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why does everyone hate the ending?


i really don't gt get whats to hate about the ending.
no-one said u cant have a love story in a film that's selling point is martial arts.
in fact, thats what made it different from ur typical, oh that was cool and that's it lets go get more food film...it made u think of how there could be more to it...when they were burning her shoes right after the clip abt her talking about ferragamo shoes.
it was good enough to keep ur attention wiv the fighting, but carry on a subtle love story =D
though, that scene with the gurls hugging in the toilet, was weird. and kinda random wae to expose their past.

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Well, if you think about it, it was tried to be sold as a Martial Arts film, when this really wasn't. This was more of an Action Drama like The Killer.

The ending was perfect as how everything goes to hell when someone deceives. No resolution, so forgiveness, no compassion. Just vengeance and death.

Or maybe the writer and director has a knack for depressing story lines and possibly depressed themselves.

Although, it's not without faults. The script was somewhat cheesy and some of the scenes were a bit cliche (he loses, thunder and rain...wow).

For what it's worth, it was a great film. I don't know how people don't like the ending, either.

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(Spoiler warning: if you have not seen this movie, get away from this comment now. If you have, read at your own risk, but you will be disappointed in the ending. God knows, I was)

Okay, I'm gonna be real right here, right now. The story was good, the action scenes rocked da' house but the ending was a total letdown. I'm like, 'Come on now! Jacky just went through hell and the girl he was with was unfaithful and she killed herself when Jacky told her how he felt about her. And when he tries to get payback on the people who screwed him over, he gets gunned down'


I got really peeved at that: this is twice now that I've seen Jacky die in a movie and I really hate that...he's the hero in this, so why does he have to die? I mean, if Tin was willing to reform, there would've been no problem, but instead she thinks she can erase everything with her own death. As a result, Kong goes on a rampage and dies trying to restore her honor, oblivious to the fact that she had been whoring and messing around the whole time.

Well, I'll be honest: if there was an alternate ending to this film, there would've been know problem, but I felt that the two lead characters dying was just too bland. Tin should've just embraced the fact that she had gotten too greedy, damage was done on both sides and that she should just live with the secret...Kong wouldn't have known and if he eventually found out, so what? They breakup, they makeup, and life should just go on.

Had the ending been better, the movie itself would've been more tolerable.

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I completely agree with spywatcher. That had to be one of the most atrocious endings I've ever seen. Everything in the movie lead us to believe that Kong was this goofy, all-forgiving, benevolent soul. Would be it be that hard of a stretch to see him forgive her? Not at all. The fact of the matter, is that when I saw her suicide, I had to rewind it, because it was so atrociously placed. I mean, it's almost comical - that's how bad it was. And then the ending? I can't help but infer that the director shot the happy ending, and then flipped a 180, deciding that his movie didn't have enough lasting effect and drama. Therefore, he decided to follow the trend of recent asian movies and have everyone die. On a sidenote, what the hell was that scene with them sitting underneath the overtly starry night? I couldn't stomach the dialogue because I felt as though I was suddenly watching A Walk to Remember... hmm...

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Thanks pharcy, I'm glad you agree. It's like that movie 'First Blood'...when Rambo was originally suppose to die, everyone was either in an uproar or they were just like 'what?' When the producers and director saw this, they said, 'nah, we need to end this on a good note' so they turned around and had Rambo live.

That's how they probably should've done it with this film: seeing Jacky get capped like that was wrong. Here's how the ending should go in my opinion:

1. After Kong tells her how he feels, Tin breaks down and admits that she was unfaithful to him. Kong, all-knowing, says that he knew from the start, but because she chose to be honest right then and there, he chooses to brush aside what she has done so that they can start fresh. Also, Kong's leg should've healed so he could get back to training and he and Tin could have an honest living.

2. Or...Tin confesses and Kong is heartbroken. He is unable to look at her anymore because of her unfaithfulness and he tells her to come back when she's ready to be honest. Kong goes to stay with Captain and to try and have his leg fully healed so he can train in Beijing. Tin shows up and she has cleaned up her act...Kong, statisfied with her decision, rekindles his love for her and the two stay together in Beijing.

It's kind of like those video games...you should choose a certain path in order to get the ending you want to see. What do you think the ending should have been like pharcy?

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It was a tragedy. Too many Chinese movies now are ending in tragedies. Some really good movies, but with very sad endings. I hate that they have to make it like that. This movie was good, but now I feel depressed. I'm gonna watch some Drunken Master to cheer me up.

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Had she been a bit more of a sympathetic character or if this was an overall more dramatic movie, then I might like the ending better but I felt little for her even before I knew she was screwing him and her friend over. Plus, I didn't think what she did warranted suicide. All that did was show how weak of an individual she was in that she would rather run and hide from her problems than face them head on and own up to what she did.

And this basically being a run-of-the-mill martial arts movie (with some top notch action albiet), the two plots kind of cancelled each other out.

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I like the ending more now than when I first watched it. Took me awhile to appreciate it but looking at the filmmaking and storytelling style from a cultural perspective, I like it alot more now. A hollywood version would have tried to clean it up and make it a happy ending. This was a tragedy with a lesson about love and deception.

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so either way u think they should have lived happily together?
wouldn't that be a tiiiiny bit cliched and unrelaistic?
i think this ending had a bit more substance to it.

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i dont know abt the whole trend of asian movies killing everyone off..but even if he could forgive her..Tin cudnt live wiv it..i dont think its that easy to forget wat sh did to him, its not simple lying..its betrayal and continuing it even tho sh knew of all the harm its doing him. so when he delivers his i;ll still love u no matter wat speech sh cudnt stand it no more and the guilt pushed her over the hedge - literally.and d scene at the end symbolised dem being together afta death.it was cheese but cud b counted asa happy ending?

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The ending was realistic. It doesn't matter if he's the "hero".

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I finally got to see the movie. I didn't think the ending was THAT bad. The ending was more of a typical love-tragedy rather than happily-ever-after.

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I loved the ending.

I thought it was going to be some stupid cliche happy ending, and then....wow, it wasnt.

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I hated the ending. The fights scenes were in the wrong place. The last fighter was no where as good as some of the previous fighters. The 3-on-3 fight or one of the others should have been the final fight. The love story and plot about the other girl who was prostituting herself really slowed down the movie.

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Good points! I liked that...I admit, the lovey story did slow things down, but had they made it more interesting, it would've given Kong a bigger better reason to fight.

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Kong was fighting for someone he loved..isnt that a good enuf reason?

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The ending sucked. I was like WTF! Completely off guard. Considering its a martial arts flick it just seemed misplaced. I could see the girl dieing. But him dieing in the end? It was just out of place.

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Well...yeah. That reason was good...but Kong's character is a little naive to the truth and has no clue that he was being played and set up for a huge fall. And his lady friend is kind of responsible for that just a little bit...

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the ending is typical of asian movies, they are normally all over the place at times.

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This is an old thread but my comment is going to extend , partly, to many other movies from China (incl HK).

The point of the movie is one of anti-consumerism, the girl does all she does because she wants money to buy stuff. From that notion everything she does is purely about money and the moral of the story is that it is not worth it, that faithfulness and good qualities are enough to make you a worthy person. This is a recurring theme through many characters in the current wave of Chinese films and you often see villains from mainland motivated by blind greed even as small characters. The reality is that mainlanders have an insatiable lust for money and luxury goods, really clashing with the somewhat communist ideal that China still pretends to uphold.
China is very strict on script control and the characters being tainted by capitalism have to suffer the consequences. This is really what the movie ending is about, hence the symbol of western brand culture (ferragamo) burning at the end.

There's also an element of Asian philosophy which one could describe as karma, or cause and effect, where one does reap what they sow. None of the "winner takes all" propagated by Hollywood and the west. And you can also add a critical look at the power of money, beyond the politics, where if you are poor in China, you're basically screwed and will always be at the low end of society.

I have no idea if the director and writer were given much of a choice in any case.

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Everyone's already given their opinions about the ending and I agree with most of them that it really seemed out of place and silly.

It wasn't just the ending though. The whole story with the other girl who prostitutes yourself had me confused too. That may have been the subtitles though because they were pretty bad in the version I watched. But I couldn't understand that part of the story at all.

One minute they're friends and she's giving her advice on how to prostitute herself better and the next the goofy guy who loves everybody is calling her a slut and Tin is angry with her and none of it makes sense. Not to mention the confession in the bathroom, which, as someone else said, came out of nowhere.

Anyway, the story was all over the place, but I still liked the movie until that ending. Still, not a bad movie overall.

Poorly Lived and Poorly Died, Poorly Buried and No One Cried

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