I just saw the NC-17 version (on DVD) and was just wondering if there was some actual "penetration" between actors Tony Leung and Wei Tang during the shooting of those steamy scenes? I have to reverse and pause the disc on those scenes; but I'm still not quiet sure. Or are those all Cinematics?
shareI am not sure, but it did look real when she was riding him. You could see his genitals.
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there's an easy way to find out if the sex in a movie is real or not: if you are not sure if it's real or not then it's definitely NOT real and if you are sure that it's real then it's still more often than not not real. you can fake a lot with prosthetics, see "The Brown Bunny", "In the Cut" or "Battle in Heaven".
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Frodo...Brown Bunny was REAL. Not prosthetics.
Why are you in such denial? There are MANY movies that have real sex scenes.
Don't assume I share your predjudices.
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I'm not in denial, what I am saying here is that it's way easier to fake sex than to convince your stars that it's necessary to have intercourse with each other. Also, people love to spread rumours and the real sex rumour is a highly contagious virus. clever filmmakers like Vincent Gallo turn this against the audience and use it for their publicity purposes. Let me tell you, I know for a FACT (that is with 100% certainty) that the blow job in "The Brown Bunny" was done with a fake penis. It was not real, it was a huge PR stunt, it's another example of a movie where people think it's real when it's not. It's probably because we want, we need to believe that in the highly artifical movie world at least the feelings of love and passion can be real.
PS: I saw "Lust, Caution" today and the sex is obviously not real. It's intense, no question about that, on the same level as the opening scene of "Betty Blue", but there's no real penetration involved. The only thing that's explicit here is a pair of testicles.
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The sex in Lust,Caution could very well have been faked, or done with body doubles. I'll admit that.
But Brown Bunny leaves no room for a prosthetic penis (literally no room in his pants, that thing was HUGE)
I have read interviews with Vincent Gallo admitting it was real. Chloe Sevigney(sp?) was dating him at the time, wasn't she? Why would it not have been real?
I don't want to believe that love and passion can be real in the movie world. I just believe that in certain non-porn movies there is real sex involved. It is just a fact.
Nothing better than a well-written, well-plotted movie with a little penetration involved.
But I do agree, in retrospect, that the sex in Lust,Caution was most likely a well-acted farce.
I also admit that I'd like to think of it as real because it excites me.
There. I said it.
Don't assume I share your predjudices.
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In Brown Bunny Vincent Gallo and Chloe Sevigny were actually dating in real life. When the blow job scene was filmed it was filmed in private while being recorded on a camera
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frodo, that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard.
firstly, brown bunny and at very least, the blow job scene in in the cut were real. secondly, just because a director has specifically filmed actual sex doesn't mean that they would necessarily want to show penetration. heaps of art-house releases of the last few years have had actual sex.
The blow job in In the Cut is NOT real. I have the DVD and in the director's commentary she says, quite clearly, that the penis was fake. The blow job was fake. They even talk about the trouble involved in finding a fake penis. It's fake.
"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus
Battle in Heaven, Frodo...the opening fellatio scene was absolutely real.
nope, it's definitely not real, they used prosthetics. it's funny how people automatically think that explicit sex is real, while nobody would ever think that explicit gore should be real too. I think we don't like the whole "fake business" when it comes to the depiction of our sexuality, we want that to be real.
sharefrodo is wrong in his approach to this.
In horror gore movies, when someone is cutting throat or takes out an eye it cannot be real because you can't kill actors. Neither something small like cutting fingers or stabbibing with knife. This cannot be real and viewers know it.
Regarding the sex scenes - in most movies it's just simulated by actors or by body doubles, because having sex in front of the camera can be really embarrassing - sex is a private thing. Most of the actors will not agree to do something like that.
But there is no danger of killing an actor like in gore case, so the comparison between real gore and real sex is incorrect. You cannot compare between them.
In case of Lust, Caution, the sex looks real. Apart from some shots that were filmed from the back and you can't see the faces, I'll say that most of the sex scenes are between the real actors.
The sex scenes are more explicit here than in most of the many movies with fake sex, and I'll say that in situations actors were filmed it is much simpler for them to have a real penetration than simulate it.
You know what I mean? It's not like they are under the sheets, or only upper body is seen. What they are doing on the screen is almost real sex anyway, so how the real penetration is suddenly a big deal? If they both agree to do the sex scene like they do, I don't think they had a problem to do a real penetration for couple of seconds here and there.
What, they are just rubbing each other down there like hell, but real penetration - noooo!
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You have a point there, leeb.
shareThe sex scenes were on a closed set with only the director, camera man, and sound guy(s). I doubt there was penetration. But they did not appear to have any kind of nude clothing or shields. At one point you can clearly see his penis (flaccid) and you can see at least the top part (mons pubis). She is on her back and he is kneeling on the floor I believe. She may have at a small cloth protecting her but you can clearly see he penis is exposed. If his penis was not flaccid then it was bent down and was not penetrating her or in a position to penetrate.
shareI agree, people go crazy when we talk about actual penetration... I mean, they are grown ups with an active seuxal (most of the actors). Maybe not anybody would want to have sex in front of a camera, but some yes. Picture yourself on a bed with a naked chick on you, you are naked too. Would you really care to have a penetration even if there are people around and a camera... You are already naked anyway. I would do it.
shareI think the sex is real in a lot of movies where they let the audience assume it's simulated. Why not? If you're an actor with a gorgeous woman riding naked on top of you, you're bound to get turned on. Would you be fighting to prevent the penis from slipping in? Same with the woman. I'm sure it's easy to get caried away in the moment. You get carried away and it happens. Of course, most times they probably DO control that especially if they have a spouse. I'm just trying to get into the feeling of being in an explicit sex scene and I can easily see it becoming real.
shareI'll say you are a net perv.
You and many others in imdb boards are just miserable pervs who are watching movies mostly because of sex and nude scenes.
Idiots who thinks that because something looks real then it must be a real.
Wishful thinking losers.
And it does not matter a *beep* if Gallo and Sevigny were dating or have been dating before filming Brown Bunny.
They are actors who were playing characters and actors job is to act, actors job in sex scens is to ACT to have sex. Period.
Every director who puts unsimulated sex scene to his movie and every actors who performs scenes like that are disgraces.
Movies like Brown Bunny are just cheap publicity stunts and totally dishonest sensationalist garbage.
Battle In Heaven sex was real. Reygadas has said so, also in his latest Post Tenebras Lux, there's also real sex.
Carlos Reygadas is an arthouse director so he doesn't feel constraint in simulating sex.
I've never believed it when they say they used prosthetics. I always figured they said that just to get people to stop asking them questions about it.
shareIt's not real, yo. They never line up *quite* right, but it's damn close. Sometimes actors/actresses will wear skin-colored thongs to shield themselves so their naked stuffs ain't rubbin on each other, and then the thongs are digitally removed.
anne-marie, do the interns get glocks?
I would say the pause button doesn't lie, as there is DEFINITELY a split second (right after they cut to a soldier walking a dog and cut back) where you see penetration. However, they can do a lot with CGI these days.
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I think it was a stunt double or another couple doing just the riding scene. So then, the other positions were really Tony Leung and Tang Wei.
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