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Not even good propaganda

posted 15 years ago by bill-mcclure
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If you like low key propaganda, this is your film. Firmly lacking any scientific evidence, it plays on simple picture association to attempt to make a case where in a majority of scientists mind, there is none. I find it odd that most of these scare masters have quieted their shrill call with the cool year of 2007, and cooler than average 2008 so far. What do the FACTS show, not inconvenient half truths, omissions, and picture associations. I watched this and found that only extreme journalists and activists, were featured for opinion, not one true scientist. Oh, Dr. Heidi Cullen is featured as a "token" "scientific" opinion. Here is what a climatologist (as opposed to a weather woman) had to say about the good doctor: "Dr. Heidi Cullen needs to keep her opinions to herself. If she believes in the global warming scam, more power to her. But when she made the statement recently "that the American Meteorological Society should revoke its "seal of approval" from any television meteorologist who does not believe in man made global warming", she is treading on political "thin ice". While I've noticed a bias on TWC towards the PC global warming trend, increasing numbers of scholars and experts are in disagreement. While Dr. Cullen is entitled to her opinion on this matter, to have a view as radical as hers does not reflect well on a station that is supposed to report the weather, not UNPROVEN theories. This is a highly debatable issue, with NO PROOF WHATSOEVER in its favor. On the contrary, there is more evidence that the latest weather trends are following solar activity rather than "greenhouse gases". The goal of science is to investigate and prove or disprove theories based on data and facts. If it weren't for free thinking scientists moving away from the ideas of the "status quo", then we'd still believe the sun was revolving around the earth. Come on Dr. Cullen, just because everyone doesn't believe (yes, it's a belief, not scientific fact) like you do is no reason to revoke anything from anyone."

This was signed J. Scott Armstrong. Why not do something to help the energy problems, like alternative fuel, emerging technologies etc.? Cleaner better energy should be good on it's own, and I think close to 100% agree. To try to perpetuate the Global Warming myth to retain grant money (just as bad as Exxon money), political power, and wealth redistribution is just as criminal as anything the skeptics do. The problem with skeptics is they have more scientific facts on their side.

[–] looker05 15 years ago

That's why Al Gore (the Earth's official climatologist and inventor of the internet) won't ever debate Lord Monckton.

[–] shogobob 15 years ago

When does overwhelming scientific consensus from over 30 of the most developed countries on earth = "myth".

[–] jon-gwynne 15 years ago

"consensus" doesn't mean "myth".

"consensus" means "we don't really know so we're going to guess".

Guesswork, even when dressed up as "consensus" doesn't impress me.

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A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow. - David Mamet

[–] gringott 15 years ago

"Achieving consensus requires serious treatment of every group member's considered opinion. Once a decision is made it is important to trust in members' discretion in follow-up action. In the ideal case, those who wish to take up some action want to hear those who oppose it, because they count on the fact that the ensuing debate will improve the consensus."

Overwhelming consensus? Sounds like a railroad to me. The problem with the "greenhouse gas - manmade climate change" crowd is that they have decided that the subject is closed, no new thought is wanted or needed, and if you disagree with them then you are crazy, stupid, or a shill for the oil companies.

The climate change hero, Al Gore:

EDUCATION: St. Alban's Episcopal School for Boys in Washington; Harvard University, B.A. 1969; Vanderbilt School of Religion, 1971-72; Vanderbilt Law School, 1974-76.

Hmmm. Could the School of Religion be where he got his climate change education? He sure did learn how to organize a religion there - the religion of man = bad. While Al wants you to ride a bike, keep your house at 80 in the summer and 60 in the winter; all the while he is riding in a private jet, his giant houseboat, or living in his energy sucking manision. All supported by the sheeple like you. Remember, do as Al says, not as he does. After the "greenhouse gases" facists get control, we will all be equal, except some like Al Gore and Robert Kennedy (private jet, giant limos) Jr. will always be "more equal". Wake up.

[–] PierreIX 15 years ago

Fully agree, thanks for the summary. Had a very similar feeling watching this program - loads of activists, loads of "common sense", but not really much of a science supporting any of it.

The problem is that people simply started to mix two things together - change of climate (global warming, if one wishes) and human influence on it. While most information said about the changes and dangers might be very close to the truth (melting of glaciers, changing of ocean current, sea level change, etc.), the fact that we observe such things does NOT prove that it is a man-made problem. Moreover, it does not in any way suggest that humans can change and/or reverse it. We have to adapt, as we did in the past. That's it - that should be the point of the discussion.

Yes, I agree with a call for higher energy efficiency. Yes, I support energy savings and recycling and stop wasting. Yes, I agree that we are seeing changes in weather patterns. But none of the presented in this program leads me to a belief that humans caused it. What about the Sun cycles? What about the emissions of methane from Siberian permafrost melting each year, which dwarf the man-made CO2 emissions? What about the lack of the strongest GHG (water vapor) in some climate models? (the last one is the second hand knowledge, might not be correct).

Well, mixing the two gives them power to gather money from the gullible ones under the belief of Armageddon. And as always, people will pay - herd behavior. On the other hand, some people's habits are starting to change due to the alarmists. As with any other religion, there seems to be some good in there. Let's just hope that the Gore's inquisition will not stand on my door step in a near future because I do not believe.

[–] CommieTT 15 years ago

J. Scott Armstrong is not a climatologist - not even close! He is Professor of Marketing at the Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania.

And if you didn't notice, one of the running segments in "Everything's Cool" was about alternative fuel - biodiesel.

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