pixar is overrated


This movie was awesome. Does anyone else think Pixar is overrated?

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I'm so going to get flamed for this... >_>

While everyone has to admit that their movies are usually always great, I think they are overhyped. I think you could say Pixar is the greatest thing to happen to animated movies, while at the same time the worst thing to happen to animated movies. I know many people will disagree with me entirely, but I have my reasons for saying that.

What happens whenever an animated movie is released and it isn't a Pixar film? Have you read some of the reviews on a place like Rottentomatoes? So many of them will say "It isn't as good as Pixar", "It doesn't have the quality that Pixar has", "While it isn't a Pixar movie...", "I'd rather stick to a Pixar film", etc., and the list goes on. So many people instantly start compare it to Pixar, and if people do that, then obviously they aren't going to like it as well. It isn't a large percentage (I think), but it is still a good number of critics who do just that. I think people are too harsh on some companies; they expect said companies to come up with a story that is Pixar quality, and just not everyone can do that sometimes. It is like a god-given talent; for instance some people can sing extremely well, while others just can't compare.

Whenever I watch a film, no matter what company name is on the posters, I go in with an open mind. I don't care if it is Pixar, DreamWorks, Blue-Sky, etc, I'll go with and I won't begrudge a film because of the company. I wish more critics would be like that.

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thanks for your reply. I was just thinking this because on yahoo's user voted list of the greatest animated films ever, the top three were Bolt, Wall-e, and Up. I just think while all of Pixar's films are very good technically, they also seem to be trying too hard to be family films that appeal to everyone and they end up losing some of the honesty and sincerity that this film and some other Japanese films have. that is all.

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bolt is a rehash of toy story 2. the cat was in the same situation just like jessica (in toy story 2) while bolt is like woody. so bolt is crap. O AMERICAN FILMS ARE ALL SO ALMIGHTY AND GOOD!! ƒUCK YOU!! the next few years they will produce 10 more cartoon crap for you!!

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You do realise that Bolt isn't a Pixar film don't you?

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People nowadays don't understand the beauty of traditional animation. It takes the Spirit Away to make the general public aware of the art of drawing and painting. Still, CGI graphic like Pixar dominated 99% of the animation industry.

Look at The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, the sky is so beautiful that no CGI graphic can successfully express that. It's an art. CGI can be good but it's not an impressionist painting. It's too realistic.

I don't hate Pixar and I don't think they are overrated. Pixar is actually very good with story writing. However, the graphic just too realistic. Modern CGI is all about Disney characters in the real world. There's a lack of imagination.

Movie like Shrek and Avatar are all like that.

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I think Pixar is to animation what MacDonalds is to food - you know exactly what you will get - it will feed you but its hardly great. The worst aspect is the cookie cutter plots - they can be almost interchangeable. Just watch a few Studio Ghibli movies and you will see the plots are damn good and fairly unique and they have a certain magic certain quirks

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That people compare animated films to Pixar films is the *grandest* testament to their quality.

But, of course a movie shouldn't be judged based on what company made it. Although if a company (like Pixar or Studio Ghibli) continuously makes high-quality films, then the company name itself becomes a selling point. "From the makers of Toy Story..." "from the director of Spirited Away", and so on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpXwPdJIOJY
Best thing ever.

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I agree with you!
I think Pixar has given a lot of animated movies something to look up to; great graphics and good stories. But that said I mean 3D animated movies. Pixar is great, they really are and I truly understand the countless comparisons between Pixar and other animated movies.

But if people compare animes with Pixar I would have to protest. It's a very different category. Animes, I think, is something even harder to live up to. Just like The Girl Who Leapt Through Time they have many details, personality and.. yeah, that's the two very important things about animes.
Many 3D animated movies, like Meet the Robinsons, drown in their own animations so that they forget their plot and characters entirely.

I just think that animes deserves a lot more respect than Pixar animated movies; it's hard to explain but it just seems a lot more down to earth (mostly) and hooked to details relating to humans themselves. Animes mainly focus on actual human characters whereas Pixar and a lot of other animated 3D movies keep spitting out new movies with animals or other odd creatures behaving like humans. Animes stick with humans being humans and I love that.
Animes are just.. yeah. Pixar is overrated if compared to anime movies but if compared to other 3D movies I think they are above them in quality.

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I don't believe they are overrated. I do believe that every other animation film (made in the US) suck. I think it's unfair to compare Japanese animation to American animation in terms of storyline, because American Studios do not believe that we are ready to experience the wonderful and strange storylines that Japan has. And when we do get something neat, it barely makes it out alive in the box offices.

One example is Coraline. I thought that was a fantastic animated piece that had a really interesting story. But profit-wise, it didn't do so well.

Pixar is the only animation company that consecutively makes good movies with unique story lines and turns out a profit. I don't think you should consider Pixar 'over-rated' because of that. If anything, you should consider every American animation studio under-developed.

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I think that the main difference between Japanese anime and Pixar/Disney style animation is that the anime, at least the ones I have seen, concentrate on the story and give you "grown up" films which are animated instead of having live actors whereas Pixar/Disney seem to concentrate on making the anmimated characters look as real as possible, rather than concentrating on the story. However, it is true that Pixar/Disney films are made for a very young audience whereas anime usually appeals to a much more adult and mature audience so, I suppose, you pays your money and makes your choice.

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"is that the anime, at least the ones I have seen, concentrate on the story"

That's ballocks, Pixar is obessed with story, they put it before everything

I think everyone on this psot is basicly annoyed that anime goes unrecognised, that's because we live in a close minded commercial world.

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"I think that the main difference between Japanese anime and Pixar/Disney style animation is that the anime, at least the ones I have seen, concentrate on the story and give you "grown up" films which are animated inst visualead of having live actors whereas Pixar/Disney seem to concentrate on making the anmimated characters look as real as possible, rather than concentrating on the story."

I think the more important difference between Japanese anime and Pixar/Disney style animation is that animated media in Japan is so commonplace that it doesn't fall into the very trap this thread describes.
Animation is a style of visual media, it is NOT a genre. If we inverted this, considering Live Action media as a genre, we'd be making comparisons like The Godfather vs Dude, Where's My Car? I think that makes the fallacy of this way of thinking pretty damn clear, yet it's something Western animation (at least in the mainstream) is still mired in.

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Pixar is actually giving traditional Japanese anime credit by showing Totoro as one of the toy in The Toy Story 3.

I believe many Pixar animators are Miyazaki fans.

Seriously, everyone appreciates good art. Even Pixar realizes its art is inferior.

Beside getting paid good money, many Pixar animators probably understand they are producing commercial products.

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That is true. Without John Lasseter how many people in America would ever have heard of Studio Ghibli or Miyazaki? They are responsible for promoting Studio Ghibli films in America, they know the films are the work of geniuses.

As a middle aged person though I just can't watch too many Pixar films that are aimed mostly at very young children -- I like to see stories that are a bit more mature and Japanese animation fits the bill. Even to the point that they will mention topics like menstruation (i.e. Ocean Waves, Only Yesterday) that Disney - Pixar won't touch with a ten foot pole. In fact they won't bring Ghibli films like that to America because Ghibli refuses to excise those scenes and Disney won't promote the films here because of it. When all is said and done America is still a very Puritan minded land, esp. compared to other nations which are much more accepting of basic facts of life.

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Maybe two of Pixar's films (A Bug's Life and Cars) could even have an argument made that they are aimed only at young children. Pixar is the only film company in the United States telling very heartfelt, very true and very mature stories, including all of non-CG media.

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"Even Pixar realizes its art is inferior."

"many Pixar animators probably understand they are producing commercial products."

I'm going to call *beep* on that. Watch the first 30 minutes of Wall-E and tell me Andrew Stanton was creating a commercial product and not art.

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In terms of how movies are animated, Pixar changed everything. Toy Story changed everything. Lasseter is carrying on the tradition that Disney started in animation breakthroughs. Their films are original, heart felt, and technically brilliant. I think the attention they're receiving is well deserved. Also, this movie being awesome has nothing to do with Pixar.

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I think that they are becoming a tad bit over rated, but that isn't going to stop me from seeing their new film Brave.

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Personally, I think that Pixar is rated exactly as they deserve to be--extremely highly. They truly have set standards for CGI filmmaking, and I feel that to call them overrated would be failing to give them their due.

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Pixar is overrated! At least in regards to this movie.

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Whatta ya mean by "in regards to this movie?"

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I mean this movie >>> all pixar animations.

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Oh! I see. I thought this movie was terrific, touching, and well-made, even though I don't share your opinion. It had some truly excellent parts.

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This movie was excellent but I dont agree that Pixar is overrated at all - films like Up or Finding Nemo are just as heartfelt.

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I could not agree more.

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No, I don't.

I'm gonna be completely-honest here, so be prepared: most anime is overrated. I love hand-drawn work as many as your typical enthusiast, but hand-drawn means little when it hacked and rushed for the sake of time and budgets. Plenty of anime does just that, and it looks all-the-more ugly because of it.

Moving on, why are people so stuck-up about CGI and Pixar? There's no rule that states that a good movie can't be made in CGI, I've seen plenty that were imbued with just as much heart as hand-drawn anything. As for Pixar? They might make CGI comedies for the entire family, but here's the thing: they're very good at it. They have the reputation they have because they pour heart and soul into everything they make, even if the movies themselves aren't always so fantastic. And I don't mind their use of CGI because they know how to make good CGI. They actually do experiments with dyes, fish tanks, clothing, glass, etc., just so they can get a sense of how to properly render something on a computer and not rush it out.

Honestly, I don't get why that's so difficult for people to understand. Do I like this movie? Yes, I gave it a 9/10 in my review. But even as it's own movie, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time is still incredibly-simplistic. It's thought-provoking, sure, but I can think of a dozen movies-anime and non-anime alike-that are more complex and rich in subtext than this one.

As for why Pixar constantly gets such praise? Quite frankly, it's because of what I just said. I don't care what you think of them as a company, Pixar is one of the big-three in the animated world that I always keep an eye out for whenever I hear they're making a new movie (the other two being Disney and Studio Ghibli. See? I like anime too.) And there's good reason for that, like I just said. I'm fine with other movies, but none of them scream "INSTANT WATCH!" in the same way that a Pixar movie would.

Seriously though, can we let this dumb argument die already? Even if this is an old thread, I still hear this same sh*t being argued over and over again. It's just tiring, let's enjoy movies! That's what they're there for: to be enjoyed. Is that so hard to do, regardless of their format?

*Ahem* Sorry if I came off like I was attacking you, I've just wanted to get that off my chest for ages...

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Different strokes I guess. I can't remember the last time I liked a Disney movie, the only one I can think is the Lion King from ages back. I find both Studio Ghibli and Pixar movies pretty overrated. Its not that they're not good, its just that they're incredibly tame, and definitely not the OMG must watch level awesomeness. The Girl Who Leapt Through Time was incredibly complex, not in the sense that it uses absurd amounts of incomprehensible symbolism like some David Lynch film sure, but in the way that the film makers so expertly wove the themes of adolescent childhood, friends, love, loss, sacrifice into the film and then doing it in such a natural, charming and heartfelt way. It felt like as if some grand master took these all these timeless human emotions, wove it into this complex story, refined it and refined it until you got TGWLTT. Its almost like an engineer taking a complex problem and working at it until it arrives at a simple but elegant solution. A work of art really.

If you guys believe Pixar and Ghibli can do better, what other films in your opinion would you consider to be better than TGWLTT? I'm abit curious myself.

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I'm not sure what you've seen, nor do I know if I could convince you otherwise. I just stated what I did because I don't consider the medium, format, subject matter or target audience to be an indication of how good something is, or even relevant if it's that good. It's just a frustration I've been meaning to let-out for some time now...

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