Also, when he's talking about the letters he's sent, inviting his victims to visit him (in Ireland, no less, like they'll just plunk down money for that!), and he says, "I don't expect them to hug me, but I think they'll shake my hand, and say 'Okay, this is over,' and wish me the best..."
Mmmmmmmmmm-HMMM............Keep dreamin', 'ol chap!
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Midwesternman
14 years ago
I really don't think he sees what he did to them as very harmful. I remember reading an article a few months back about a pedophile rights group that has several members that like to loiter about in chat rooms frequented by minors. One of these men had said something sexual to one of the teenage boys on there and was shocked when he received an angry response, as though it had never occurred to him that children and young teens actually DON'T want to have sex with adults. These creeps live in their own fantasy world and don't even realize it.
every day may not be good, but there is good in every day
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cookiela2001
14 years ago
Yes, they do seem to have a different reality. They would have to, wouldn't they?
About 10 years ago, I read a review of some documentary on the NAMBLA group (who are all about saying it's just fine for grown men to have sex with little boys), and the reviewer mentions some disconcerting moment when one of the memebers, who sounded like some shaggy, unabomber-type recluse cretin, insisting that little children were constantly "eyeing him" suggestively, and making non-verbal overtures.
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This was some private reality he'd invented to justify his belief that children really really want to be intimate with adults (specifically, HIM) and it's some kind of 2-way street.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!
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Midwesternman
14 years ago
If you ever want to have a glimpse into the twisted mind of a pedophile, I found a discussion on Kylie Freeman aka "Vicky", the daughter of Kenneth John Freeman, whom is currently spending the rest of his life behind bars for sexually abusing his own daughter and then posting the videos on the internet. I have to warn you though, some of the posts on here are absolutely disgusting. (I have been posting under my first name, Al.) Some of these people post fairly graphic descriptions of these videos though. It just shows you how messed up a human being can really be, the way some of these people try to justify what this man did.
http://hitsusa.com/blog/201/kenneth-john-freeman
every day may not be good, but there is good in every day
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cookiela2001
14 years ago
Oh dear. Sounds rather GRIM. I wonder if this man's daughter has any kind of an okay life today. I hope so.
Two other moments in this documentary that are strange are 1.) When crusty old Monsignoir Cain rubs his teeth in that nervous, rat-like way during his deposition, and 2.) When Archbishop Mahoney wears a sling on his arm to his first deposition. (What a nice bid for sympathy. I want to see the doctor's note!)
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beezlebub55
14 years ago
I found all of the deposition scenes unnerving. Just the way O'Grady talked about them like it was not a big deal.
And the higher-ups fumbling like they didn't know what the person asking the questions were talking about. How can you look at yourself in the mirror knowing you're responsible for something like this?
And I CRINGED when he started writing those letters. Seriously?
I'm goin to Shaboom's!
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cookiela2001
14 years ago
The letter business isn't so awful in theory...but he starts making it into this thing that's sick and all out-of-whack.
I guess someone might find some comfort in an abuser acknowleding that what they did was wrong, firsthand.....but anything beyond that, even "I'm sorry", just gets very weird. Why should they care how the abuser is feeling, one way or the other? What does "I'm sorry" do?
Maybe even hearing from the abuser that they know that what they did was wrong is useless. Obviously, it was wrong. It doesn't depend on how the abuser feels about it, or sees things.
Maybe a letter saying "You can come stab me to death" would be okay.
It's hard to think of what could be in a letter like that that would actually be of any use. But then, I haven't gone through what these people have.
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random_guy2
14 years ago
Yeah, the depositions scenes were often chilling. The one I found especially disturbing was with Mahoney, when the interviewer was clearly becoming upset with his stonewalling "I can't recall" answers and asked straight out, "If a priest in your charge was raping children, do you honestly think that is something you would forget?"
And naturally his lawyer objected and he never had to answer.
I think the saddest scene overall for me (particularly as a Christian) was Bob Jyono saying that the whole thing had made him realize that there is no God, and his daughter starting to weep at that statement. That is ultimately what is most tragic -- the entire lives of these men were meant to be devoted to serving God and leading others to Him, and everything they did had the exact opposite effect.
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xPhenomenusx
13 years ago
I'm not very religious but that moment got to me too.
Deliver Us From Evil- 9/10
Eclipse - 7/10
OT
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bite_me_loser_86
13 years ago
Wow, I just read through a lot of the comments on that link you provided, Midwesternman, but I couldn't get through them all because they made me physically sick.
I was completely shocked and disgusted to see the MULTITUDE of people posting there trying to justify the abuse. I haven't seen the Vicky vids, but the idea that it's okay to have oral and anal sex with your 10-year-old daughter if she is a smiling and happy participant just amazes me. It troubles me to see so many people posting there seeming to be of that opinion.
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