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How did you discover Keats?


I am wondering how people on this board discovered Keats -- through the film, through school, through your own reading?

In my case, I had to read the Romantics in high school and I feel deeply in love with Keats. Some of the things he wrote have become truly central to my life. When I first saw that Campion was making a Keats movie, I couldn't believe my eyes. (I was late coming to this board because I couldn't see the movie til just before it closed. Then I saw it twice. Would have squeezed in a matinee if I'd had the time.)

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I studied Keats in school...I'm trying to think which school, but I believe it would have been University where I was, for a short time, a creative writing major.

Although the entertainment industry has done a great disservice to this splendid film, I predict it will be viewed for many years to come and will always encourage people to fall in love with Keats' poetry. Ben Whishaw is such a dream as he recites; he breathes such life into the work...superior to any other I've heard and I've heard Andrew Motion recite.

"I'd never ask you to trust me. It's the cry of a guilty soul."

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I'm 57 years old and have been entranced, fascinated, and yes, harmlessly obsessed with this lovely poet since I was 12. My father was a high school teacher and had a great respect for fine literature. He taught art, humanities, and was the faculty adviser for both the yearbook and the literary magazine. He was also a functioning alcoholic (sorry, Dad), and one of the things he would do when "overheated" (that's how we would refer to his "condition") was to quote the literature he loved at the top of his voice. This would always occur at night, so it made falling asleep difficult for my mom and my brothers and sister. We heard everyone from Shakespeare to Pound to Eliot to the Bible to Shelley to Byron, and Keats. One night when I was in the 7th grade (and I remember this like it was yesterday), my dad was on a Keats roll and that's all we heard. I remember hearing (what I now know to be)"La Belle Dame sans Merci," "When I Have Fears, "On First Looking into Chapman's Homer," "This Living Hand," "Bright Star," the great odes, and snippets from "The Eve of Saint Agnes," and "Isabella, or the Pot of Basil." But what I remember most was "Ode on a Grecian Urn" and "Ode to a Nightingale." I remember thinking that I didn't know what in the hell those poems were about, but my gosh, who could possibly weave such beautiful tapestries with words?! So, the next morning I asked him about the poet and I remember his exact words: "Some little British kid -- just a boy. Keats. John Keats. Born in 1795 in London and died in 1821 in Rome, one friend shy of dying alone. 25 years old. Just 25 damn years old. A tragedy worthy of Shakespeare. A damn waste." I asked my mom to take me to the library and I checked out the only biography they had -- Amy Lowell's 2 volume set! I read the entire thing and then began working my way through his poetry. It was such an inspiration that when I went off to college, I decided to major in British literature, with a concentration in the Romantic period. The English department, at that time, demanded more specific study, so I chose to concentrate on Keats.

Sorry for the autobiography. . .

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No need to apologize. That is just extraordinary.

In the dark hours of my life, I have found Keats to be my my friend, my comfort, almost my religion.

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Kressie: ". . . my friend, my comfort, my religion." I'm at the computer in my classroom crying over what you wrote (It's a good thing school is over for the day and all the kids have gone home!). Is that sick, or what (my crying, not your words!!!)? What you wrote reminds me of a sentence from one of Keats's letters to Fanny:
"Tonight I will imagine you Venus and
pray, pray, pray to your star like a heathen."

We feel like that about him, don't we? or at least I do.

I believe my husband thinks I'm crazy, and sometimes I suspect he might actually feel a little jealous!
I'm afraid (although not concerned) that many people who read this will agree with him (about the crazy part, obviously!), but, as you well know, once Keats gets "under one's skin," it's impossible to get rid of him, so to speak. That individual becomes, what I like to call, a member of the Inner Sanctum.

I suspect, although I may be incorrect, that noagenda and tigerbos may also be members of this 21st century version of The Keats Circle.

Oh, in defense of my poor, beleagured husband: he's been very supportive of my Keats obsession. He accompanied me 9 of the 11 times I saw Bright Star (yes, as sicko as that comes across, I saw that movie 11 times. I had been waiting 45 years for a Keats movie. Now, if the cast and crew of Bright Star would just film a miniseries for PBS on Keats's entire life, my life will be [almost] complete!!). My husband has also been extraordinarily helpful with my Keats "shrine wall." (Don't laugh. . ., it's true)

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elizabeth-norman, please check your private messages. Thanks!

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How did i discover Keats? ahem back when i was doing my A level back at school, my school chose Keats as the poet to study all year.

Originally I hated it, i guess it's natural for kids to dislike things they have to study...but as the year goes on, I just fell in my love with his work. At that time i found his work inspiring and very relatable to my own life...As a matter of fact, my literature english remarked that i've adopted Keats' style of writing in my own work.

I've endured a great deal of indolence and faced multiple crossroads in my academic career, my life dream has always been make a mark in the world so i can be forever remembered. There's also an aspect of love during my later highschool days...and 'Bright star would i were steadfast as thou art' has always been my fav of his work.

When they first showed this film in my city at the film festival, i was so gutted that i missed it because they only played it in 1 day and i couldn't take time off uni. But now they are finally releasing it publicly and i was so loud when i found out.

Money can't buy love? But love is just around the corner, and my neighborhood is full of prostitute

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:)

last week a friend of mine asked me out on a date, I turned him down saying that it'd never work, he asked me why and I went into much detail.
He responded with a long email which ended with the line "Also, I know I'm no competition for Keats, ya lucky bastard. :P"

You're not alone. I'm crazy, too.

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"Some little British kid -- just a boy. Keats. John Keats. Born in 1795 in London and died in 1821 in Rome, one friend shy of dying alone. 25 years old. Just 25 damn years old. A tragedy worthy of Shakespeare. A damn waste."

And now I'm crying for real.
I'm 23 years old and just a few years short of outliving Keats (I've already outlived Chatterton).

I met Keats when I was 12 years old, I was browsing through a great big anthology of verse and I came across "Ode on a Grecian Urn", I thought it was lovely. But there were so many other lovely poems that I sort of lost Keats in the crowd of new-found poets (from that same anthology I discovered Poe and Noyes and Tennyson and Shelly and Byron and Burns and Donne). Several years later I was taking my first class in college (I was 16) and one of the assigned readings was Keats' "When I have fears". I read it and found I couldn't write an essay about it. It was too beautiful and it said all that needed to be said, I could write pages and pages and end up saying nothing more than "I liked this poem". I fell absolutely in love with Keats and, after I missed a homework assignment and read a big, fat book of Keats' verse instead, I decided to go read a bit about the man himself.
And then I fell even more in love with him.
I have a volume of his complete works that I carry with me almost everywhere I go. A day doesn't pass that I don't read a few lines of his.

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I am unashamed to admit that it was this film that changed my life. Before this film, I had never even heard of Keats. I just happen to seek out Indie films and enjoy period films what with the costumes and such. Also, it was portrayed as being a romance film in a way so I saw it. All I knew was it was about "some poet guy." After the film, as corny as it sounds, I was changed. I began reading so much of Keats and just getting so passionate about his work and trying to find out more about him.

I'm a freshman in college and I'm considering changing my major to English or Creative Writing just because I'm so inspired, and as my English teacher says, a pretty excellent writer. Last week in my Forms of Creative Writing class we were studying Romantic poetry. Part of the homework was to read selected poets/poems and one of them was Keats. The professor only included two poems by Keats though and more by everyone else. This upset me a little bit, although I was thoroughly excited to have Keats somehow relate to my homework.

I read at least one poem by Keats everyday. It keeps me running.

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Seahwkhope,

It keeps me LIVING . . .

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I just wandered through a used bookstore and came across a book of Keats' works and said, "hey, this looks interesting." While I can appreciate poetry, I, like Fanny, have a hard time truly loving it. However, there was something so honest about Keats' writing that I got swept away. He wrote with such maturity and wisdom that it's hard to believe that he died at such a young age. I rarely find that kind of moving poesy in a writer twice his age with many more critical successes during his/her lifetime.

Decorate yourself from the inside out. -Andrei Turnhollow

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I seem to have had a relationship with Keats even before I read him. He's my mother's favourite poet too and whenever he came up in conversation, she'd sigh romantically and say, "Ah, Keats", so I assumed I'd read him long before I actually did. When the day came, it was for an English class and we had to read Ode on a Grecian Urn and Ode to a Nightingale- I was expecting some Rubert Brooke-esque, golden-haired boy-child. Imagine my surprise when it was so much more than that- clear, painful, earnest, desperate, passionate, yearning and more. All it took was those opening lines- "Thou still unravished bride of quietness"- and a love story began that has stayed with me all my life so far (which is admittedly not very long- I'm only 20) and I am sure will continue with me for the rest of it.

I had to stop reading after the first verse, go back and read it aloud, weigh each sound for myself an it was simply perfect. By the time I reached the end of Ode to a Nightingale, I was crying. Even now, all I need is "My heart aches" and tears start up. In class the next day, the teacher asked me to read Ode on a Grecian Urn. I knew I only had one shot at making the rest of my (rather cynical) classmates feel the same way about this as me, so I fixed my eyes on the paper and read slowly, clearly and feelingly- unlike any of us had read in class before. When I finished there was a long silence and I realised everyone had been holding their breath. Eventually someone said "wow" softly and broke the spell- we all laughed a little and started discussing the poem fervently. My teacher gave me a very knowing look- I suspect she knew what she was doing when she asked me to read.

Since then, I've read him much more extensively and am now studying English at Oxford University- in two weeks time, we look at Keats. I feel like my entire career so far has been leading to this point, and I know already that my essay will be a labour of love.

Sorry for the long story- for my money, Keats is the most perfect poet in the English language. Maybe not the greatest, but the most perfect. There is no bad Keats, and at his best he is sublime. As my classroom reading experience taught me.

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Thank you for this very beautiful post, rafaella.

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Rafaella,

I'm old enough to be your mother, but you and I are kindred souls. It's very comforting to me to know that there are others "out there" who feel about this beautiful man and his poetry the way I do. He may have died in Rome, one friend shy of being alone (as my dad put it many, many years ago), in 1821, but to me, he is still very much alive. His poetry, as well as his letters, are so vital and vivid that he seems to have transcended space and time (as trite as that sounds . . . it's true).

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Keats was the first poet to capture my interest in poetry--as I think is the case with many people in the English-speaking countries. I'm happy to see an intelligent discussion of the historical Keats on a "Discussion Board" of the "International Movie Database," which is more often the venue for gossip about the stars of a film. I'm almost afraid to see "Bright Star," since the movies don't have a great track record when it comes to biopics about writers (or artists in general). I would greatly appreciate the feedback of people who both have seen the movie and already know about Keats' life and work, as to whether they think the film has done justice to its subject.

And by the way, if anyone is moved by "Bright Star" to read not only Keats' poetry and letters, but also to find out more about his life, I highly recommend "John Keats," by Walter Jackson Bate, which was first published in 1963, and remains (in my opinion) the best biography of the poet.

Im Arme der Gƶtter wuchs ich groƟ.--Friedrich Hƶlderlin

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Dear dwhw,

I love Keats -- the poet, the letter-writer, the man; however, to save much time and "writing," read my 03rd February posts on this thread for more of the history of my "relationship" with Keats. Anyway, you wanted an opinion about the film, "Bright Star" from the perspective of someone who "knows" Keats (and I certainly don't claim to be an expert!!), so here it goes: I loved it, but to be quite honest with you, I would love most anything that has to do with Keats. The one thing you must remember when you do watch this film is that it's not totally about Keats. It's really more of Fanny's story -- their relationship viewed from her perspective (or rather, how Campion perceived that perspective). I was very satisfied with Whishaw's portrayal of Keats. From a physical approach, he's short enough to play Keats (although not as short as our poet), but not broad-shouldered enough, and his hair is dark brown, as opposed to Keats's auburn shade. However, to me that's not important. What is important is that I believe Whishaw "nailed" Keats's brooding intensity. And most everything he says is taken from letters written by Keats. Campion just puts them in a different context. Also, some of the dialogue from Fanny was actually written by Keats in one or more of his letters. For example, near the end of the film she says to him, "Were we made for this sort of suffering?" As you most likely know, that was a question posed by Keats to Brown in his final (I think) letter to his friend.
Whoops! I have to go -- faculty meeting. I'll try to finish this up later. I hope I've helped some.

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I first discovered Keats when reading Dan Simmons 'Hyperion', where not only is Keats actually a character in it, but there are numerous allusions and references to him in it. It's very much worth reading, and not just because of the Keatsness.

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I discovered Keats during my senior year of high school. I had been aware of him before, confusing him more than once with W.B. Yeats(hey, I was about 10). I re-discovered him a few years later as an English major, while taking a course in 19th and 20th century English Literature.

I'll admit that my poetry tastes have always skewed pre-Romantic and if asked about my favorite poet, I usually alternate between Shakespeare or Donne. But, the real truth is that Keats speaks more deeply to me than any other poet. I think that it has something to do with his language. I am a lover of the English language and how it sounds. I can only think of one other poet that comes close in terms of thrilling me with language and that would be Thomas Hardy.

I was completely gobsmacked when Ben Whishaw started his recitation of "Ode to a Nightingale" over the credits. Not only is it my favorite Keats poem, but hearing those ridiculously beautiful words sent me from tears to huge sobs. I still remember how upset I was when I realized that I had lived longer than Keats had.

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willow chick, I saw you were the first poster on the James Frain board. Did you see him in True Blood?

I'll mourn him to my very marrow. The pity is he will never know how much I will grieve.

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I haven't yet, even though he is one of my favorite actors. I've heard that he's really good in it though. I'll have to catch up with it soon. :)

"Did you know that dolphins are just gay sharks?" - Brittany

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I started reading Keats in the 8th grade. We were assigned to research and write an essay on the poet of our choice, and when I browsed the library I cherry-picked John Keats, not knowing anything about him. Even at 14 I could tell how intensely beautiful his poetry was. The fact that someone so young could put into words a life and a love with that cohesion, that elegance, is mind-blowing. I am 21 and I know for a fact that my writing is cereal box fodder compared to the poetry he wrote when he was younger than me.

"Memories like spies, the salt betrays my eyes again." -Turpentine, Brandi Carlile

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OK, now I'm definitely going to go watch Bright Star from the beginning, and try to change the sound balance on my video monitor--or turn on captioning. I've only seen the last half hour (just yesterday) and I have a hearing defect. The music seemed to swamp the poetry voice-overs, to the point that I couldn't understand the words.

And I have tried reading Keats before without getting very far into a complete works. I read Ode on a Grecian Urn in high school and loved it vivid, compact description. This thread makes me want to try again. Thanks.

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oh there are SO many references to Keats it's not even funny, including Lamia Brawne (I think that is the character's name it's been a long time since I read the Hyperion Cantos)... Fanny Brawn and Lamia one of Keats' poems.

ah Mr. Keats really did have a way with words.. far more sublime than Shelley, though it is through Shelley that I came to Keats, and often my way to the classics, is something modern. in this case, it was a quote from Shelley's "Adonais" which Mick Jagger read at Bryan Jones' funeral.. that is what drew me to Shelley at about 16 and I have loved the later Romantics ever since (I am now 52)

I don't think it matters how we find the greats.. just that we get there and enjoy their works.. curious to see this film

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I got my first Keats book by mistake when wandering along the section of poetry in the bookstore and asking myself what to get. I saw the cover of this Keats bilingual anthology and it ringed a bell, I mistook him for Yeats. Begin to read the book, like one reads those poetry books, that is, occasionally whenever one feels like needing a lyric fix. Then I studied him at school and learned properly why he was such a good poet. But yeah it pretty much confirmed my first impression: Beautiful.

CanĀ“t wait to see the movie.

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I find that I rediscover Keats over and over again. His emotional reach seems to find me whatever I'm going through. I've been rereading him in the last few months, and the copy of his poems that I bought in 1971 is now quite tattered. I'm never finished with a poem; they just get deeper.

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My English teacher was a big fan, and she mentored me when she saw that I had a passion for literature, so we went beyond the syllabus, and she introduced me to lots of stuff she thought I would appreciate.






"I've been turned down more times than the beds at the Holiday Inn; I still try"

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I read poetry early in life, especially anything links to mythology and I found Endymion since I loved Roman and Greek myths. I like the story of Endymion and Selene, which weirdly parallels the lives of Fanny and John...since he dies and goes into a metaphorical sleep, leaving her to deal with being the left muse or goddess of him. Like the moon around a sleeping or dead person, she went into mourning.

My favorite poem of his is Welcome Joy and Welcome Sorrow, I got to study him in high school and college. Really great. He was all about living, even through he died young. Maybe that was the point.

I would say I read Endymion in middle school or even in 4th or 5th grade. I tended to read at a higher level than others in my class.

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He is one of my mum's favourite poets so I was exposed to him a lot at home. I absolutely loved him in junior high, my tastes have changed somewhat now, but I still do like him of course. I just watched the film, really good.

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