Vic as a character; and it bothers me that a nice guy, that you actually go through the trouble of leading to victory at the end of VC Stories, gets blown away so easily at the beginning of VC. It should've been Lance that got blown away 'cause he was such a jacka$$...it's a damn shame that Vic gets wasted like a dog and without a fight...



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I agree i liked Victor as a character as well i think it would have been better if Lance would of died then Victor could have been partners with Tommy. Victor would have never screwed Tommy over plus he would of been good man to have on your side.

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Yeah it would've been better if Lance died, but then RockStar wouldn't have that twist at the end, where Lance betrays you and leads the Liberty City mob of Sonny Forelli coming after you. But the worst part for me was that Lance was such a *beep* and Victor had to bail him out of everything. Victor was smart and always thought ahead...I just can't believe that we are supposed to accept that he gets killed off so easily while the dumb-a$$ Lance manages to escape. He couldn't take care of himself and it was only through Victor's brains that he got Lance out of trouble all the time...not only did the worng brother die as far as likeable characters are concerned, but the wrong brother died simply from a logical point-of-view...it defies logic.



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And the fact that it doesnt make sense to me that u have to play as a character that u know is going to die 2 years later..its kinda like why bother even building this character up..i dont know why they chose that character IF he was the brother who died in the start of vice city (because actually i still stand by saying pete died)

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I didn't think that anyone else thought exactly the same way I did about this topic, but it looks like you do! :o)

I agree with everything you just said 100%, especially about Pete. You make excellent points.






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You guys are all retarded. Look at the voice actors for Victor in both Vice City and Vice City stories.

Yup, it's the same guy.

Geez, ever wonder if maybe, correct me if I'm wrong, the voice actor might have decided to change voices between games? I mean, his voice in Vice city was really stupid sounding. I'd change it too.

Also, Vice City listed that character as Victor Vance WAY before Vice City Stories came out.

Argument Over.

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Wow. Grade-school insults and megalomaniac arrogance all rolled up neatly into one little insignificant package. Who would have thought that it was possible?




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I started thinking that it is Pete that was killed when i beleaved it was Vic I didn't want anything to with VCS cuz why play a guy that is going to die. If it is Vic that dies in VC they should have gone with someone else in VCS like Phil Cassidy. We know from VC, LCS, & GTA3 h dont mind killing & at the time of VCS he would have had oth arms.

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nope its victor rockstar confirmed it

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