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Should the church get rid of celibacy?


Im curious to see what people think about letting priests get married/have relationships?

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In a word........ yes..........Early Popes were married. I don't understand what the big deal is.

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It was done to save money and look what it caused.

When the Catholic Church was expanding, it would be far cheaper to support a single man than an entire family.

There are some Catholic Churchs that don't follow Vatican II, still give mass in Latin and are married.

And since priests give marriage counseling, it would be better if it was a prerequisite for them to be married!

-Kay

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That was one thing I never understood; how the hell can you offer someone advice on a topic you know nothing about and can't even begin to understand?
I think they should be married. =/ Or at least have the option to get married.

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"how the hell can you offer someone advice on a topic you know nothing about and can't even begin to understand?"

Well with religion this problem goes pretty far beyond sex and marriage.

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<< In a word........ yes..........Early Popes were married. I don't understand what the big deal is. >>

It would create a lot more wholesomly happy people on the planet, so I'd see that as progress. It could also attract a higher calibur of people who want to serve as priests or nuns, but don't because they don't want to become dead, sexually (a rather inhuman demand)

But the church would never allow this....as it want the priests and nuns etc. to leave all their personal property to the church, and not a surviving spouse, or dependants.

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Yeah, I think they should be able to marry.

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three basic human needs for a healthy existence - food, sleep, sex

Take any one of those away and all hell breaks loose (pardon the pun). Sexual repression and control isn't good for any human, especially men, who tend to have a higher sex drive than women. It's a ridiculous "rule" that should be forgotten.

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The idea that men have a higher sex drive than women is completely baseless and ridiculous but otherwise, I agree with you. Sexual repression screws people up. And what's more, what kind of crowd do you think you're going to be attracting with rules like that? A man who would give up not only sex, but all the connections and intimacy that come with being able to pursue relationships? Most likely some kind of loner weirdo that likes having power over people better than he likes actually relating to them.

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Changing the rules may help some of even most of them, but there are some like O'Grady that were pedophiles before they were a Priest and remain basically the same. I think they need to screen them better before they ever get in the Priesthood and do a much better job of policing their organization. And we can't forget that one of the sex offender Priest's biggest asset is that their victims are raised to believe that a Priest can do no wrong, that they are the voice of God and as such are raised higher than ordinary people.

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No, it's not. Biologically speaking, men are more prone to sexual promiscuity due to the fact that they are able to pass on their seed, produce more, and continue doing it. Women, on the other hand, are born with a very limited supply of usable eggs, and therefore have to be more cautious about whom they choose to invest their genes with. Which is why in nature you see female animals choosing males based upon their display, while males are content with any female who will have them. It is because males can waste a little-or a lot of genes with an unfit female and go on to many other females, but females can't do the same with males.

However socially and psychologically it's not baseless either. Women have been reinforced since the Victorian era that sexual voraciousness is a male quality, and that women are supposed to say no, and be the moral pillars of society. Hence the excuse "boys will be boys." So women repress their sexual urges more frequently than men, because they won't be forgiven for them.

I think it's all quite stupid, and needs to change. But they are based on studies and history.

Now, I do not agree with celibacy in the church. We are all human. Heck, part of the biological classification of a living being is the ability to reproduce. You can't tell me that suppressing one of the 6 biological traits to be categorized as living is healthy. It just breeds contempt, and you can't maintain the state. So eventually when you give into the need to have sex, it blows up. Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, I believe all Protestant religious officials are allowed to have spouses. And look, whenever you hear of a molestation charge about a Christian religious leader, 9 times out of 10 it is from a Catholic official (I am sure Protestant religious leaders have molested too, but obviously there is a frequency pattern here.) In fact my one major complaint about Catholicism is the fact their religious leaders can't have sex, well, and their rigid belief about birth control.

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wat i think is that, part of the reason that so many priests commit sexual crimes, can be attributed to the policy of forced celibacy. i mean, priests are normal human beings just like ourselves, how would they feel if they cant enjoy sex like normal people? they also have sexual urges like everyone else, its cruel that they r not allowed to enjoy something so ordinary and natural.

i'm not saying that they shouldnt be blamed or be exculpated for their execrable behaviour. wat im saying is, it can be understood as to why those priests develop into such a state. so i totally agree that priests should be allowed to lead a normal lifestyle, we shouldnt be going against nature or bad consequences will surface as evidenced.

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There is a real issue here where people have copme to mistake chastity for celibacy. The church forbad preist to get married (celibacy) so that their wives could have no legal right to inherit their spouse's property. The church has never said that priests should be chaste (which is no sex). The Bible has it the other way around.....no sex before marriage, but marriage was encouraged, even almost obligatory for a man of the right age. To my knowledge, most if not all of the disciples were married, and there are arguments that Jeshua (Jesus) was married in the time between 14 and 30 or so, which the bible and gospels do not refer to his life.

The church should allow their priests to marry of course. At the very least it will give them some perspective on married life and its rpoblems so that when they are conselling married couples, they will know what on earth they are talking about.....

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Of course, the priests should be able to marry. A great therapist I know is an ex-Catholic priest very happily married. He became an alcoholic while a priest and very depressed, partially because of the prohibition against sex.
And because he is ACTUALLY a Christian as opposed to a sycophant, just looking for a respectable free meal.
"He who swaps his liberty for the promise of 'security' deserves neither." Ben Franklin

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I would like to see a documentary that focuses more on the *causes* of this epidemic in the Church. This documentary touched on some, but only briefly - for example, the Catholic/cultural belief that sex is inherently bad, the stunting of generations of clergy's psycho-sexual development, the church's power structure and inherent belief that God himself has placed them in power...

This is a BIG problem and the only way it's going to be fixed is if the Church decides to really overhaul itself - which I don't see happening because it would mean a loss of some power over the faithful. Sad to say it, but it seems like some in the upper echelons of the Church dearly love their money/power and will not do anything that may jeopardize it.

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yes It's a stupid man made rule

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yes It's a stupid man made rule


The Catholic Church is full of them. Where in Jesus's teachings does it say you must confess your sins through a priest, and say hail Mary's? Where in the Bible does it say there is pergatory? Where in the Bible does it say Mary is to be worshipped on an equal footing with Christ? The list is endless....

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Absolutely.
I don't see anything wrong with nuns getting married either.

Nor do I believe in the idiotic notions of "unhallowed ground" or babies that go to hell because they weren't baptized or some other gobbledygook.
The God I believe in does not send innocent children to hell.

Sorry, but the catholic church is messed up.




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If the problem were priests having affairs with adult women you would have a point. If all of a sudden you could not get married would you grab a little boy or girl? I don't think so. For too long they let the wrong type of person in the seminary. There is evidence the priest in the movie abused before the priesthood. You also have to remember that most cases of abuse were with older boys. They were too old for the pedophiles.

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If what the documentary said was correct about marriage being banned because the church wanted the money for themselves, then yes. And if this so-called "celibacy" is causing all this pain and suffering of thousands of victims, then yes.

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Men like O'Grady would not be helped by that at all. He admitted that he has had sexual relations with grown women before only to have access to their children. He has never wanted to be anything other than a pedophile.

In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.

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Yes, I think that the celibacy should be voluntary.

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